Would you guys say a metal lathe or a mill is more important for gunsmithing?
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;49018841]Would you guys say a metal lathe or a mill is more important for gunsmithing?[/QUOTE]
Depends on what your focus is. The lathe is great for barrels, cylinder receivers, and the like. The mill is great for manufacturing spare parts and more odd receivers.
My pick would be the mill though. More uses for it if you start doing parts kits, drilling and tapping, or 80% builds.
Lathe for barrel chops, threading, or rechambering.
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[QUOTE=ultra_bright;49018841]Would you guys say a metal lathe or a mill is more important for gunsmithing?[/QUOTE]
Depends on what type of gunsmithing you're looking at.
Lathe for barrels and suppressors, mill for everything else.
If you get a 4 axis mill there will be a few things it can do that are normally reserved for a lathe.
[QUOTE=download;49019141]Depends on what type of gunsmithing you're looking at.
Lathe for barrels and suppressors, mill for everything else.
If you get a 4 axis mill there will be a few things it can do that are normally reserved for a lathe.[/QUOTE]
ehhhh from what I've read it's a lot harder to convert a mill to a lathe when you can convert a lathe into a mill with one attachment.
[url]http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1681[/url]
I mean a lathe is basically a mill without one axis flipped on its side.
If I had the money I'd go all out and get a 5 axis CNC machine....maybe when I win the lottery. There's a 7x12 inch mini lathe going on sale at a local auto shop for $699, I thought I'd buy the one tool I've always been missing.
Maybe if I get good enough with it I'd make you guys some parts and attachments.
The red text on the gun looks rather silly to e honest.
Winchester has used Super for years for their shotgun lines though, I thought?
I've never been a big Winny fan for their shotguns, personally. I've fallen in love with my wingmaster 16 ga and I don't think there's many that will take its place. My old Winchester is clunkier and with a fixed modified choke I never use it for much of anything, but it's also a hand-me-down from my Great-grandfather to my Dad and hasn't been as taken care of.
Buy that Sig for me.
Winchester no long makes firearms. They license the name out and charge a higher premium for the rifles, and have been mostly eclipsed in the shotgun market by Mossberg, Remington (for pumps/semi autos) and Beretta, CZ (double barrels). So they have a cheap shotgun with their name on it to keep itself in firearms existence. Their ammo is ok.
If I ever get a winchester, it would have to be a levegun with the 20" barral and tube. That or the takedown version. They rest can be replaced with other manufacturers.
I'm starting to really crave a SPAS-12.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49021098]I'm starting to really crave a SPAS-12.[/QUOTE]
A guy on another forum I frequent was trying to sell one for a few months. Dropped his price all the way from $2100 to $1750. No one bought it. I think it didn't sell because it had the older lever safety that wasn't very good.
I have enough cash to buy one right now, but I'm probably going to buy a classic car instead. The safety lever wouldn't put me off. What's wrong with a little full-auto ND magdump once in a while?
I could probably trade my C96 for one. I love that gun though I have nightmares about bad things happening to it. I'm so paranoid about it rusting.
Man, talking about SPAS's, my friends dad owns a SPAS-12 with the folding stock.
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I've never had the opportunity to handle one. Aesthetically I prefer the solid stock but if I were actually buying one I'd look for a folding stock (with the hook) since it's one of the platform's famous gimmicks.
There's a guy who comes to our shop who probably at one point in time owned the most SPAS-12's of any lone individual. They're quite honestly shit guns, but people love them anyway.
people always talk about how heavy a spas 12 is but they're really not that bad. they're a fair bit under 9 pounds. it's lighter than an Auto-5, only a couple ounces heavier than a Benelli M4, only about a pound heavier than modern semi-autos like a Mossberg 930 or a Saiga-12
nobody complains about the weight of a decked out AR-15 with aluminum quads and a heavy profile barrel, but that would weigh about the same.
[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49018416]is this serious or not[/QUOTE]
duh, What do you think would happen after the space race? Space war. Soviets and Americans both have some hilarious designs for space-infantry weapons.
[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49018416]is this serious or not[/QUOTE]
there was a whole lot of fear of a war in space during and after the space race. it's why we have things like the gyrojet, for some reason people thought gunpowder might not work in space.
[QUOTE=butre;49021722]people always talk about how heavy a spas 12 is but they're really not that bad. they're a fair bit under 9 pounds. it's lighter than an Auto-5, only a couple ounces heavier than a Benelli M4, only about a pound heavier than modern semi-autos like a Mossberg 930 or a Saiga-12
nobody complains about the weight of a decked out AR-15 with aluminum quads and a heavy profile barrel, but that would weigh about the same.[/QUOTE]
You have never had a Mossberg or Saiga have you. The Spas is too heavy for what it is. A crappy shotgun. The Mossbergs with mag extensions and Saigas come in just below 8lbs. Same with Remingtons. At least the Mossberg is a 1/4 to a 1/3 of the price of a SPAS 12. Only reason people love it is because of Hollywood. The place where all the gun banners get their quality information.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;48997344]honestly the thing that gave it away the most was the magazine. Theres roughly 6 trillion AK74 magazines on the planet, and a couple in space, no way in hell anyone would bother designing a new one.[/QUOTE]
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This is supposedly part of a patent document for new AK-12/AK-74M magazines. They look like they've taken some cues from Magpul.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49022099]When will people realize that the mag coupling knobs are totally useless in that shape? they take up so ridiculously much space in mag pouches[/QUOTE]
also an easy way to fuck up the feed lips on a magazine when you inevitably knock it against something.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;49021897]You have never had a Mossberg or Saiga have you. The Spas is too heavy for what it is. A crappy shotgun. The Mossbergs with mag extensions and Saigas come in just below 8lbs. Same with Remingtons. At least the Mossberg is a 1/4 to a 1/3 of the price of a SPAS 12. Only reason people love it is because of Hollywood. The place where all the gun banners get their quality information.[/QUOTE]
I just think they're neat. There are plenty of more practical handguns for less than what I paid for my C96 but I liked it enough for the story and character of the gun that I paid $1000 for it.
If I get that kind of deal on a SPAS-12, I'll jump on it. It's a neat looking shotgun with a couple of fun gimmicks and an attitude that a Mossberg can't ever hope to have regardless of its price. I'm a hobbyist, not a hunter or self defense aficionado. I'm allowed to buy stuff just because.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49022099]When will people realize that the mag coupling knobs are totally useless in that shape? they take up so ridiculously much space in mag pouches[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Who needs that when all you need is duct tape and maybe something to space them out?
Or better yet, learn to change magazines like a normal person :v:
Just removed the rubber recoil buffer from my C93 folding stock. It should feel better now that the rubber is not interfering with the carrier buffer. It looks like they removed and threw away the Choate mount and used a surplus HK stock mount. At least this stock won't break as much as the reviews say.
I didn't realize Mossberg sold a 20GA semi-automatic shotgun. SA-20 I just read about it in a magazine. That's badass.
I'm thinking I may try to find one for my Mom. She can't handle 12GA but 20GA is good-to-go and the operation of semi-shotgun is easier if you ask me. Just keep it loaded, rack the bolt and shoot it as opposed to trying to explain to her how to unlock the pump on a conventional shotgun.
It also looks like a fun gun to shoot. Because it's a semi-automatic shotgun and shit.
Either that or a Mossberg 500 chambered in .410 but than I run into the issue of trying to explain how to unlock the slide again.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49025721]I didn't realize Mossberg sold a 20GA semi-automatic shotgun. SA-20 I just read about it in a magazine. That's badass.
I'm thinking I may try to find one for my Mom. She can't handle 12GA but 20GA is good-to-go and the operation of semi-shotgun is easier if you ask me. Just keep it loaded, rack the bolt and shoot it as opposed to trying to explain to her how to unlock the pump on a conventional shotgun.
It also looks like a fun gun to shoot. Because it's a semi-automatic shotgun and shit.
Either that or a Mossberg 500 chambered in .410 but than I run into the issue of trying to explain how to unlock the slide again.[/QUOTE]
The SA-20 is beh at best, it's just a template gun made in Turkey that's used by a lot of brands.
If you're worried about recoil just get a 500 in 20ga or get a 12ga and put a knoxx stock on it. That stock takes the punt out of 3" magnums and makes bird shot feel like a .22
I really want a short-version M1A now for some reason.
I guess the idea of something that I can both clear rooms and kill at 500 meters with just appeals to me.
EDIT: Can anyone here tell me if/why it's a bad idea?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49028012]I really want a short-version M1A now for some reason.
I guess the idea of something that I can both clear rooms and kill at 500 meters with just appeals to me.
EDIT: Can anyone here tell me if/why it's a bad idea?[/QUOTE]
Even with the chopped barrel and polymer stock, they're still pretty damned heavy. If you want a room clearing gun, look at the PTR91 PDW. Cheaper than an M1A, cheaper magazines, cheaper aftermarket, and a hell of a lot more fun.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49028171]Even with the chopped barrel and polymer stock, they're still pretty damned heavy. If you want a room clearing gun, look at the PTR91 PDW. Cheaper than an M1A, cheaper magazines, cheaper aftermarket, and a hell of a lot more fun.[/QUOTE]
Uh
where's the stock?
EDIT: nvm, found the stocked versions. Too bad they're mostly out of stock (hue).
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