[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49028454]The PTR91 PDW is like 50 shades of retarded. The barrel travel length is like almost the same as the OAL of the cartridge. Not even any point aside of "lol look at the muzzle blast of this Barnaul .308".[/QUOTE]
I'm still cracking up about the lack of a stock. Who the fuck does that? I can understand the desire for reducing the length, but come on. You're not gonna hit shit past 100 meters without a fucking stock. That right there is a deal killer.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49028171]Even with the chopped barrel and polymer stock, they're still pretty damned heavy. If you want a room clearing gun, look at the PTR91 PDW. Cheaper than an M1A, cheaper magazines, cheaper aftermarket, and a hell of a lot more fun.[/QUOTE]
SOCOM II with all the rails is heavy as hell. SOCOM 16 with just the scout scope rail is pretty handy.
Tossed my East German stock set on my PSA
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/v9j8hpB.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49028805]The handguard looks full retard as well.
I could love a G3KA4 but that's the shortest I would go.
Any lesss and I'd prefer a HK53
Am I mentally stunted or is that an RPK mag? Looks incredibly long.
Neat AK either way.[/QUOTE]
You are not wrong, it's a 40 rounder!
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49028534]I'm still cracking up about the lack of a stock. Who the fuck does that? I can understand the desire for reducing the length, but come on. You're not gonna hit shit past 100 meters without a fucking stock. That right there is a deal killer.[/QUOTE]
SBR laws. If it has a stock and a short barrel, it's an SBR. Without one, it's a pistol and can be sold legally without any extra paperwork.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49028983]SBR laws. If it has a stock and a short barrel, it's an SBR. Without one, it's a pistol and can be sold legally without any extra paperwork.[/QUOTE]
Still not gonna hit shit.
Deal-breaker for me.
You can put a stock on it yourself by contacting the ATF and letting them extort you. That's the point.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49029015]Still not gonna hit shit.
Deal-breaker for me.[/QUOTE]
I think that's the point for PDW's, they're meant for very close range.
Really though, stock or not, you should still be able to use it at range O.K. especially something as short as 100 meters.
Also, what situation would you really be in, here in the US, where you would have to shoot at someone past 100 meters anyways? Most instances of self defense are all pretty much within point blank range or across a gas station store/parking lot.
I mean, I myself don't find a point in a .308 caliber PDW, since I can't see myself carrying one around on my body, maybe in my trunk, but then I might as well get a full-sized rifle.
Also, what are peoples thoughts on the Canik TP9?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49028012]I really want a short-version M1A now for some reason.
I guess the idea of something that I can both clear rooms and kill at 500 meters with just appeals to me.
EDIT: Can anyone here tell me if/why it's a bad idea?[/QUOTE]
Get a SCAR-17S, much lighter and has a folding stock.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;49029611]Get a SCAR-17S, much lighter and has a folding stock.[/QUOTE]
It's also a fuck ton more. You can get a SOCOM for about $1,700 Where a SCAR 17 is going to run you at least $2,950. Not to mention the weight difference is just a hair over half a pound between the two and there's a metric fuck ton of options when it comes to stocks for the M1A.
[QUOTE=NateLB;49029286]
Also, what are peoples thoughts on the Canik TP9?[/QUOTE]
If it's the original, it has heavy trigger, but DA action. Has built in decocker. For the price, it is the best deal for a combat handgun. The SA version is dumb.
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;49028718]Tossed my East German stock set on my PSA
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/v9j8hpB.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Fucking gorgeous
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49029970]It's also a fuck ton more. You can get a SOCOM for about $1,700 Where a SCAR 17 is going to run you at least $2,950. Not to mention the weight difference is just a hair over half a pound between the two and there's a metric fuck ton of options when it comes to stocks for the M1A.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but remember what I said about my M14 EBR; drop $800 on a stock kit and your $1700 rifle now costs $2500 just to get it a pistol grip and collapsible stock with adjustable cheek rest or even a side folding or M4 style stock and that adds more weight before optics. Sure, magazines are more plentiful and only cost $25 instead of $45 for FN mags (unless you drop cash on the Handl Defense lower to be able to use .308 PMAGS).
By the way, just ran a search on SCAR 17S and Buds had three for $2500-2700.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;49029987]If it's the original, it has heavy trigger, but DA action. Has built in decocker. For the price, it is the best deal for a combat handgun. The SA version is dumb.[/QUOTE]
I see it around the $289-$321 price mark, and it looks like it comes with it's own holster, how good is said holster? I can't seem to find reviews on the holster it comes with.
I'm thinking of picking it up just because of the price, it looks like a walther P99 to me
[QUOTE=NateLB;49030190]I see it around the $289-$321 price mark, and it looks like it comes with it's own holster, how good is said holster? I can't seem to find reviews on the holster it comes with.
I'm thinking of picking it up just because of the price, it looks like a walther P99 to me[/QUOTE]
It's basically a P99, takes the same mags too. Holster is like all included holsters. Crappy, but will serve in a pinch but don't depend on it. So buy a better holster. I still say avoid the SA version. Having a decocker with the SA means you may accidentally decock and have a paper weight unless you rack the slide again. The original P99-esque one is superior.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;49029611]Get a SCAR-17S, much lighter and has a folding stock.[/QUOTE]
SOCOM 16: 8.8Lbs empty
SCAR-17s: 8.0Lbs empty
Not that much lighter.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;49030168]Yes, but remember what I said about my M14 EBR; drop $800 on a stock kit and your $1700 rifle now costs $2500 just to get it a pistol grip and collapsible stock with adjustable cheek rest or even a side folding or M4 style stock and that adds more weight before optics. Sure, magazines are more plentiful and only cost $25 instead of $45 for FN mags (unless you drop cash on the Handl Defense lower to be able to use .308 PMAGS).
By the way, just ran a search on SCAR 17S and Buds had three for $2500-2700.[/QUOTE]
That's cause buds only has a 2-5% markup on their stuff. That's all fine and dandy for them since they don't have a whole lot of overhead beyond a barn and a hand full of employees, but for your local shop $2949 isn't enough to cover overhead let alone keep the lights on. That's a 15% markup over cost, which in order for just about any store to be profitable you need to run a 30% markup.
That all comes down to how much you like supporting local business.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49028454]The PTR91 PDW is like 50 shades of retarded. The barrel travel length is like almost the same as the OAL of the cartridge. Not even any point aside of "lol look at the muzzle blast of this Barnaul .308".[/QUOTE]
You'll get better barrel harmonics out of a shorter barrel, but the PDW barrel is a tad short for doing 1,000 yard precision shooting. It's not meant for that anyway, it's a PDW, so it's meant to be concealable and used almost exclusively at short range.
Is there such thing as a non-railed foregrip handguard (like a Romanian, or AMD-65) for a Yugo AK? I'd like something to help stabilize but I'm not too keen on a railed solution.
Edit:
[QUOTE=butre;49021722]people always talk about how heavy a spas 12 is but they're really not that bad. they're a fair bit under 9 pounds. it's lighter than an Auto-5, only a couple ounces heavier than a Benelli M4, only about a pound heavier than modern semi-autos like a Mossberg 930 or a Saiga-12
nobody complains about the weight of a decked out AR-15 with aluminum quads and a heavy profile barrel, but that would weigh about the same.[/QUOTE]
It's not just that they're heavier than comparable guns (they're actually just shy of 10lbs with the metal stock), it's that all that weight is concentrated as far forward as possible, so they're extremely unwieldy. And the folding stock that everyone loves is like smacking yourself in the face repeatedly with a lawnmower blade, worse than any underfolding AK. The full stock one is marginally better but still awkward and unreliable. I'd buy one if I got a good price on it just for the sheer novelty, but they're really not fun to shoot and the poor reliability just seals the deal. If it weren't for their looks and their appearance in movies, nobody would buy one.
This is a "2B-P-40 machinegun" made by Constantinov.
The 2B-A-40 is an assault rifle of Russian origin. The weapon uses a delayed blowback operation and is chambered in the 7.62x39mm round. The 2B-A-40 also came as a light machine gun as the 2B-P-40.
[url]http://www.allmilitaryweapons.com/2011/07/2b-40-assault-rifle.html?m=1[/url]
[img]http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/combloccustoms/4492663_zpsg2fibg7k.jpg[/img]
Belt fed RPK-74 prototype:
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/8i1RDnm.jpg[/thumb]
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[QUOTE=catbarf;49032674]Is there such thing as a non-railed foregrip handguard (like a Romanian, or AMD-65) for a Yugo AK? I'd like something to help stabilize but I'm not too keen on a railed solution.
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This exists, but I don't know if it would fit a Yugo, it's from a Polish Tantal, rails are removable:
[url]http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/BERYL-HANDGUARD-VARIANT-B-K-GRIP-EARLY-5MM-RAILS-4p3148.htm[/url]
[img]http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/catalog/ber-3209_430_detail.jpg[/img]
[url]http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/BERYL-HANDGUARD-VARIANT-B-K-GRIP-4p1610.htm[/url]
[img]http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/catalog/berylkhg_1948_detail.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49032666]there's a difference between 18" short and 8" short....[/QUOTE]
18" isn't even short, thats like the standard length for 308 rifles. 8" is short, but like I said, it's a PDW. Not meant for distance shooting. I haven't shot one but with a stock, I assume it wouldn't have any issue hitting targets at 100 meters or so.
[QUOTE=Ridge;49030953]SOCOM 16: 8.8Lbs empty
SCAR-17s: 8.0Lbs empty
Not that much lighter.[/QUOTE]
It is when you add a stock to that SOCOM; add the SAGE EBR chassis and you add 5.5lbs just to get a pistol grip and adjustable stock.
The VLTOR option is 2.5lbs
M14s are cool and all, but they were outpaced by the FAL, and that has been replaced by the SCAR 17 as far as battle rifles go, and the SR-25/ M110 for DMRs.
The M14 still has a better trigger than your average SCAR 17 however, despite its better ergonomics and handling.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;49036042]It is when you add a stock to that SOCOM; add the SAGE EBR chassis and you add 5.5lbs just to get a pistol grip and adjustable stock.
The VLTOR option is 2.5lbs
M14s are cool and all, but they were outpaced by the FAL, and that has been replaced by the SCAR 17 as far as battle rifles go, and the SR-25/ M110 for DMRs.
The M14 still has a better trigger than your average SCAR 17 however, despite its better ergonomics and handling.[/QUOTE]
Trigger pull is everything when shooting long distance.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49036152]Trigger pull is everything when shooting long distance.[/QUOTE]
They make match triggers for the SCARs since they are common in the shooting sports, the Timney and Geissele come to mind.
Doesn't the SCAR use a standard AR15 style trigger group?
[QUOTE=download;49036725]Doesn't the SCAR use a standard AR15 style trigger group?[/QUOTE]
No, similar, but not:
Geissele Super Scar trigger group
[thumb]http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/567/567486.jpg[/thumb]
AR-15 factory trigger group
[thumb]http://jerkingthetrigger.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ALG-QMS.jpg[/thumb]
Eh. M4's trigger's all right. Not great, but it makes weapon go boom and doesn't throw you off target too much.
If the M14 has a better trigger group, I'd definitely like to put some rounds through one some day.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49038088]Eh. M4's trigger's all right. Not great, but it makes weapon go boom and doesn't throw you off target too much.
If the M14 has a better trigger group, I'd definitely like to put some rounds through one some day.[/QUOTE]
If you got the money I would opt for a SCAR or an FAL honestly. M-14's aren't that great for what you're paying, especially now that polytechs are worth as much as brand new springfields. I'd say spend the money on a new DSA instead.
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or a PTR-91
[QUOTE=MAC21500;49035700]This exists, but I don't know if it would fit a Yugo, it's from a Polish Tantal, rails are removable:
[url]http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/BERYL-HANDGUARD-VARIANT-B-K-GRIP-EARLY-5MM-RAILS-4p3148.htm[/url]
[img]http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/catalog/ber-3209_430_detail.jpg[/img]
[url]http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/BERYL-HANDGUARD-VARIANT-B-K-GRIP-4p1610.htm[/url]
[img]http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/catalog/berylkhg_1948_detail.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
That's pretty cool, but if it's not designed for a Yugo it won't fit, the handguard is a different length. At this point I'm thinking I might see if I can mount a small rail to the wood handguard and put a foregrip on that.
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