Firearms XII; Because Merica - General

Criminal Code, sections 99-101, it's considered a trafficking offense.

[QUOTE=SeppLainer;47453429]All I'm saying is that AR15.com probably caused the holocaust and I'm pretty sure they're connected with 9/11. Yea Arsenal and Saiga finishes wash off and thats a pretty shitty thing to happen for a $1,100 rifles (or $500 if you buy a trash-grade fudd-style Saiga). They're just not worth the money you put into them, plain and simple. And WASR's used to suck 5 years ago yea, but thats besides the point. For $1,100, you could buy a kick ass WASR, a kick ass overpriced Russian optic, and some nice furniture for the WASR. Or you could just buy a baseline arsenal whose paint is gonna come off if it gets damp. [editline]4th April 2015[/editline] To make a car comparison, if you drop 60 grand on a nice brand new BMW, and you use rainx car wash over the whole thing when you get home and the paint washes off, "well this is known to happen" isn't gonna be your response.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying your'e wrong, just acknowledging a perceived quality difference; frankly most of the Arsenal buyers get them because they are AK purists, and most of them still griped about the paint. Then again, if you can afford a correct kit build, you get it finished properly, or cerakoted. I forget who said it, but, expensive AKs are too pretty to shoot, so your best bet for an AK you'll enjoy is a Yugo, WASR or build your own. Definition of overpriced: From the factory AK-104 [url]https://www.legionusa.com/russian-ak-104-legion-usa-exclusive.html[/url] I agree, that $1k is a lot for an AK that is bone stock, but you look at every other AK variant out there (Galil, Galil ACE, SIG) and people pay through the nose for those too; I REALLY have a problem with dropping $2500 on a tacticooled out Krebs custom. To be fair to the Arfcom AK section, they do regularly recommend WASRs and Yugos for first time AK buyers and as project guns. Theses are people who run the gamut from Tula Krink build owners to guys with 20 AKs of every type, they don't discriminate, and they aren't afraid to spell out the pros and cons for you. That in mind, some of these people bought 2-3 SLR-104URs when they came out a year ago.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47456383]Criminal Code, sections 99-101, it's considered a trafficking offense.[/QUOTE] [quote]Weapons trafficking 99. (1) Every person commits an offence who (a) manufactures or transfers, whether or not for consideration, or (b) offers to do anything referred to in paragraph (a) in respect of a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, any ammunition or any prohibited ammunition [B]knowing that the person is not authorized to do so under the Firearms Act or any other Act of Parliament or any regulations made under any Act of Parliament.[/b][/quote] The firearms act allows me to possess ammunition and reload my own ammo, what the section you are referring to covers the [b]sale and transfers[/b] of ammunition unless authorized by the firearms act. 100 and 101 basically say the same thing and outline the punishments.

Firearms V. XIII: My Canadian Ammo Is More Legal Than Yours.

At the flea market I saw an odd looking rifle dating 1926 with I think Spanish markings. I asked what it was and the guy looked me dead in the eye and told me it was a German Mauser. I walked away. :v: (It wasn't even a Spanish Mauser) Another guy had a Colt 1903 hammerless in really good shape for $750, and a French MAB (model D) pistol in .32 ACP for $350. The Colt is outside of my price range, but does anyone have opinions on the MAB? I liked it, the grip was comfortable, but I'm not ready to put down any money until I do more research.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;47457002]I'm not saying your'e wrong, just acknowledging a perceived quality difference; frankly most of the Arsenal buyers get them because they are AK purists, and most of them still griped about the paint. Then again, if you can afford a correct kit build, you get it finished properly, or cerakoted. I forget who said it, but, expensive AKs are too pretty to shoot, so your best bet for an AK you'll enjoy is a Yugo, WASR or build your own. Definition of overpriced: From the factory AK-104 [url]https://www.legionusa.com/russian-ak-104-legion-usa-exclusive.html[/url] I agree, that $1k is a lot for an AK that is bone stock, but you look at every other AK variant out there (Galil, Galil ACE, SIG) and people pay through the nose for those too; I REALLY have a problem with dropping $2500 on a tacticooled out Krebs custom. To be fair to the Arfcom AK section, they do regularly recommend WASRs and Yugos for first time AK buyers and as project guns. Theses are people who run the gamut from Tula Krink build owners to guys with 20 AKs of every type, they don't discriminate, and they aren't afraid to spell out the pros and cons for you. That in mind, some of these people bought 2-3 SLR-104URs when they came out a year ago.[/QUOTE] If you're the kinda guy who jacks off the the fantasy of Kalshnikov getting butboned by Stalin, then maybe you can justify an Arsenal, otherwise don't bother. The whole "AK purism" thing is about as dumb as "Mosin purism". The shit some people do to AK's and Mosins (Lookin' at you archangel kit) is absolutely retarded, but crying about it is just as retarded. Also, SiG556 and 556r rifles aren't really at all comparable to AK's dood. They're long stroke gas systems and thats where the major similarities end. The SG has a adjustable gas system and the piston isn't even permanently attached to the bolt carrier, you can detach it for field stripping. It's like comparing a SVT-40 to an AR18 because they both use short stroke.

[QUOTE=SeppLainer;47453429]All I'm saying is that AR15.com probably caused the holocaust and I'm pretty sure they're connected with 9/11. Yea Arsenal and Saiga finishes wash off and thats a pretty shitty thing to happen for a $1,100 rifles (or $500 if you buy a trash-grade fudd-style Saiga). They're just not worth the money you put into them, plain and simple. And WASR's used to suck 5 years ago yea, but thats besides the point. For $1,100, you could buy a kick ass WASR, a kick ass overpriced Russian optic, and some nice furniture for the WASR. Or you could just buy a baseline arsenal whose paint is gonna come off if it gets damp. [editline]4th April 2015[/editline] To make a car comparison, if you drop 60 grand on a nice brand new BMW, and you use rainx car wash over the whole thing when you get home and the paint washes off, "well this is known to happen" isn't gonna be your response.[/QUOTE] Why do you feel that way? I got permabanned from that site about 4 years ago for a joke I posted, and I'm not as upset as you seem to be.

[QUOTE=SeppLainer;47458617]If you're the kinda guy who jacks off the the fantasy of Kalshnikov getting butboned by Stalin, then maybe you can justify an Arsenal, otherwise don't bother. The whole "AK purism" thing is about as dumb as "Mosin purism". The shit some people do to AK's and Mosins (Lookin' at you archangel kit) is absolutely retarded, but crying about it is just as retarded. Also, SiG556 and 556r rifles aren't really at all comparable to AK's dood. They're long stroke gas systems and thats where the major similarities end. The SG has a adjustable gas system and the piston isn't even permanently attached to the bolt carrier, you can detach it for field stripping. It's like comparing a SVT-40 to an AR18 because they both use short stroke.[/QUOTE] The SIG rifles are using a modified version of AK bolts and bolt carriers, much like the FN FNC; the mags even rock in on a SIG, they're glorified, overpriced, Swiss AK variants. Comparing the FN FAL and SVT-40 would be more accurate since they both use short stroke, tilting bolt. Sig SG550 (top), AK-47 (middle) and Sig SG552 [img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/11ea_450704202f_978ccdd_11cc_1b_59-tfb.jpg[/img] comparing an AK bolt with a SIG550 bolt [img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ebr_09-tfb.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/FNC/FNC_Bolt.jpg[/img] [img]http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m216/EvilFrankDude/AKs/86SFNCVEPRBCGs1.jpg[/img]

They use the same gas system with a tilting bolt so obviously the SG is a mere clone. :rolleyes: Again, aside from the gas system they're almost completely different. The SG even has an adjustable gas system and the ergo on the SG isn't even in the same tier as an AK. AK's also weren't the first gun to use mags that rock and lock btw. Calling an SG rifle an "Over glorified AK" is like calling 5.56 over glorified .22lr because they have similar bullet diameters. [editline]5th April 2015[/editline] Seriously have you ever owned, shot, or even handled one? The recoil on them is completely marginal in comparison to the AK.

[QUOTE=SeppLainer;47459397]They use the same gas system with a tilting bolt so obviously the SG is a mere clone. :rolleyes: Again, aside from the gas system they're almost completely different. The SG even has an adjustable gas system and the ergo on the SG isn't even in the same tier as an AK. AK's also weren't the first gun to use mags that rock and lock btw. Calling an SG rifle an "Over glorified AK" is like calling 5.56 over glorified .22lr because they have similar bullet diameters. [editline]5th April 2015[/editline] Seriously have you ever owned, shot, or even handled one? The recoil on them is completely marginal in comparison to the AK.[/QUOTE] I added that the mags were rock in because it solidified the comparison to an AK. Of course there are other guns that have rock and lock mags. I wasn't debating peripheral ergonomic features, obviously they differ, I was talking about the method and mechanics of function. There are AKs with "adjustable" gas systems; on for rifle fire, off for grenade launching. A lot of people called 5.56 a glorified .22lr poodle shooting caliber when it debuted. [QUOTE=SeppLainer;47459397]They use the same gas system with a tilting bolt so obviously the SG is a mere clone. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Wait, what? Neither the SIG or the AK have a tilting bolt. Yes, I've handled and shot them, triggers are awful. Glorified AKs.

I'm going to meet the guy tomorrow to see about trading my 1918 Lithy Enfield to him for his MAB pistol and some cash. I might be able to squeeze his 1903 Hammerless out of him instead though since it's also on the table. .303 is just not economical for me.

Anyone ever build an AK? I'd love to buy a russian parts kit and just use a Nodak spud reciever, russian selecter markimgs too, total slavaboo status

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;47460187]Anyone ever build an AK? I'd love to buy a russian parts kit and just use a Nodak spud reciever, russian selecter markimgs too, total slavaboo status[/QUOTE] There is very little reason to build Ak's today other than for the experience. The ATF has all but destroyed the affordable price of kits in an attempt to shutdown the importation market. The cost of tooling required and an actual Russian kit will easily put you around the $1,500 mark for one rifle. A few of the required tools include a drill press, 12-ton shop press, rivet jig, barrel jig, head space gauges, and 922r requirements.

[QUOTE=SeppLainer;47459397]They use the same gas system with a tilting bolt so obviously the SG is a mere clone. :rolleyes: Again, aside from the gas system they're almost completely different. The SG even has an adjustable gas system and the ergo on the SG isn't even in the same tier as an AK. AK's also weren't the first gun to use mags that rock and lock btw. Calling an SG rifle an "Over glorified AK" is like calling 5.56 over glorified .22lr because they have similar bullet diameters. [editline]5th April 2015[/editline] Seriously have you ever owned, shot, or even handled one? The recoil on them is completely marginal in comparison to the AK.[/QUOTE] [url]https://youtu.be/XeVugw9chcY[/url] Watch that.

[QUOTE=Ragy;47460461]There is very little reason to build Ak's today other than for the experience. The ATF has all but destroyed the affordable price of kits in an attempt to shutdown the importation market. The cost of tooling required and an actual Russian kit will easily put you around the $1,500 mark for one rifle. A few of the required tools include a drill press, 12-ton shop press, rivet jig, barrel jig, head space gauges, and 922r requirements.[/QUOTE] Okay come on let's be real on the 922r part. But like this one is for $650, 1969 Tula kit, all you need is a reciever and barrel. Couldn't you just borrow the tools somewhere?

[video=youtube;u7cmZZz5MqY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7cmZZz5MqY[/video] Apparently Russian's have Oil Filter Suppressors, too.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;47460543]Okay come on let's be real on the 922r part. But like this one is for $650, 1969 Tula kit, all you need is a reciever and barrel. Couldn't you just borrow the tools somewhere?[/QUOTE] Have you tried looking for build parties? They pop up from time to time in other forums.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;47460543]Okay come on let's be real on the 922r part. But like this one is for $650, 1969 Tula kit, all you need is a reciever and barrel. Couldn't you just borrow the tools somewhere?[/QUOTE] You might be able to rent from a machine shop or find a build party like lone star said. It's better to know people with those types of tools though, if you know people that regularly work on cars chances are they will have most of that stuff, sans the jigs and headspace gauges. Ask around.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;47460543]Okay come on let's be real on the 922r part. But like this one is for $650, 1969 Tula kit, all you need is a reciever and barrel. Couldn't you just borrow the tools somewhere?[/QUOTE] $650 - Tula kit $100 - Receiver $100 - Barrel $255 - Rivet Jigs $120 - 12-Ton Press $60 - Drill Press $100 - Drill Press Vice $70 - Headspace Gauges $1455 total and that's absolute bottom of the barrel prices, not including various other tools required such as reamers, rivets, drills, trigger, etc..., or even shipping. If you can borrow these tools and know what you're doing, then hell yea go for it, but building an AK variant rifle is [I]magnitudes[/I] more complex and pricey compared to assembling an AR-15. If you plan on building many, then you'll break even after probably 4-6 rifles. The days of $70 kits with barrels are long gone.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;47460067] Yes, I've handled and shot them, triggers are awful. Glorified AKs.[/QUOTE] I've seen you say some uninformed bullshit but this is by far the worst. gg

We both forgot it was Easter so we're going to have to do the swap at a later date.

[QUOTE=Ragy;47460627]$650 - Tula kit $100 - Receiver $100 - Barrel $255 - Rivet Jigs $120 - 12-Ton Press $60 - Drill Press $100 - Drill Press Vice $70 - Headspace Gauges $1455 total and that's absolute bottom of the barrel prices, not including various other tools required such as reamers, rivets, drills, trigger, etc..., or even shipping. If you can borrow these tools and know what you're doing, then hell yea go for it, but building an AK variant rifle is [I]magnitudes[/I] more complex and pricey compared to assembling an AR-15. If you plan on building many, then you'll break even after probably 4-6 rifles. The days of $70 kits with barrels are long gone.[/QUOTE] ilikecorn and I have both built AKs, he even loaned me his tools for my first build. If you want to build an AK, I'd suggest looking at buying a barreled/headspaced kit from AK builder like I was advised to. Russian kits have all but dried up or are far too expensive. My Bulgy AKS-74 build cost me about $700-800 Get the Tapco G2 for 922r, it is much better than the standard AK triggers. [url]http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=231[/url] You can check headspace using the tape method. You will need a vice, you don't necessarily need a drill press, but it will make your trunnion rivet holes straighter and prettier. Toth tool makes a barrel pushing/pulling device that doesn't require a press. [url]http://www.tothtool.com/AK47-Tools_c_1.html[/url] Here is the build series I was shown done with Toth tooling: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htj3MYj4OZo&list=PLdVd3Ak_wHYC73cSwSck8Wz4Nz8_kFuG8[/media]

922r sounds like the stupidest fucking thing, but the issue with it is if we had something like that here, it'd easily murder the firearms market in Canada, so I'm sure gun control advocates are looking at shit like that and thinking.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/5b3ZRkU.jpg?1[/img] 3rd group was headshots [img]http://i.imgur.com/LnLPJ9G.jpg?1[/img] controlled pairs at 25 yards, mostly just fucking around and trying to find a good spot to hold the gun for repetitive fire all shots made using a pk-01v on the lowest setting attached to a bulgarian ak-74. ammo was 70 grain 5.45 wolf shit

i said prior that i had some other guns but no pics to show them, well they're here now note i was goofing when i took the pics, so i look like a dunce, hence why i was being an idiot and teacupping the deagle [b][u]AR-15 HBAR Sporter[/u][/b] [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73775541/IMAG0068.jpg[/t] [b][u]Desert Eagle[/u][/b] [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73775541/IMAG0069.jpg[/t] [b][u]Mini Uzi[/u][/b] (worst pose) [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73775541/IMAG0071.jpg[/t]

Welp, I am taking a big leap. Attempting to sell a gun on GunBroker. The system seems to be helpful in setting up your item and so far I got 3 watchers. I hope this doesn't turn into a fiasco.

What're you trying to sell? One of us might have an interest.

[QUOTE=mastoner20;47465113]What're you trying to sell? One of us might have an interest.[/QUOTE] A Sub2000. Starting it off at $300 with a buy now for $450. I am including 1 fun stick with it.

[QUOTE=Moose;47463668] 3rd group was headshots controlled pairs at 25 yards, mostly just fucking around and trying to find a good spot to hold the gun for repetitive fire all shots made using a pk-01v on the lowest setting attached to a bulgarian ak-74. ammo was 70 grain 5.45 wolf shit[/QUOTE] Have you posted a pic of your 74' before? Do you hold it by the handguards or have you tried holding it by the mag like the russkis do? Having shot both ways, I like holding the mag if I don't have an AFG mounted.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;47465156]Have you posted a pic of your 74' before? Do you hold it by the handguards or have you tried holding it by the mag like the russkis do? Having shot both ways, I like holding the mag if I don't have an AFG mounted.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/K6Nl5M5.jpg?1[/img] I only hold it between the mag and the reciever gap when im standing, otherwise if im shooting supported/crouched/prone i'll use the handguards. The problem I am facing now is that this model of rifle is a ban-style variant with a fixed stock reciever, so I would have to modify the reciever for it to take a more practical stock which forces me to look for a cheekpad. A cheekpad I can't find :< plus i keep my ak74 tube cleaning kit in my plum stock so i dont want to get rid of it anyway