Firearms XII; Because Merica - General

After months of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I finally took delivery of the new rifle! [URL=http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/PCho222/media/10433084_10204757643038971_502492205996164126_n_zpsap6pgphr.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/PCho222/10433084_10204757643038971_502492205996164126_n_zpsap6pgphr.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Went out to the range and shot my first group with it. [URL=http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/PCho222/media/stuff_zpscpfn7bsa.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/PCho222/stuff_zpscpfn7bsa.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;47420721]After months of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I finally took delivery of the new rifle! [URL=http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/PCho222/media/10433084_10204757643038971_502492205996164126_n_zpsap6pgphr.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/PCho222/10433084_10204757643038971_502492205996164126_n_zpsap6pgphr.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Went out to the range and shot my first group with it. [URL=http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/PCho222/media/stuff_zpscpfn7bsa.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/PCho222/stuff_zpscpfn7bsa.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/QUOTE] how many shots at what distance?

[QUOTE=hydrated;47420894]how many shots at what distance?[/QUOTE] It was just a 3 shot group at 125 yards. Unfortunately, back in the box it goes until I am home again in May, but it was still a blast finally shooting it after waiting since January. EDIT It was actually with 145 grain Prvi FMJBT bought from a guy who reloads his own stuff. The gun seems to love it.

Went to an outdoor expo, plenty of big names there, companies showing off their new pistols and rifles. If I magically get 600 dollars I'd buy a Walther PPQ. Felt great, and I shot well with it.

[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;47420997]It was just a 3 shot group at 125 yards. Unfortunately, back in the box it goes until I am home again in May, but it was still a blast finally shooting it after waiting since January.[/QUOTE] Was that with match ammo or the cheap stuff?

[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;47420997]It was just a 3 shot group at 125 yards. Unfortunately, back in the box it goes until I am home again in May, but it was still a blast finally shooting it after waiting since January.[/QUOTE] SirKillsAlot indeed. :v:

Anybody have any experience with what the recoil would be like on a M&P Shield in .40? I turn 21 in a few months and it's the conceal carry handgun I'm looking at. I'll probably go to a range sometime and test it out if they have one (I live in Kansas, so particular guns are hard to find) but I didn't know if any of you guys have tried one out.

[QUOTE=Whibble;47421623]Anybody have any experience with what the recoil would be like on a M&P Shield in .40? I turn 21 in a few months and it's the conceal carry handgun I'm looking at. I'll probably go to a range sometime and test it out if they have one (I live in Kansas, so particular guns are hard to find) but I didn't know if any of you guys have tried one out.[/QUOTE] It sucks, worse than the full size M&P .40s. Get a 9mm or even a G43.

[QUOTE=Whibble;47421623]Anybody have any experience with what the recoil would be like on a M&P Shield in .40? I turn 21 in a few months and it's the conceal carry handgun I'm looking at. I'll probably go to a range sometime and test it out if they have one (I live in Kansas, so particular guns are hard to find) but I didn't know if any of you guys have tried one out.[/QUOTE] Usually indoor ranges have a pretty solid selection of guns to choose from. If your specific model isn't available, then ask for one in the same caliber with a similar weight. In a gun that small, .40 caliber isn't going to be fun to fire. It will be made worse by the narrow single stack body. Basically the gun will work fine, but you will never enjoy shooting it, making it a dangerous choice for concealed carry because you won't spend as much time at the range with it. Unless you have a really specific reason for needing to conceal a gun completely, I would go with a full size or a compact pistol.

[QUOTE=download;47404738]A lightened slide wouldn't cause stoppages, it just means it would recoil rearwards more violently potentially causing damage to the frame and slide as it stops hard. The lightening might have been counteracted by the added weight of the red dot however.[/QUOTE] Remember that the Hi-Point doesn't use any locking mechanism, it's a straight blowback design that relies on an overly heavy slide to delay opening the action. Lightening the slide significantly would be a rather poor idea, unless you enjoy high-pressure propellant gas in your face. They probably only lightened it by the amount that the red dot weighs.

[QUOTE=catbarf;47423074]Remember that the Hi-Point doesn't use any locking mechanism, it's a straight blowback design that relies on an overly heavy slide to delay opening the action. Lightening the slide significantly would be a rather poor idea, unless you enjoy high-pressure propellant gas in your face. They probably only lightened it by the amount that the red dot weighs.[/QUOTE] I said it wouldn't cause stoppages. I never said it wouldn't spray hot gasses everywhere.

Would 30rds of .22WMR and weekly practice be enough for self-protection from foxes and other wildlife while hiking and possibly an aggressor when out in public? Or do I need .357/9mm/.380/10mm/.40/45ACP to be safe against intruders/muggers/attackers?

Finally did my PK training tests with Browning, now I wait for them to send me the order forms so I can get myself that 1911-380 at the "employee of a retailer who sells our shit" discount. I haven't seen anywhere here selling them yet, so if I'm lucky, I might get it at the same time the stores here do.

[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47423313]... self-protection from foxes...[/QUOTE] You're joking, right?

[QUOTE=download;47423386]You're joking, right?[/QUOTE] They go for the genitals, dude. I don't fuck with animals that immediately go for the junk. I do a lot of walking in the forest looking for gemstones and I come across a lot of fox holes. They get mean when there isn't a lot of small game for them to eat. I keep a .177 pump action air gun by my side while hiking in unknown places just in case. I try to whistle every once in awhile to let animals nearby get away before I pop up and scare them into fight-or-flight. In any case, it's just to be safe. Please don't looketh down upon me, oh wise ones.

[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47423313]Would 30rds of .22WMR and weekly practice be enough for self-protection from foxes and other wildlife while hiking and possibly an aggressor when out in public? Or do I need .357/9mm/.380/10mm/.40/45ACP to be safe against intruders/muggers/attackers?[/QUOTE] You need at least a 9mm. Also who uses a pellet gun as a defense from foxes? Or, more accurately, who feels the need to protect themselves from a fox? I'd google this dick chomping tendency that you suggest, but I get the feeling any combination of "fox" and "dick" in google is going to return a collection of emotionally scarring images. [I]Thanks[/I] furries.

For foxes, I wouldn't go less than .500 S&W, but you might be alright with a .460 Rowland [I]if[/I] the dire fox population has already been culled. Personally, I wouldn't take the chance. In seriousness, 9mm is fine, but personally I'd carry the largest gun you can conceal. Count on needing at least 10 shots and go from there. e: Out of curiosity, and not to start another 10 page lynching contest, why are you guys against carrying 1911s due to their low capacity but not revolvers with an even lower capacity? Is it just because there are higher capacity .45 semi-autos of the same size?

[QUOTE=GunFox;47423938] Also who uses a pellet gun as a defense from foxes?[/QUOTE] Someone who isn't trying to open carry a rifle between peoples' properties. I've had police called on me just for sitting in my car to eat taco bell, I'm not taking chances with these people who have sticks up their ass and county police with the same problem.

[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47423973]Someone who isn't trying to open carry a rifle between peoples' properties. I've had police called on me just for sitting in my car to eat taco bell, I'm not taking chances with these people who have sticks up their ass and county police with the same problem.[/QUOTE] Sir, is that an assault chalupa?

[QUOTE=GunFox;47424207]Sir, is that an assault chalupa?[/QUOTE] "Son, do you have more than 10oz of ground beef loaded in that burrito?" "Oh its a pre-ban burrito? You're free to go."

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47423962]For foxes, I wouldn't go less than .500 S&W, but you might be alright with a .460 Rowland [I]if[/I] the dire fox population has already been culled. Personally, I wouldn't take the chance. In seriousness, 9mm is fine, but personally I'd carry the largest gun you can conceal. Count on needing at least 10 shots and go from there. e: Out of curiosity, and not to start another 10 page lynching contest, why are you guys against carrying 1911s due to their low capacity but not revolvers with an even lower capacity? Is it just because there are higher capacity .45 semi-autos of the same size?[/QUOTE] 1911's are generally are not as reliable as most other guns on the current market. The manual safety is another issue some people don't like. In order to carry the gun to ready in the fastest time, you have to have it cocked and locked. Combine that with a fucking heavy gun and low round count, it doesn't make a great CC option over the likes of XDs, M&Ps, and Glocks. A revolver typically doesn't fail as often as a 1911, and it can be smaller and lighter. Shooting one on the other hand can suck.

Chalupa sounds pretty good right now honestly Dammit GunFox

[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47423313]...protection from foxes and other wildlife while hiking and possibly an aggressor when out in public? Or do I need .357/9mm/.380/10mm/.40/45ACP to be safe against intruders/muggers/attackers?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47423436]I do a lot of walking in the forest looking for gemstones and I come across a lot of fox holes.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47423436]Someone who isn't trying to open carry a rifle between peoples' properties. I've had police called on me just for sitting in my car to eat taco bell, I'm not taking chances with these people who have sticks up their ass and county police with the same problem.[/QUOTE] Why are you walking through other peoples' properties, hiking the woods for gemstones where you would need this much protection from foxes and aggressors (mountain men?)? First glance would probably tell me that you belong in Zelda collecting rupees, not carrying weapons around and into peoples property. [sp]I'm just messing with you[/sp]

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;47424248]1911's are generally are not as reliable as most other guns on the current market. The manual safety is another issue some people don't like. In order to carry the gun to ready in the fastest time, you have to have it cocked and locked. Combine that with a fucking heavy gun and low round count, it doesn't make a great CC option over the likes of XDs, M&Ps, and Glocks. A revolver typically doesn't fail as often as a 1911, and it can be smaller and lighter. Shooting one on the other hand can suck.[/QUOTE] Uhh, 1911's are among the most reliable design. Anything based off the 1991 model is both safe and extremely reliable. 1911's are mechanically simple and feed from ultra reliable single stack magazines. I have no idea where you got the idea that they aren't.

The only reliability problems I've ever had with my 1911 have been the magazine feed lips getting bent, which has happened even on my USGI mags. I've never felt like it was an unsafe gun at all. It's also dead-accurate and points very well. My only concern carrying it would be magazine capacity. Double-stack full-size .45s are enormous, though. USP45s are almost Desert Eagle sized.

Got the dogleg installed on the AK, but the rear sight has serious wobble, so I'm waiting to hear back from TWS on that... [img]http://i.imgur.com/Xe9XlZih.jpg[/img] [editline]30th March 2015[/editline] And FP was on phpBB for a minute there...

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47424397]The only reliability problems I've ever had with my 1911 have been the magazine feed lips getting bent, which has happened even on my USGI mags. I've never felt like it was an unsafe gun at all. It's also dead-accurate and points very well. My only concern carrying it would be magazine capacity. Double-stack full-size .45s are enormous, though. USP45s are almost Desert Eagle sized.[/QUOTE] My FNX is a 15 round doublestack of .45 and it is remarkably reasonable in size. Similar to a duty glock. Recoil is also really minor. Gun is amazeballs. When I get home I'll try and take some pictures of my 1911 next to my FNX.

While we're talking size, have a picture of my C96 next to my 1911: [t]http://i.imgur.com/WwDdaPbh.jpg[/t] I was surprised by how large it is, but it's razor thin and surprisingly well balanced.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47423962]For foxes, I wouldn't go less than .500 S&W, but you might be alright with a .460 Rowland [I]if[/I] the dire fox population has already been culled. Personally, I wouldn't take the chance. In seriousness, 9mm is fine, but personally I'd carry the largest gun you can conceal. Count on needing at least 10 shots and go from there. e: Out of curiosity, and not to start another 10 page lynching contest, why are you guys against carrying 1911s due to their low capacity but not revolvers with an even lower capacity? Is it just because there are higher capacity .45 semi-autos of the same size?[/QUOTE] you lose one round but revolvers are (generally) cheaper, more reliable at a given price point, less picky about ammo, quicker to shoot (double action means no need for manual safety), and don't print like a semi-auto does.

[QUOTE=GunFox;47424350]Uhh, 1911's are among the most reliable design. Anything based off the 1991 model is both safe and extremely reliable. 1911's are mechanically simple and feed from ultra reliable single stack magazines. I have no idea where you got the idea that they aren't.[/QUOTE] Uh... I think you mean series 70/80. There aren't too many non-Colt 1991-based 1911s. Series 70 introduced firing pin blocks and other small things that the older styles lacked. I personally have only had recoil-spring-related issues due to a dying spring, and I really don't shoot my GI enough to really have a strong opinion one way or the other about reliability. I just know first hand that I can take my 1940-built GI and hit a target any reasonable self-defense distance away with it no problem. Taking my Dad's early-2000s-built P94, I can't say anything nearly the same. But, opinions. [QUOTE=Grenadiac;47423962]For foxes, I wouldn't go less than .500 S&W, but you might be alright with a .460 Rowland [I]if[/I] the dire fox population has already been culled. Personally, I wouldn't take the chance. In seriousness, 9mm is fine, but personally I'd carry the largest gun you can conceal. Count on needing at least 10 shots and go from there. e: Out of curiosity, and not to start another 10 page lynching contest, why are you guys against carrying 1911s due to their low capacity but not revolvers with an even lower capacity? Is it just because there are higher capacity .45 semi-autos of the same size?[/QUOTE] People tend to think a 200 year old idea is better than a 100 year old idea, and that a fifty year old idea is better than the 100 year old idea, and only slightly better than the 200 year old idea, because it has 15 shots. But with less sarcasm: a lot of people think that a manual safety is going to get you killed, or that there's really ever a possibility of a grip safety getting you killed.