Firearms XII; Because Merica - General

For those that haven't heard, from Magpul's official Facebook page: "OK we screwed up. After initial release of the Glock PMAG 17 GL9 a few days ago we started seeing random issues of failure to feed with the new magazine in other Glock models, primarily the Glock 19 and 26. Of all the challenges of building a Glock magazine with a single new composite, issues like drop free, impact strength and feed lip retention were foremost on our mind. The failure to feed came as a bit of a surprise to us and we immediately headed out to the range to investigate. In short order we found the problem. Without getting into technical details, some small, but critical geometry changes did not make it into the initial production molds. We should have caught this but no failures showed up on our factory guns during live fire testing and flaws in our internal processes of checks/balances did not flag the oversight as it should. So as I said before, we screwed up and here is what we are going to do about it. Molds are being updated with the correct geometry as we speak and a replacement magazine body with the correct geometry should be available by May 4th, 2015. These will be date coded 5/15 or later and will replace any magazine bodies in service of earlier manufacture. Just use your existing spring, follower, and floor plate with the new body. -If you purchased your magazines direct from Magpul, Brownells or Midway, you do not need to do anything, replacement magazine bodies for the magazines ordered (1 for 1) will be shipped to you automatically. -If you purchased your magazines from a gun store, replacement bodies will be sent out to the store in question for you to pick up. -If neither of the above works for you then Magpul customer service will handle the replacement directly. In short, we are updating ALL of the affected magazines released as quick as we possibly can. Richard Fitzpatrick President/CEO -Magpul Industries Corp"

The AA-12, SOCOM Model [url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/04/16/potd-exclusive-the-aa-12-socom-model/[/url] [img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/aa12-socom1-920x521.jpg[/img]

Just look at all those comments: "So what game is this from?" "I definitely want to level up in CoD to get that." "Who exactly is fielding this?" >>"Airsofters I think." :v: [editline]17th April 2015[/editline] Apparently the guy who owns the design refuses to make a semi-auto version because it scares him. If he sold a semi-auto version to sell to civilians he would actually have enough money to do something with it. The civilian market is far larger than the US market for a shotgun anyway.

[QUOTE=download;47542712]Just look at all those comments: "So what game is this from?" "I definitely want to level up in CoD to get that." "Who exactly is fielding this?" >>"Airsofters I think." :v: [editline]17th April 2015[/editline] Apparently the guy who owns the design refuses to make a semi-auto version [B]because it scares him. [/B]If he sold a semi-auto version to sell to civilians he would actually have enough money to do something with it. The civilian market is far larger than the US market for a shotgun anyway.[/QUOTE] wat.

[QUOTE=Camwi_003;47542933]wat.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to find an actual source but that's what I heard. It does explain why the designer hasn't cashed in on civilian market.

Why it would scare him is beyond me. It isn't like the civilian market doesn't already have magazine fed semi auto shotguns.

[QUOTE=download;47542712]If he sold a semi-auto version to sell to civilians he would actually have enough money to do something with it. The civilian market is far larger than the US market for a shotgun anyway.[/QUOTE] Don't you mean the civilian market is much larger than the military and police market? Even if he made a civilian version, a lot of other countries would just flat out ban it because it has scary detachable mags and drums. In response to Gunfox, The major US firearm manufactures are scared shitless to develop a better box mag fed shotgun. They are afraid that it will be labeled as a destructive device and thus all their hard work would be money down the drain. It's a safer bet for the companies to have the other countries import their box fed shotguns since the US companies will not lose out if the shotguns get banned/restricted.

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;47543157]Don't you mean the civilian market is much larger than the military and police market? Even if he made a civilian version, a lot of other countries would just flat out ban it because it has scary detachable mags and drums.[/QUOTE] I meant the civilian market in the US is far larger than the US Military for a shotgun. The rest of the world's civilian markets don't really matter and many allow the Saiga 12 to be owned. [editline]17th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;47543148]Why it would scare him is beyond me. It isn't like the civilian market doesn't already have magazine fed semi auto shotguns.[/QUOTE] I dunno, maybe he's like Ruger in the 90s before their founder bit the dust thinking there is no need for a civilian to own something like this?

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Thompson_21_and_Rifle.JPG[/IMG] [b]Pictured:[/b] A Thompson "Auto-Rifle" in 7.62x54R

I'm starting to really want a Mosin, so what would be a good price for a good quality Finn M39?

[QUOTE=zombini;47546012]I'm starting to really want a Mosin, so what would be a good price for a good quality Finn M39?[/QUOTE] I see around 350 on Gun Broker. Have you considered the M44? They go for around 250 and they're a good length compared to the 91/30

I'd buy a semi-auto AA-12, but isn't the AA-12 open bolt? That'd render it essentially illegal without modifications that would potentially make it less reliable as well as doing away with one of the top features that sets it apart from other auto shotguns. It'd probably also significantly increase the cost of production. Right now the AA-12 has an edge in that being open bolt it is a very simple action and can be manufactured cheaply. All of these might explain why he's 'afraid' to create a semi-automatic model for civilian usage. I fucking love AA-12s, though. I wish there was a way to own one without jumping through hoops with licenses and shit. Practicality aside, there's something inherently awesome about it.

The entire point of the open bolt for the AA12 is that the shell is set off before the bolt fully closes. With shell going off earlier than other shotguns, it helps reduce felt recoil. The mass of the bolt is still moving forward counter acting the recoil from the shell. Turning it into a closed bolt semi-auto defeats this design.

[QUOTE=Original User;47546084]I see around 350 on Gun Broker. Have you considered the M44? They go for around 250 and they're a good length compared to the 91/30[/QUOTE] I'm looking for overall quality. Finn Mosins are way better than Soviet ones. An M39 will out shoot the highest grade Soviet ones, but are rarer. There's no point buying a gun if you can only get modest accuracy out of it, so i'm gonna go for the M39.

Apparently I pissed off some dude that REALLY REALLY REALLY fucking loves ISSF "competitive" shooting videos. Inbox has been getting blown up by him for the past few days. He think's it's hard to get a decent grouping with a .22 at 50m. He's trying to defend? I guess, the shooters in the video, saying it takes a lot of skill because of wind, sun glare, dust, humidity, etc. The people in the ISSF video are shooting indoors with thousands+ dollar .22 rifles. How is that a valid argument in their defense?

[QUOTE=download;47542712]Just look at all those comments: "So what game is this from?" "I definitely want to level up in CoD to get that." "Who exactly is fielding this?" >>"Airsofters I think." :v:[/QUOTE] I can agree with this commenter's sentiment: "The thought of firing full-auto 12 gauge mini-grenades makes me wet. -Anon. E Maus"

[QUOTE=zombini;47546012]I'm starting to really want a Mosin, so what would be a good price for a good quality Finn M39?[/QUOTE] $450-500+ Check here, they have a lot in that price range in great condition: [url]https://www.gunsnammo.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;47546316]The entire point of the open bolt for the AA12 is that the shell is set off before the bolt fully closes. With shell going off earlier than other shotguns, it helps reduce felt recoil. The mass of the bolt is still moving forward counter acting the recoil from the shell. Turning it into a closed bolt semi-auto defeats this design.[/QUOTE] Kinda like how the Kriss Vector is designed to mitigate recoil in bursts. Pointless design in semi auto.

Even in 2 round burst, it fucks up the impact zones. 2nd shot always goes way low. It's better for sustained firing if anything.

[QUOTE=darunner;47549882]Kinda like how the Kriss Vector is designed to mitigate recoil in bursts. [B]Pointless design in semi auto.[/B][/QUOTE] I wouldn't be so daft to say it is "pointless" however I would agree that it has limited benefit over a conventional design, like the CZ Scorpion EVO 3.

[QUOTE=download;47542712]Just look at all those comments: "So what game is this from?" "I definitely want to level up in CoD to get that." "Who exactly is fielding this?" >>"Airsofters I think." :v: [editline]17th April 2015[/editline] Apparently the guy who owns the design refuses to make a semi-auto version because it scares him. If he sold a semi-auto version to sell to civilians he would actually have enough money to do something with it. The civilian market is far larger than the US market for a shotgun anyway.[/QUOTE] he was going to sell semi-autos in the '70s but didn't get enough preorders and lost a buttload of money over the deal, so now he's afraid of that happening again. he's not scared of civilians having semi-auto shotguns, there were already a trillion designs out there by the time the thing came out

I like your bullet collection prusse, you ever check out libertytreecollectors? Lots of weird ammo there, like gyrojet ammo. Dunno if they ship overseas though Just bought a Aimpoint Comp 2 (M68) for $320. It comes with all the military issue shit, I'm almost positive it was taken right out of an armory. Some military gear can be written off if it's not needed anymore, how I get some of my stuff from work.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;47560199]I like your bullet collection prusse, you ever check out libertytreecollectors? Lots of weird ammo there, like gyrojet ammo. Dunno if they ship overseas though Just bought a Aimpoint Comp 2 (M68) for $320. It comes with all the military issue shit, I'm almost positive it was taken right out of an armory. Some military gear can be written off if it's not needed anymore, how I get some of my stuff from work.[/QUOTE] remember a few years back when a bunch of USMC marked KAC 600ms flooded the market? that's how I got my rear sight on my AR15. $75 for a KAC 600m is the sort of thing you can't just pass up

Gyrojet projectiles are really expensive and rare. 75$ for a single 13mm round.

Found an unmatching SMLE with an impeccable bore for $400 here in Australia during my lunch break. I bought it. Considering prices right now I think I did well

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47552827]i know most of you aren't more into cartridges than "muh mosin shoots 54r" but some of you might like this little gem. [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22107915/Patroner/finsk_spotter/hylsex2-patron.jpg[/t] finnish cartridge for m72 practice systems (66 KES 88 is the Finnish designation for the M72A5). 7,65 casing taking a spitzer .308 bullet with a tracer. pretty interesting design- Norway and Sweden uses 9x19 rounds with similar system, reduced load with a tracer bullet.[/QUOTE] Actually, most of us that are on this page are more into the engineering side than the "typical" shooter is. If I'm understanding your metric correctly - You're saying this is a Necked Down .32 ACP with a .308 bullet? That sounds like a very fun plinking/varmint round that could easily be loaded to capacity with Red Dot or Unique powder.

Well my entire job is building munitions, I know what you're talking about.

So, evidently you can buy 54R HEI rounds... Granted at 15 bucks per round, and it's already out of stock.

Should I get a Benelli Nova for my first shotgun? I have fired a Benelli M2 and I loved it. The Nova at a glance seems to be a pump-version of the M2. Also, ghost-ring sights are sweet.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47561355]Camwi, sorry, misread your post while eating breakfast. It's a 7,65x21 Parabellum case, in the US .30 Luger. Nuclear, what do you do? [editline]20th April 2015[/editline] .32acp is 7,65x17mmSR Browning btw[/QUOTE] I'm in USAF building mostly bombs and missiles, but we deal with any munitions the military uses.