Firearms XII; Because Merica - General

[t]http://i.imgur.com/n2cfHi2.jpg[/t] Yeah It's uhhh very bare..but I like it! Also my friend's low-wall Mosin

Me and a couple of friends have almost finished making our own shooting range. Here is some footage from the test shooting: [video=youtube_share;ctxAob36fD0]http://youtu.be/ctxAob36fD0[/video]

So I'm debating placing an order for a Remington Versamax Sportsman on the weekend since I can get mad retailer discounts on it through the importer. Aside from it being a Remington, anybody heard anything about it? I was doing some looking and people are saying it really does cycle everything, even the shittiest target load.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;48955049]So I'm debating placing an order for a Remington Versamax Sportsman on the weekend since I can get mad retailer discounts on it through the importer. Aside from it being a Remington, anybody heard anything about it? I was doing some looking and people are saying it really does cycle everything, even the shittiest target load.[/QUOTE] The Versamax is pretty rock solid, and I've seen it cycle Fiochhi low brass. If it's for a good price I'd hop on it.

Most combos I have seen have a cantilever rail for a scope, or a front sight and rear notch. Never seen a slug barrel with just a bead sight.

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;48959091]Most combos I have seen have a cantilever rail for a scope, or a front sight and rear notch. Never seen a slug barrel with just a bead sight.[/QUOTE] My 1100 had just a bead.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48959640]It's not a slug-only barrel, it's just 46cm (18in) with fixed cylinder choke. I'll use it for both slugs and coarse birdshot for deer, and buckshot for fun brenneke slugs are apparently very accurate in it. I might get a rifled barrel for it at some point too.. [editline]22nd October 2015[/editline] I handled a long-barrel SXP as I ordered the combo, btw. Very slick action that locked up really nice. Stoked![/QUOTE] Coarse birdshot for deer? Why the shit would you use any birdshot on deer when you have slugs and buckshot?

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48959640]I'll use it for both slugs and coarse birdshot for deer, and buckshot for fun[/QUOTE] Major ethical issues with that. Why even bother? You aren't going to have a snowballs chance in hell to humanely kill something at 90+lbs with shot under BBB. Hell, even light buckshot loads are questionable.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48960131]rådyr[/QUOTE] Huh. I plugged that into google, and got this: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_deer[/url] Interesting.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48960238]I even have some 12/70 shells marked by a Norwegian store for "rådyr & rev" - "roe deer and fox". #2 lead shot. [editline]22nd October 2015[/editline] Yeah, Psychokitten, exactly those! In Norway, we have five deer species that are huntable: Europeisk rådyr - roe deer (Capreolus capreolus) Dåhjort - fallow deer (Dama dama) Rein - Norwegian reindeer (Rangifer tarandus tarandus) Hjort - red deer (Cervus elaphus) Elg - elk (Alces alces) The rådyr is huntable with shotgun first in the season, then rifle. The rest are only huntable with rifles. Ammo has to fulfill certain velocity/energy requirements to be legal to use.[/QUOTE] Interesting. I am just used to shooting bird shot out of a improved/modified choke for ducks. I wouldn't have imagined that BB coming out of a cylindrical would be effective at any range on medium-sized game.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48960238]Rein - Norwegian reindeer (Rangifer tarandus tarandus)[/QUOTE] We call reindeer "caribou" over here. Dunno why we say reindeer when we're talking about Santa's sleigh. Maybe so kids won't get upset when their dads take them caribou hunting.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48960131]BB birdshot (4,1mm) is the most popular deer shotgun round here, go figure.. both before, when, and after lead was banned. Slugs is usually a bit too much on the small Norwegian deer (Capreolus capreolus), as they are much, much smaller than the American white-tails (Odocoileus virginianus). Buckshot hasn't been very popular here. They're mostly used for lynx or wolverines. It's not accurate enough for Norwegian deer hunting ranges, and as with slugs, they're just a bit too overpowered when BB birdshot takes them down fine every time. No need to shoot straight through the poor thing when 4,1mm BB is already plenty enough. [editline]22nd October 2015[/editline] Again, Norwegian "deer" (rådyr) are much smaller than what you guys call deer. Rådyr are 33-77lbs usually according to Wikipedia, whitetails are 100+, often around 150..[/QUOTE] buckshot is more accurate at longer ranges than birdshot

you guys must be using turkey guns or something then. roe deer barely get bigger than a dog so using birdshot sort of makes sense. using .223 would make more sense though

we don't have rifle season and shotgun season, we have firearm season and primitive weapon season (which includes muzzle loading weapons). all the in and around town hunting is done with bow and arrows.

Actually, some places (Illinois) have a shotgun season. Florida, my state, has bow, muzzle, and general gun (all gun), in that order. But the only time anyone would use shotgun during general gun are in densely wooded areas, using buckshot. Other than that, it stays pretty much exclusively within shotgun seasons, as I am sure it does in Norway.

In Ontario we have bow season (the longest, includes crossbows), muzzleloader season (a week longer than 'rifle' season and overlaps with it), and 'rifle' season (though it could more accurately be called centrefire season), which is 1 or 2 weeks that you can shoot deer with a rifle or shotgun, depending on the calibre restrictions in the Wildlife Management Unit you're hunting in.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48960131]BB birdshot (4,1mm) is the most popular deer shotgun round here, go figure.. both before, when, and after lead was banned. Slugs is usually a bit too much on the small Norwegian deer (Capreolus capreolus), as they are much, much smaller than the American white-tails (Odocoileus virginianus). Buckshot hasn't been very popular here. They're mostly used for lynx or wolverines. It's not accurate enough for Norwegian deer hunting ranges, and as with slugs, they're just a bit too overpowered when BB birdshot takes them down fine every time. No need to shoot straight through the poor thing when 4,1mm BB is already plenty enough. [editline]22nd October 2015[/editline] Again, Norwegian "deer" (rådyr) are much smaller than what you guys call deer. Rådyr are 33-77lbs usually according to Wikipedia, whitetails are 100+, often around 150..[/QUOTE] So a rifle in .223 would be overkill on that species. Is this a correct assumption? By the way, what are the normal distances for hunting those deer? With the birdshot, it sounds almost at the same range for turkeys here (25m-40m).

Hearing Protection Act introduced: [url]http://www.guns.com/2015/10/22/bill-introduced-to-remove-suppressors-from-nfa-regulation/[/url]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;48962185]Hearing Protection Act introduced: [url]http://www.guns.com/2015/10/22/bill-introduced-to-remove-suppressors-from-nfa-regulation/[/url][/QUOTE] I'll take 10. One in every caliber I own and will own.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;48962185]Hearing Protection Act introduced: [url]http://www.guns.com/2015/10/22/bill-introduced-to-remove-suppressors-from-nfa-regulation/[/url][/QUOTE] How I only wish we could accomplish this here, but at this rate we'll be lucky to not see things get worse by 2019.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48962351]now you're only 40 years behind norwegian suppressor legislation ;^)[/QUOTE] Are yours over-the-counter essentially? What is the price that you end up paying for something in the hunting rifle range of calibers?

suppressors shouldn't be firearms at all. they shouldn't be any different than any other muzzle device.

[QUOTE=butre;48963615]suppressors shouldn't be firearms at all. they shouldn't be any different than any other muzzle device.[/QUOTE] Well that's the funny thing under US Law they're not considered firearms, Just NFA Items. That's why you don't need to notify the ATF when crossing state lines with them, unlike Machine Guns/SBR/SBS/AOW's.

I gots me a suppressor before I gots me a firearm. laws are funny.

This is a good stepping stone. Saying all or nothing off the bat just means you'll get nothing. Slowly chip away at the regulations until you achieve your end goal.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48964166]yes, they are literally over the counter. find or ask for the model, cal, threads you want and pay for it. not registered, no need to prove you have a gun. a-tec maxim, a pretty okay hunting model available from .22 up to 9,3mm, cost around 275-300 dollars depending on the store. a-tec tmm4 which is one of the biggest from a-tec is around 360 dollars you also have Sonic and Hausken, first is a cheapo brand while the second is more expensive. the most sold one is a-tec since they're cheaper, more durable, modular, and you can disassemble them for cleaning, unlike hausken which are sealed one-piece designs. [editline]23rd October 2015[/editline] my rimfire can (a-tec cmm4 rimfire) cost me 50 bucks[/QUOTE] This is the most glorious and optimistic thing I have read all day. Thank you for giving me hope...

[img]http://i.imgur.com/v4xlPFs.png[/img] Is this giant hole in my MP15's forend for a QD sling swivel?

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48969122][img]http://i.imgur.com/v4xlPFs.png[/img] Is this giant hole in my MP15's forend for a QD sling swivel?[/QUOTE] Yes. Haven't QD's fallen out of vogue for now?

I just want a swivel on it. It didn't ship with one and I'd rather use preexisting hardware than add more bullshit to the rail I don't even really want. :v: Thanks.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48969131]I just want a swivel on it. It didn't ship with one and I'd rather use preexisting hardware than add more bullshit to the rail I don't even really want. :v: Thanks.[/QUOTE] Just be sure it works with the QD you wish to use. Some built-in QD's may not like certain QD holes.