[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;47386892]The UK[/QUOTE]
More like the yuk...
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47384197]So it looks like I won't be getting my gun license any time soon.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck what do I do?[/QUOTE]
Move south of the border, to the good ole USA...
anyone have any experience with the Steyr M9? I'm becoming really interested with Steyr's 3 gun offerings to the US
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47382611]The magazine that came with my 1911 would sporadically spew every bullet through the ejection port when you locked the slide back[/QUOTE]
the magazine that came with my m1 carbine would randomly eject all the bullets with the spring through the bottom plate every 20 or 30 rounds
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;47389022]anyone have any experience with the Steyr M9? I'm becoming really interested with Steyr's 3 gun offerings to the US[/QUOTE]
The gun feels great, and the trigger is excellent for a striker fired pistol, even compared with the HK VP9 and Walther PPQ.
Looks slightly like a power drill, but also like a striker fired handgun that CZ would make.
Sights are a bid odd, very angular:
[img]http://huntinganddefense.com/attachments/Image/SteyrTrapSighte.jpg?template=generic[/img]
[QUOTE=MAC21500;47389559]The gun feels great, and the trigger is excellent for a striker fired pistol, even compared with the HK VP9 and Walther PPQ.
Looks slightly like a power drill, but also like a striker fired handgun that CZ would make.
Sights are a bid odd, very angular:
[img]http://huntinganddefense.com/attachments/Image/SteyrTrapSighte.jpg?template=generic[/img][/QUOTE]
ive really had an aversion to striker fired pistols, i just much prefer hammer fired but I love my AUG so much, im willing to try one since its steyr
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47386490]like switzerland or the czech republic?[/QUOTE]
I hear Sudan doesn't have any restrictions on automatic weapons and suppressed gats.
Just, ignore the pirates and shit.
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;47389647]ive really had an aversion to striker fired pistols, i just much prefer hammer fired but I love my AUG so much, im willing to try one since its steyr[/QUOTE]
an aversion to striker mechanisms doesn't make any sense unless you're talking about rifles or target pistols where a lighter single action trigger is ideal. in a carry gun the longer and stiffer trigger pull is ideal because it reduces the chance of negligent discharges. that's why da/sa pistols have been popular for so long, but a striker fired pistol one-ups da/sa pistols by having a consistent trigger pull at all times.
[QUOTE=hydrated;47389735]an aversion to striker mechanisms doesn't make any sense unless you're talking about rifles or target pistols where a lighter single action trigger is ideal. in a carry gun the longer and stiffer trigger pull is ideal because it reduces the chance of negligent discharges. that's why da/sa pistols have been popular for so long, but a striker fired pistol one-ups da/sa pistols by having a consistent trigger pull at all times.[/QUOTE]
Except striker-fired are still by-and-large single action, meaning when you carry them, you carry them cocked, and that means there is the potential, however small, for an accidental discharge. The Walther P99 is striker-fired, but it's still SA/DA with a decocker for just such a reason. It's trigger pull also isn't consistent IMO, it gets ever so slightly stiffer right before it goes off. A decocked gun can't accidentally go off, no matter if it's hammer or striker fired, but a cocked one can.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47389909]Except striker-fired are still by-and-large single action, meaning when you carry them, you carry them cocked, and that means there is the potential, however small, for an accidental discharge. The Walther P99 is striker-fired, but it's still SA/DA with a decocker for just such a reason. It's trigger pull also isn't consistent IMO, it gets ever so slightly stiffer right before it goes off. A decocked gun can't accidentally go off, no matter if it's hammer or striker fired, but a cocked one can.[/QUOTE]
Then you can put an NY trigger in your striker fired deathtraps.
Enjoy 12lb trigger pull...and not hitting anything.
Or try your hand at Israeli carry, Condition 1 (carrying without one in the chamber) and rackasfastasyoucan on the draw.
If you haven't noticed, we're not still carrying revolvers, and many departments and agencies utilize or have utilized striker fired pistols.
Go buy a striker fired pistol, then go to the range and shoot it and familiarize yourself with it until you aren't afraid of it anymore.
I don't understand this illogical fear of snagging the trigger; buy the right type of holster and make sure you clear the holster when re holstering.
Re holstering isn't a backwards quickdraw.
Don't be stupid or careless with/around/in machines and you wont get hurt. Period.
[editline]24th March 2015[/editline]
To be fair Commie, this is a valid concern for new shooters, most of whom don't like the idea of not having a tactile safety on something that can very easily kill or maim.
[QUOTE=hydrated;47389735]an aversion to striker mechanisms doesn't make any sense unless you're talking about rifles or target pistols where a lighter single action trigger is ideal. in a carry gun the longer and stiffer trigger pull is ideal because it reduces the chance of negligent discharges. that's why da/sa pistols have been popular for so long, but a striker fired pistol one-ups da/sa pistols by having a consistent trigger pull at all times.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about carrying, I just like DA/SA and hammers, feels way smoother than any striker fired gun I've fired
[editline]24th March 2015[/editline]
Like I've fired plenty of glocks and I way prefer my sigs and CZ75
[QUOTE=MAC21500;47389954]Then you can put an NY trigger in your striker fired deathtraps.
Enjoy 12lb trigger pull...and not hitting anything.
Or try your hand at Israeli carry, Condition 1 (carrying without one in the chamber) and rackasfastasyoucan on the draw.
If you haven't noticed, we're not still carrying revolvers, and many departments and agencies utilize or have utilized striker fired pistols.
Go buy a striker fired pistol, then go to the range and shoot it and familiarize yourself with it until you aren't afraid of it anymore.
I don't understand this illogical fear of snagging the trigger; buy the right type of holster and make sure you clear the holster when re holstering.
Re holstering isn't a backwards quickdraw.
Don't be stupid or careless with/around/in machines and you wont get hurt. Period.
[editline]24th March 2015[/editline]
To be fair Commie, this is a valid concern for new shooters, most of whom don't like the idea of not having a tactile safety on something that can very easily kill or maim.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about being worried about it snagging, and I'm not scared of them, and I view safeties in a life-or-death situation as an impedance you need to remember to disengage before you can save yourself that can lead to you getting killed. For a range gun, they're fine. My concern is mechanical failure. If a gun is cocked, striker or hammer, a mechanical failure that can cause an accidental discharge is possible. If I was talking about snagging, that's still possible with a DA pistol, just less likely due to the stiffness. What I'm talking about is the possibility, however minute, that a gun that is cocked will be hit/knocked/malfunction and the gun will go off due to the firing pin being pushed by whatever firing mechanism it is failing. Such a thing is impossible if the gun is not cocked. This concern also won't be solved by the NY trigger, this concern is only solved by using DA for the first shot.
I know the cops carry Glocks, security firms here carry the S&W M&P, and my dad used to carry a cocked Browning Hi-Power single-action when he was in the army and never had a problem. The thing is that possibility is minute, but it still exists. With DA, such a mechanical failure is literally impossible. That's why I'd only ever carry something that had the ability to be decocked into DA. It's unlikely that a SA gun will fail and go off, I've heard it's almost impossible for a Glock to fail and accidentally go off, but that incredibly small possibility still exists. If the gun is not cocked it is literally impossible for a mechanical failure to cause it to go off, and literally impossible is safer than almost impossible.
To be honest, I am actually enjoying this Hi-Point C9...
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47390074]I'm not talking about being worried about it snagging, and I'm not scared of them, and I view safeties in a life-or-death situation as an impedance you need to remember to disengage before you can save yourself that can lead to you getting killed. For a range gun, they're fine. My concern is mechanical failure. If a gun is cocked, striker or hammer, a mechanical failure that can cause an accidental discharge is possible. If I was talking about snagging, that's still possible with a DA pistol, just less likely due to the stiffness. What I'm talking about is the possibility, however minute, that a gun that is cocked will be hit/knocked/malfunction and the gun will go off due to the firing pin being pushed by whatever firing mechanism it is failing. Such a thing is impossible if the gun is not cocked. This concern also won't be solved by the NY trigger, this concern is only solved by using DA for the first shot.
I know the cops carry Glocks, security firms here carry the S&W M&P, and my dad used to carry a cocked Browning Hi-Power single-action when he was in the army and never had a problem. The thing is that possibility is minute, but it still exists. With DA, such a mechanical failure is literally impossible. That's why I'd only ever carry something that had the ability to be decocked into DA. It's unlikely that a SA gun will fail and go off, I've heard it's almost impossible for a Glock to fail and accidentally go off, but that incredibly small possibility still exists. If the gun is not cocked it is literally impossible for a mechanical failure to cause it to go off, and literally impossible is safer than almost impossible.[/QUOTE]
it's never happened. stop being afraid of it just because the mechanism is unfamiliar to you
[QUOTE=hydrated;47390334]it's never happened. stop being afraid of it just because the mechanism is unfamiliar to you[/QUOTE]
I've seen it happen once. Thankfully the gun was unloaded, and the hammer wouldn't have gone down with enough force to set it off anyway since a leather strap was in the way, but once when I was removing my dad's Hi-Power from its holster, the hammer fell. Nothing feasibly could have touched the trigger, as it was still in the holster. It happened after I cocked the gun and put it in the holster, then tried to remove it again, to see how the holster was supposed to work at retaining the pistol with the leather strap that holds it in the holster. It did not drop when it was placed in the holster, it dropped when I attempted to remove it, and when the trigger guard was still contained within the holster, making it impossible for me to have accidentally pulled the trigger. It was a very clear illustration to me that sometimes something can go wrong, however unlikely. My dad was surprised, since he carried one for 5 years and never had anything like that happen. Because of that minute possibility, though, I'd personally rather carry something where that was impossible to happen. It's not like there's any lack of DA guns on the market.
It's like the Remmy 700s. The chance they'd go off by themselves was small, but still there. I saw that happen too, at my store.
I'm also not unfamiliar with the actions, Glock has a 2-stage trigger that has to have both stages engaged to fire under normal conditions, and they claim you can toss it against the ground as hard as you like as many times as you want and it won't go off, and I own and have shot several single-action hammer guns. I still wouldn't carry a single-action only if I could instead carry a SA/DA.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47390074]I'm not talking about being worried about it snagging, and I'm not scared of them, and I view safeties in a life-or-death situation as an impedance you need to remember to disengage before you can save yourself that can lead to you getting killed. For a range gun, they're fine. My concern is mechanical failure. If a gun is cocked, striker or hammer, a mechanical failure that can cause an accidental discharge is possible. If I was talking about snagging, that's still possible with a DA pistol, just less likely due to the stiffness. What I'm talking about is the possibility, however minute, that a gun that is cocked will be hit/knocked/malfunction and the gun will go off due to the firing pin being pushed by whatever firing mechanism it is failing. Such a thing is impossible if the gun is not cocked. This concern also won't be solved by the NY trigger, this concern is only solved by using DA for the first shot.
I know the cops carry Glocks, security firms here carry the S&W M&P, and my dad used to carry a cocked Browning Hi-Power single-action when he was in the army and never had a problem. The thing is that possibility is minute, but it still exists. With DA, such a mechanical failure is literally impossible. That's why I'd only ever carry something that had the ability to be decocked into DA. It's unlikely that a SA gun will fail and go off, I've heard it's almost impossible for a Glock to fail and accidentally go off, but that incredibly small possibility still exists. If the gun is not cocked it is literally impossible for a mechanical failure to cause it to go off, and literally impossible is safer than almost impossible.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what a drop safety test is?
The vast majority of modern guns are drop tested; they wont just "go off" if dropped.
Do you know how the striker mechanism works?
By pulling the trigger, you're cocking the striker back before it falls off the sear.
It is physically impossible for the gun to cock the striker by itself.
I'm talking about in striker fired pistols. hi powers are very much hammer fired.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;47390402]Do you know what a drop safety test is?
The vast majority of modern guns are drop tested; they wont just "go off" if dropped.
Do you know how the striker mechanism works?
By pulling the trigger, you're cocking the striker back before it falls off the sear.
It is physically impossible for the gun to cock the striker by itself.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that, like a hammer, it's fully cocked when loaded. After watching this informative video:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1VD1D1hLsQ[/media]
Which I looked up after you mentioned this, I realize that it is not fully cocked, and that presumably enough distance is left so that if the striker does fall, it doesn't fall with enough pressure to set off the round. With the way you said "cocking it back," I thought you were implying that all striker guns were DAO, which would normally mean they'd need to have a hell of a trigger pull, but now I know they're just not cocked all the way.
Now I know why they claim a Glock won't go off, because it seems it can't. Thank you, this has indeed changed my mind about striker-fired guns, but frankly, I hate Glocks, and I'd still prefer a SA/DA hammer-fired.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;47388400]Move south of the border, to the good ole USA...[/QUOTE]
I'm planning on it in the future but....the process of getting a green card scares me.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47390532]I'm planning on it in the future but....the process of getting a green card scares me.[/QUOTE]
just get married or have a baby with an american
[QUOTE=hydrated;47390556]just get married or have a baby with an american[/QUOTE]
Any other way?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47390379]...once when I was removing my dad's Hi-Power from its holster, the hammer fell. Nothing feasibly could have touched the trigger, as it was still in the holster.[/QUOTE]
Internal parts wear. More than likely the sear was worn (not unexpected on an older firearm), which allowed it to slip off the catch.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47390560]Any other way?[/QUOTE]
it's the quickest way by far
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47390560]Any other way?[/QUOTE]
Join the military.
[QUOTE=camaroni;47390591]Join the military.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, I didn't know you could even apply if you're a foreign citizen. Do I just walk over the border and sign up? :v
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47390718]Hmm, I didn't know you could even apply if you're a foreign citizen. Do I just walk over the border and sign up? :v[/QUOTE]
The US military prides itself in the fact that we allow foreign citizens to enlist in our ranks. My best advice is contact a local recruiting office in the United States and ask about more information on the process. Being active duty will allow you to gain citizenship faster than other methods. But don't sign up just because you like our gun laws. There are plenty of active duty personnel that can answer your questions before you make that commitment.
[QUOTE=camaroni;47390750]The US military prides itself in the fact that we allow foreign citizens to enlist in our ranks. My best advice is contact a local recruiting office in the United States and ask about more information on the process. Being active duty will allow you to gain citizenship faster than other methods. But don't sign up just because you like our gun laws. There are plenty of active duty personnel that can answer your questions before you make that commitment.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I just find it funny that the US military commands foreigners in their own ranks, wouldn't that present security issues like, if you have russian KGB agents joining or chinese hackers?
Ahh I see after a little reading you must first have a green card and a US address to join. That makes sense then.
[QUOTE=camaroni;47390591]Join the military.[/QUOTE]
Service guarantees citizenship!
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47386490]like switzerland or the czech republic?[/QUOTE]
We have a ban on hollow point ammo, exept that, the gun laws here are pretty liberal.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47390808]I don't know, I just find it funny that the US military commands foreigners in their own ranks, wouldn't that present security issues like, if you have russian KGB agents joining or chinese hackers?
Ahh I see after a little reading you must first have a green card and a US address to join. That makes sense then.[/QUOTE]
Ever heard of the Gurkhas or the French Foreign Legion? It's not just the US.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
