Firearms XII; Because Merica - General

[QUOTE=capgun;48615631]Made a slight oopsy packing up to leave the range today. [t]http://i.imgur.com/38wNsFQ.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/w2v6s1L.jpg[/t] Barrel may have still been a teensy bit hot[/QUOTE] I had never really owned a semiautomatic rifle before my DDM4, so my firearms never really got that hot. When I first took it to the range, I almost put it in the foam case it comes in while leaving. The kid working at the range (he was cool, but he practically disappeared one day) ran in damn near screaming and taught me the ONE WEIRD TRICK of wrapping the handguard/barrel in a paper target before putting it in the case if it's not cool enough. [editline]4th September 2015[/editline] It doesn't help that I have a lightweight barrel.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48606754]A coworker asked me for advice on a CCW. She wears sun dresses frequently and wants a 9mm in a thigh holster. I recommended an LC9. Are there any others I should mention?[/QUOTE] I have a bodyguard I wear in an ankle holster everyday. If you get one without the laser it's even smaller.

I put a universal heat shield on my Remington M10. At first the barrel tab on the left side was blocking the action bar, but while I was moving the pump, the action bar filed the tab enough that it got out of the way... so... victory?

[QUOTE=Jesterr360;48615644]-Post with nothing in it.-[/QUOTE] Thanks for sharing my picture, but why?

What's a good gun to shoot at a range?

[QUOTE=PaperBurrito;48620284]What's a good gun to shoot at a range?[/QUOTE]One that works and isn't a hazard to others or yourself. First time shooter?

[QUOTE=credesniper;48620372]One that works and isn't a hazard to others or yourself. First time shooter?[/QUOTE] No, first time handgun shooter. I know essential safety rules. More specifically I mean handguns.

[QUOTE=PaperBurrito;48620918]No, first time handgun shooter. I know essential safety rules. More specifically I mean handguns.[/QUOTE]If you've already fired rifles and know (it's obvious but needs stating) that different calibers kick harder, start with a 380 or 9 mm. If you're unsure it doesn't hurt to go with a 22. Grip is super important when it comes to handguns, do you have any friends that could teach you?

[QUOTE=credesniper;48620971]If you've already fired rifles and know (it's obvious but needs stating) that different calibers kick harder, start with a 380 or 9 mm. If you're unsure it doesn't hurt to go with a 22. Grip is super important when it comes to handguns, do you have any friends that could teach you?[/QUOTE] Yes, I know people that can teach the proper handgun grip. Thanks for the advice. Any specific examples?

So a few weeks ago I posted about the new Howa 1500 .223 I got with a 20" heavy barrel 1:12" twist and a Nikko-Stirling Gameking 4-16x44 scope, and I said I'd post a range report when I got it out. Well thankfully today I got it out. [t]http://i.imgur.com/92FCdcY.jpg[/t] Now, bear in mind that I suck at shooting. I've come to realize and accept this. This means no dime-sized groups, so if you were hoping for those sorry I suck so much. That'll be my next goal, I was kinda being rushed when doing my 5 shots with various ammo because they wanted to close up the range, so I couldn't really take super long to take the shots. Anyway, breaking it in was a pain in the ass. The first relay I only fired 2 shots, and I only got 4 in the next 2 relays because I had to clean the gun in between each shot. It went a bit faster after that because I could fire 2 shots, but it still took a good 2 hours or so to break it in with 20 shots. I never really realized how dirty a gun can get after only 1 shot. Anyway, surprisingly the gun was on paper at 100 after only boresighting, so it wasn't too hard to adjust it while breaking it in. I broke it in with 50 grain Remington UMC HP. Here's the target of the 20 break-in shots. [t]http://i.imgur.com/6bs60Zc.jpg[/t] You can probably tell where the first 2 shots were, they're the major outliers. First shot was the one top-right. After the break-in I got to shoot 5-shot groups of the various other kinds of ammo I brought, here's that target. [t]http://i.imgur.com/xLCdWit.jpg[/t] The 45gr UMC HP I was actually aiming at the bullseye, so it was still a bit to the right. For the 53gr Hornady V-Max in the top-left I brought it in another 3 clicks to the left and it was shooting pretty much where I was aiming, unless I jerked the trigger, which happened for basically every group here at least once. The 75gr Hornady Super Match in the top-right surprised me. It's keyholing, but still hitting basically where I'm aiming it at 100y. However, I learned that jerking the trigger really accentuates any errors with a keyholing bullet, but I'm just surprised it even hit. Bottom-right is 55gr Remington Core-Lokt. Nothing to write home about, but like I said, I was being rushed. Bottom-left is 55gr Chinese 5.56mm bulk. Noticeable difference in the report of the gun firing this, it was much louder. So I still have at least another 15 rounds of each of these, and another 20 of the 50gr UMC I used to sight it in, so some other day when I'm not being rushed to pack up and go home I'll have to really take my time and line up shots with noticeable things to aim at (aiming at blank space can be hard) and see if I can't shoot better. But as it stands now, I'm confident that this gun is sighted in, and the only problem with my groups is me.

Well guys, last night was the night I had my first gun fuck up and it was almost a bad one. I was so tired from work and I was getting ready to go to a friends house. So I go to pickup my glock because I was about to put it in it's drawer inside the case, I felt the gun slip slightly and my first reaction was to grab it.... I grabbed it, managed to pull the trigger and the gun went off. Shooting a hole through my window, with my gun on the floor. There's a park behind my house with walking trails and luckily enough trees to where the bullet went out my window, clipped the top of my fence and then basically lost it's energy from there. I'm shaking still, I can still hear the ringing in my ears when it gets silent, and I woke up 3 time in the middle of the night almost screaming in terror cause that's all I could think about. I could have killed someone all from this stupid fuck up, or myself, my sister. Anybody... My lesson has been learned. Do NOT make handling your gun a routine process, don't let it become "something you do everyday" every gun, loaded, unloaded or fake is a deadly weapon. I knew this and I fucked up, I became overly confident and cocky thinking it was no big deal. Just picking it up and putting it in a safe place, is still a dangerous thing.

[QUOTE=Zerokateo;48621890]Well guys, last night was the night I had my first gun fuck up and it was almost a bad one. I was so tired from work and I was getting ready to go to a friends house. So I go to pickup my glock because I was about to put it in it's drawer inside the case, I felt the gun slip slightly and my first reaction was to grab it.... I grabbed it, managed to pull the trigger and the gun went off. Shooting a hole through my window, with my gun on the floor. There's a park behind my house with walking trails and luckily enough trees to where the bullet went out my window, clipped the top of my fence and then basically lost it's energy from there. I'm shaking still, I can still hear the ringing in my ears when it gets silent, and I woke up 3 time in the middle of the night almost screaming in terror cause that's all I could think about. I could have killed someone all from this stupid fuck up, or myself, my sister. Anybody... My lesson has been learned. Do NOT make handling your gun a routine process, don't let it become "something you do everyday" every gun, loaded, unloaded or fake is a deadly weapon. I knew this and I fucked up, I became overly confident and cocky thinking it was no big deal. Just picking it up and putting it in a safe place, is still a dangerous thing.[/QUOTE] Or you could just keep your finger off the trigger. I've hear more people recommend that you let a falling gun drop so you don't pull the trigger by accident. At least you're ok and no one got hurt.

[QUOTE=Zerokateo;48621890]Well guys, last night was the night I had my first gun fuck up and it was almost a bad one. I was so tired from work and I was getting ready to go to a friends house. So I go to pickup my glock because I was about to put it in it's drawer inside the case, I felt the gun slip slightly and my first reaction was to grab it.... I grabbed it, managed to pull the trigger and the gun went off. Shooting a hole through my window, with my gun on the floor. There's a park behind my house with walking trails and luckily enough trees to where the bullet went out my window, clipped the top of my fence and then basically lost it's energy from there. I'm shaking still, I can still hear the ringing in my ears when it gets silent, and I woke up 3 time in the middle of the night almost screaming in terror cause that's all I could think about. I could have killed someone all from this stupid fuck up, or myself, my sister. Anybody... My lesson has been learned. Do NOT make handling your gun a routine process, don't let it become "something you do everyday" every gun, loaded, unloaded or fake is a deadly weapon. I knew this and I fucked up, I became overly confident and cocky thinking it was no big deal. Just picking it up and putting it in a safe place, is still a dangerous thing.[/QUOTE] It can happen to anyone. Just learn from it and move on.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48622213]It can happen to anyone. Just learn from it and move on.[/QUOTE] That's my plan, I'm already accepting the fact that it happened and that it's done and over and nobody is hurt. It's the only way to really accept something like this. [QUOTE=MAC21500;48622080]Or you could just keep your finger off the trigger. I've hear more people recommend that you let a falling gun drop so you don't pull the trigger by accident. At least you're ok and no one got hurt.[/QUOTE] Finger was off the trigger, I had it resting on the side of the trigger guard. Also yeah I realized after it went off and flew out of my hand that I should have let it drop. And it's not the first time the gun has been bumped off something or dropped, but it was the first time I tried to catch it.

Well lads, had my first handgun experienced and it was fun! Purchased 100 rounds, rented a little Luger that looked like something out of a spy movie, and managed to hit the target 9 out of 10 times. I guess all those videogames do help. And pulling the slide for the first time was fun.

[QUOTE=Zerokateo;48622256]That's my plan, I'm already accepting the fact that it happened and that it's done and over and nobody is hurt. It's the only way to really accept something like this. Finger was off the trigger, I had it resting on the side of the trigger guard. Also yeah I realized after it went off and flew out of my hand that I should have let it drop. And it's not the first time the gun has been bumped off something or dropped, but it was the first time I tried to catch it.[/QUOTE] This is kind of the reason I don't agree with the trigger safety concept, it assumes anyone handling the gun is 100% accident-free, which isn't really possible. I will never own a handgun without a separate safety lever. [editline]5th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=PaperBurrito;48622291]Well lads, had my first handgun experienced and it was fun! Purchased 100 rounds, rented a little Luger that looked like something out of a spy movie, and managed to hit the target 9 out of 10 times. I guess all those videogames do help. And pulling the slide for the first time was fun.[/QUOTE] Was it a Luger or a Ruger? :v:

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48622518] [editline]5th September 2015[/editline] Was it a Luger or a Ruger? :v:[/QUOTE] Well it had a little coat of arms on the grip and a big barrel that stuck way out I assume a Luger Edit: okay shit it was a ruger, didn't know they were separate entities [IMG]http://www.bobsga.com/newguns/hand/pistol/photos/Ruger%20MKIII%2022LR%20Target%206-78%20$359.00.jpg[/IMG] it was way older though, looked like it was 40 years old

Ruger's MkI-III series mimics the feel and aim point of the Luger, but is more... practical. I enjoyed shooting the one they had on my local range. They've been in production for a long time, so you probably shot a MkI. [img]http://i.imgur.com/XsrEr2F.jpg[/img] If they would make them in 9 or 380 I would buy one.

[QUOTE=mastermaul;48615683]I had never really owned a semiautomatic rifle before my DDM4, so my firearms never really got that hot. When I first took it to the range, I almost put it in the foam case it comes in while leaving. The kid working at the range (he was cool, but he practically disappeared one day) ran in damn near screaming and taught me the ONE WEIRD TRICK of wrapping the handguard/barrel in a paper target before putting it in the case if it's not cool enough. [editline]4th September 2015[/editline] It doesn't help that I have a lightweight barrel.[/QUOTE] My first semiauto too. Solid idea with the target, i'll have to remember that next time It probably didn't help that the last thing I did before casing was going through a full mag of 30 without pause.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48622630] If they would make them in 9 or 380 I would buy one.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately the action ultra is weak. It might be able to do a 25acp or even 32acp. It's just that the spring weight would make it difficult to rack the gun. And all the custom machining, parts replacement and mags to be made for it. I would still want one. Even if I had to send in my own gun to have it done.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48622630]Ruger's MkI-III series mimics the feel and aim point of the Luger, but is more... practical. I enjoyed shooting the one they had on my local range. They've been in production for a long time, so you probably shot a MkI. [img]http://i.imgur.com/XsrEr2F.jpg[/img] If they would make them in 9 or 380 I would buy one.[/QUOTE] It's actually more inspired by the Nambu than the Luger. [editline]5th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48622754]breaking in is a myth spread by barrel/gun care manufacturers. why did you waste your time? [editline]6th September 2015[/editline] not to be a dick or anything, but there is literally no proof that "breakin in" has any benefits all it does it waste time, ammo, and oil. a copper brush doesn't remove burrs in steel[/QUOTE] Because I've never bought a new rifle and the manual told me to break it in like that, so I did. Was it a pain in the ass? Yes. But if it says to do it, it doesn't really hurt to do it. It's a pain in the ass once, and then I never have to do it again. Also the manual said specifically not to use a brush, just solvent-soaked patches. Now that it's over, though, next time I'm out I can focus more on shooting accurately and leave the cleaning to my boresnake.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48622754]breaking in is a myth spread by barrel/gun care manufacturers. why did you waste your time? [editline]6th September 2015[/editline] not to be a dick or anything, but there is literally no proof that "breakin in" has any benefits all it does it waste time, ammo, and oil. a copper brush doesn't remove burrs in steel[/QUOTE] For me, breaking in a gun involves just shooting it. I don't bother with the rituals that some people do to a new gun or barrel. It makes me cringe sometimes to hear what they do.

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;48622805]For me, breaking in a gun involves just shooting it. I don't bother with the rituals that some people do to a new gun or barrel. It makes me cringe sometimes to hear what they do.[/QUOTE] Guy at a range I used to frequent broke in his new long distance target rifle by firing one shot, vigorously cleaning the bore using a special bore brush with an attached centering tool, then repeat, for 50 shots. Took him all day.

[QUOTE=download;48622981]Guy at a range I used to frequent broke in his new long distance target rifle by firing one shot, vigorously cleaning the bore using a special bore brush with an attached centering tool, then repeat, for 50 shots. Took him all day.[/QUOTE] Funny, I've never heard of this practice before. The break in would probably be from the fresh rifling being worn in slightly with some potential burrs being blown off. Just shooting it is enough for that. Plus, the manual for my Marlin 795 specifically says to NOT clean the barrel very often as it apparently reaches best accuracy after 100-200 rounds. It's also common practice for people to clean their guns then fire a few to get some fouling in there to create a consistent environment in the barrel before a competition.

My Howa's manual said to use "a patch soaked in an ammonia-based cleaner" and run patches after every shot until they come back clean then run a dry patch for the first 10, then after every 2 shots for the next 10. I decided to soak a patch in Hoppes 9 (no idea if it's got any ammonia, don't really care either), pull it through twice, then run a dry patch every shot for the first 10, then every 2 for the next 10, sighting it in as I went.

I 'broke in' my AR-15 by running 120 rounds of Tula through it and then hosing it down with CLP. Works fine.

My AR, since it was Chinese and bought "unfired" secondhand I had no idea about break-ins at all, so I pumped 160 rounds of Chinese 5.56 out of it and got it "sighted" the first time out. Today we got it more properly sighted, so that you can actually aim at a target at 100yds with the irons and hit it.

[QUOTE=PaperBurrito;48621247]Yes, I know people that can teach the proper handgun grip. Thanks for the advice. Any specific examples?[/QUOTE] I always mix these up so I'm sure your friend, [B]or someone else in the thread can correct me[/B]. Your hand holding the gun uses 40% of total strength, the hand holding your other hand holds 60%. Your grip should be firm, but not shaking the gun with how tight it is. When shooting a pistol, after the trigger has traveled all the way back,s lowly let it forward and wait for the 'click' which is the reset. Those are the two biggest things that have improved my pistol shooting.

[QUOTE=credesniper;48623597]When shooting a pistol, after the trigger has traveled all the way back,s lowly let it forward and wait for the 'click' which is the reset. Those are the two biggest things that have improved my pistol shooting.[/QUOTE] Doing that with any semi-automatic weapon will improve your performance. That's how I went from getting 23 out of 40 to 35 out of 40 on weapons qualification.

So I think I figured out why my rifle wasn't chambering rounds after firing, it's the magazine lever, it's just a tad bit too small and allows my magazine wiggle room up and down, so when the rifle fires, the magazine moves down a bit which fucks with the bolt putting the next round in, either not trying to chamber the round at all or making the rounds stove pipe inside the magazine. Learning through baby steps. Edit: Actually thinking about it, maybe I could fix this through using the trigger guard rivet jig I have and smash them down a little more? Edit2: Better yet found an even more brilliant fix. Just need to cut out my trigger guard near the front, grind down the selector stop plate, and my mags should sit perfectly fine.