[QUOTE=catbarf;49039651]That's pretty cool, but if it's not designed for a Yugo it won't fit, the handguard is a different length. At this point I'm thinking I might see if I can mount a small rail to the wood handguard and put a foregrip on that.[/QUOTE]
Or if you want to drop 200 dollars you can try and find one of these [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/2ngd85h.jpg[/IMG]
also here is a similar railed handguard
[url]http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/BERYL-HANDGUARD-VARIANT-C-ALLOY-K-GRIP-37p1611.htm[/url]
Again, those won't fit. Yugo furniture is not, as far as I know, interchangeable with the furniture of any other AK family. Compare the handguards:
[img]https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/century-arms-cai-ak-47-wasr-762-39-zastava-serbia-pap-m70-compare1.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49039303]If you got the money I would opt for a SCAR or an FAL honestly. M-14's aren't that great for what you're paying, especially now that polytechs are worth as much as brand new springfields. I'd say spend the money on a new DSA instead.
[editline]3rd November 2015[/editline]
or a PTR-91[/QUOTE]
Polytechs might be worth a grand, but they don't hold a candle to a springfield in terms of quality (cast fake flash hider? yeah no).
The PTR's are great rifles and you can get mags for them dirt cheap compared to the M1A. A lot of them use match barrels from the get go and they're fairly accurate for all the crap sitting on the barrel. DSA's are pretty legit too, much better than the shit century put out using hesse receivers.
I'd go with the PTR91, but wait on buying one. They released a statement on FB that they are working on adding the paddle mag release from factory. The DSAs are nice, but overall pricey.
I'd love to handle a DSA SA58, but my shops don't carry them. Odd considering that literally the state next door has a DSA pro-shop.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49044091]Polytechs might be worth a grand, but they don't hold a candle to a springfield in terms of quality (cast fake flash hider? yeah no).
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Yea thats what I'm saying. They're great if you bought one in the 80's for $500, or if you live in Canuckistan and can still get them for $500 with a crate of Chinese 7.62Nato for 20c a round.
I buy whatever 9 pellet 00 buck seems like the best deal and not much else. :disgust:
It's too bad those OD green hulled military runoff shells are so expensive and shitty because I like how they look.
I had some of that super-x stuff loaded in my 590's magazine tube for a few months and one day I unloaded them all and the hulls were bent and the first few wouldn't actually chamber.
I'm assuming that's more the fault of the magazine spring + me leaving shells in the thing for months like a doofus and not the shell construction.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49044091]Polytechs might be worth a grand, but they don't hold a candle to a springfield in terms of quality (cast fake flash hider? yeah no).
The PTR's are great rifles and you can get mags for them dirt cheap compared to the M1A. A lot of them use match barrels from the get go and they're fairly accurate for all the crap sitting on the barrel. DSA's are pretty legit too, much better than the shit century put out using hesse receivers.[/QUOTE]
Norinco M14s are a grand in the US? Jeez, and I thought it was bad that they're like $700 here now.
I'm using Estate 00 buck right now, not sure where that falls on the quality line.
I wish local stores would stock some low recoil buckshot so maybe more of my family members would be willing to shoot stuff other than the .22s.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;49048027]I'm using Estate 00 buck right now, not sure where that falls on the quality line.
I wish local stores would stock some low recoil buckshot so maybe more of my family members would be willing to shoot stuff other than the .22s.[/QUOTE]
Estate is usually at the bottom end, not because of reliability issues or anything but because its dirty as shit and the powder burns hotter than others.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49048057]Well, why don't you let them start with some birdshot and work their way up?[/QUOTE]
I do a lot of my shooting in an indoor range that only appreciates buckshot and slugs.
buckshot doesn't even kick that hard
I want to see someone machine a gun out of solid glass stock. Every part except the springs. Then shoot it in front of a high-speed camera.
[editline]4th November 2015[/editline]
That would be so fuckin sweet holy shit
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49047999]Norinco M14s are a grand in the US? Jeez, and I thought it was bad that they're like $700 here now.[/QUOTE]
Bare in mind we haven't been able to get them in the country since 1993.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49049277]I want to see someone machine a gun out of solid glass stock. Every part except the springs. Then shoot it in front of a high-speed camera.
[editline]4th November 2015[/editline]
That would be so fuckin sweet holy shit[/QUOTE]
And then it's gone. Poof...
[sp]actually more of a shatter, but still...[/sp]
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49044091]Polytechs might be worth a grand, but they don't hold a candle to a springfield in terms of quality (cast fake flash hider? yeah no).
The PTR's are great rifles and you can get mags for them dirt cheap compared to the M1A. A lot of them use match barrels from the get go and they're fairly accurate for all the crap sitting on the barrel. DSA's are pretty legit too, much better than the shit century put out using hesse receivers.[/QUOTE]
Having owned all three of these, I will say this; they are each great at their own thing.
As far as accuracy goes, the M14 is probably the best, unless you turn your PTR91 into an MSG-90 or PSG1 clone. That being said, stock PTR91s can out shoot stock M1As (having few moving parts around the barrel is a plus).
FALs aren't particularly accurate compared to the other two and suffer from vertical stringing as they warm up. Just remember that they are basically an SVT40/ SKS with superior ergonomics.
PTR/HK clones don't have particularly good triggers, and neither do FALs; AFAIK, only the PTR91 and the M1A have match grade trigger options, with the M1A having much cheaper and more common match triggers and a better stock trigger.
All three have peep sights, although the M1As are the most adjustable and match sights are available.
The PTR's rear sight is windage adjustable by loosening a screw and moving the whole sight side to side. It is also elevation adjustable by depressing the inside of the sight drum and rotating.
The FAL's rear sight is windage adjustable by drifting it with a hammer, and it has pre set elevation adjustment; minor elevation adjustment being adjusted by rotating the front sight akin to an AR-15.
Some DSA FALs seem to have too short a rear sight or too tall a front post, having to rotate it until it bottoms out and then it is still shooting low at 25yds. There are several heights of available rear sight replacements, regular Belgian pattern, which DSA uses, one is Israeli (medium height), another is the L1A1, being the tallest.
FAL has the best ergos of the three, with a BHO function and mag release behind the magwell and operable by the firing hand, left side charging handle and a thumb selector.
M1A has right side charging handle, poor safety placement and a terrible BHO button, but a decent paddle mag release
PTR91 has no automatic BHO, and charging/BHO function can be tiresome or difficult with short arms; has a thumb selector and a paddle mag release or button, the latter is difficult to reach if your firing had is small.
All have rock and lock mags; 20rd FAL and M1A mags go for $25 (used FAL mags, new Checkmate M1A mags), with the 20rd HK mags being the cheapest at $4 a mag for aluminum versions.
The M1A and the FAL are both ammunition sensitive; the M1A to heavy bullet weights bending the op rod, and the FAL to steel cased ammo rupturing due to lack of case support similar to a glock chamber.
PTR91 eats anything and can be a bit hard on brass, so why not shoot steel?
M1A can be card on the case rims
FAL is the best on brass due to an adjustable gas system.
The FAL and PTR are both easy to field strip, the FAL a bit more so, having only a push lever to hinge it open as opposed to the takedown pins of the PTR. Sometimes you must fight with the PTR bolt to re align it properly and be able to re insert it into the receiver.
The M1A is more complicated in it's takedown.
the FAL is the easiest to clean, simply hinge open, remove dust cover and bolt carrier and the receiver and chamber are wide open. The M1A has an exposed bolt carrier and chamber which is easy enough to clean unless you have a receiver side scope mount.
Trying to clean a PTR is akin to cleaning the inside of a soda can with a Q-tip; the chamber is particularly recessed and difficult to clean well without the aid of cleaning spray.
The M1A has three optics mounting options, a side rail mount over the action, a scout mount or a cantilever mount over the action.
The PTR has two, either a claw mount or using a welded on 1913 picatinny rail.
The FAL has two, either a railed dustcover attached with screws or a scout mount on a railed forend.
All three can mount bipods, although it is recommended that you use a modern bipod for accuracy's sake, as opposed to the originals.
All three rifles are in the neighborhood of 9 or so pounds, and all three rifles have odd muzzle threads, with the M1A most likely having the most muzzle devices available.
Springfield M1A receivers are cast, as are Fulton Armory's, and I know there are forged receivers offered by LRB and SEI.
DSA FALs use aluminum lower receivers and steel uppers, PTRs naturally use an all stamped steel receiver, with the lower generally being polymer up until now, as they offer steel lowers.
You can get a new PTR for under $1000 while you'll be lucky to get a new M1A for under $1400 and a new DSA FAL for $1500-1700.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49049277]I want to see someone machine a gun out of solid glass stock. Every part except the springs. Then shoot it in front of a high-speed camera.
[editline]4th November 2015[/editline]
That would be so fuckin sweet holy shit[/QUOTE]
you don't machine glass
I got my Glock 19 Gen 4 back from Glock today.
They replaced the RSA, Extractor and all the springs and plunger bits, the trigger housing and ejector. These are all things I had already replaced and didn't work. Oh well, maybe something is different this time.
They did replace the locking block and locking block pin. Why would they do this to fix brass-to-face and erratic ejection? I'm not saying it's a dumb idea I just genuinely don't know how it would help.
I bought a shit ton more 9mm so I gotta go out tomorrow and try it.
[QUOTE=butre;49050739]you don't machine glass[/QUOTE]
You can machine glass, it's not that uncommon.
Hell, all eye glasses are machine ground to specific perscriptions.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;49051033]You can machine glass, it's not that uncommon.
Hell, all eye glasses are machine ground to specific perscriptions.[/QUOTE]
grinding is grinding, not machining. going at something with an angle grinder isn't machining just like going at a piece of glass with a diamond hone isn't machining.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;49049511]And then it's gone. Poof...
[sp]actually more of a shatter, but still...[/sp][/QUOTE]
that's the point, it'd look cool in super slow motion
[QUOTE=butre;49050739]you don't machine glass[/QUOTE]
you can
[video=youtube;QIC5toKBNMI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIC5toKBNMI[/video]
[editline]4th November 2015[/editline]
I'm really having a hard time justifying which gun to pick up next. I have my Glock 20 which I could carry in my truck, but I feel like the 10mm is too much for anything 2 legged and that I should get the Glock 19 I want next.
But at the same time, I have not a single long gun to my name ( except a R700 in .243 ) in case I would need something long. Which makes me want to buy a shotgun, buuuuut then comes the argument of most shooting scenarios happen within 20 yards.
Seriously leaning towards the Glock right now just for practicality sake.
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;49051398]
But at the same time, I have not a single long gun to my name ( except a R700 in .243 ) in case I would need something long. Which makes me want to buy a shotgun, buuuuut then comes the argument of most shooting scenarios happen within 20 yards.
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And what's wrong with a shotgun at 20 yards?
A shotgun is fine at close range. An AR15 would probably be a better choice however.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;49051721]And what's wrong with a shotgun at 20 yards?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely nothing, but I'm comfortable with pistols at 20+ yards so I feel like that would be more than enough. And the fact that pulling a shotgun out of my truck is a lot harder than keeping a handgun at my side. I don't go anywhere, that I would need to carry a gun on my person. I drive to work, and I stay in my room at home.
Handguns rounds are pretty anaemic from a self-defense standpoint.
[QUOTE=download;49051738]A shotgun is fine at close range. An AR15 would probably be a better choice however.[/QUOTE]
A decent shotgun is still cheaper than a decent AR15.
Im still leaning towards the Glock, having a gun is better than no gun at all.
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;49051398][video=youtube;QIC5toKBNMI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIC5toKBNMI[/video]
[editline]4th November 2015[/editline]
I'm really having a hard time justifying which gun to pick up next. I have my Glock 20 which I could carry in my truck, but I feel like the 10mm is too much for anything 2 legged and that I should get the Glock 19 I want next.
But at the same time, I have not a single long gun to my name ( except a R700 in .243 ) in case I would need something long. Which makes me want to buy a shotgun, buuuuut then comes the argument of most shooting scenarios happen within 20 yards.
Seriously leaning towards the Glock right now just for practicality sake.[/QUOTE]
all that is is an expensive method of scoring and breaking. I'm talking about 3 axis machining anyway
you can shape glass tubes on a lathe and I don't see why you couldn't 3 axis a cube of the stuff other than it would take forever and cause you to die from airborne glass particles before it was finished
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