Firearms XII; Because Merica - General

Theres a difference between wasting my time/money "accurizing" it and dropping 60$ for a recrown and rubbing the trigger with a piece of 1000grit sandpaper for shits n giggles [editline]6th May 2015[/editline] and a 60$ scope

[QUOTE=Birdman101;47675259]Theres a difference between wasting my time/money "accurizing" it and dropping 60$ for a recrown and rubbing the trigger with a piece of 1000grit sandpaper for shits n giggles [editline]6th May 2015[/editline] and a 60$ scope[/QUOTE] thats actually the definition of "wasting time". Next thing you know you'll be buying a clamp on muzzle brake and a ATI Monte Carlo stock.

If he wants to make a bubba gun, let him. It's only a mosin. There are worse things you could attempt to do a home gunsmithing job to. It's great for learning how to work on guns without destroying something more valuable. Experience can be a better teacher than any book or thread online.

noooooooo huge heavy stock, steel buttplate, scuffes up varnish, 2 foot muzzleflash, and the sound of a bolt of lightning stiking a semtex facotry is what I like to call "rustic charm" [editline]6th May 2015[/editline] and I hargdly think putting a long eye releif scope on a nugget qualifies it as bubba material

Next Moist Nugget I get ( You can't own just one) I plan on some mods. It's never a waste of time, and it's always a fun learning experience.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;47675561] and I hardly think putting a long eye relief scope on a nugget qualifies it as bubba material[/QUOTE] Depending on the mount, it can look pretty off. Brass Stacker comes to mind.

Going to get an HK USP .45 today, pictures will be posted later.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;47675561]noooooooo huge heavy stock, steel buttplate, scuffes up varnish, 2 foot muzzleflash, and the sound of a bolt of lightning stiking a semtex facotry is what I like to call "rustic charm" [editline]6th May 2015[/editline] and I hargdly think putting a long eye releif scope on a nugget qualifies it as bubba material[/QUOTE] Put a brass stacker mount on the mosin. Anything else is just a waste of money. [editline]7th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Lone_Star94;47675553]If he wants to make a bubba gun, let him. It's only a mosin. There are worse things you could attempt to do a home gunsmithing job to. It's great for learning how to work on guns without destroying something more valuable. Experience can be a better teacher than any book or thread online.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying hes a bad person for tweaking his gun, I'm just saying he's wasting his time.

I know for a first rifle a solid choice is something cheap in .22, however I cant shake the feeling that if I got a nugget I would come to love it. Its like when I first shot pistols, the smaller ones were objectively nicer to shoot but the 1911 just was ridiculous enough to be fun. And while it hurt my hands a bit it was worth it to see the muzzle flash and get a sense of the power of the thing.

[QUOTE=mecaguy03;47676614]I know for a first rifle a solid choice is something cheap in .22, however I cant shake the feeling that if I got a nugget I would come to love it. Its like when I first shot pistols, the smaller ones were objectively nicer to shoot but the 1911 just was ridiculous enough to be fun. And while it hurt my hands a bit it was worth it to see the muzzle flash and get a sense of the power of the thing.[/QUOTE] mosins don't kick all that hard, they're just popular with new shooters who have different definitions of "kicks like a mule" than those of us who grew up shooting .30-06 do. they do have a steel buttplate and a miserably short LOP, so it couldn't hurt to get a rubber butt pad anyway. they're about 2 inches shorter than I like

The rubber pads add an inch.

[QUOTE=SpookNuke;47676585]Put a brass stacker mount on the mosin. Anything else is just a waste of money. [editline]7th May 2015[/editline] I'm not saying hes a bad person for tweaking his gun, I'm just saying he's wasting his time.[/QUOTE] Yeah I got a brass stacker for it. I don't think it looks too terribly bad and I like how its raised enough that you can still use the ironsights. Mosins don't really kick that much, but it makes a big intimidating noise. I think the kickiest thing I've shot is my friends 50 cal muzzleloader. He's a pretty big guy and it put him on his ass the first time.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47677167]get a cz452 in 22lr for your first gun. anything else is stupid and people who tell you otherwise have no clue (get a mosin! get an ar! get an ak! are all idiot replies)[/QUOTE] I agree that everyone should start with a .22lr rifle but you really need to come off your high horse if you think that specific rifle is the only acceptable answer. Plus, if you already have experience with big bore handguns like he does, I don't think something like a 20" AR is really that big of a jump because the recoil is mostly negligible and if you have the discipline to not just mag dump and actually learn to shoot properly the only real downside is that the ammo is more expensive. As a side note, the Mosin-Nagant has kind of ran it's course, it's a pretty shitty rifle to shoot to begin with (the 91/30s everyone buys anyways) and it's become so expensive that there's not much of a reason to not just jump the price gap and get something that isn't a fucking log that you have to beat into battery with a brick.

I don't think "your first" gun makes much of a difference unless you're unsure if you want to pursue the hobby, in which case a big gun that hurts you because you aren't familiar with firearms might put you off.

I got mine right before the nugget surplus dried up. I got two for 100 bucks each. Both packed in cosmoline and the one I got for my dad had a massive deep rust hole in the bottom of the barrel under the stock. That was a pretty good reason to get cabelas to break their no returns rule.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47677322]I don't think "your first" gun makes much of a difference unless you're unsure if you want to pursue the hobby, in which case a big gun that hurts you because you aren't familiar with firearms might put you off.[/QUOTE] It's best to learn shooting habits with a weapon that's cheap to shoot (so you can practice a lot) and easy to work with in regards to recoil and operation (so you can refine your understandings of the basics). There's also an argument to be made that manual actions might be better for learning because they encourage you to take your time.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47677333]Find me a .22lr rifle at the same price as the CZ452 (new or used) which offers out-of-the-box <10mm @ 50m group precision with CCI standard.[/QUOTE] My Marlin Model 60 is more fun to me than any bolt action .22. The firearms hobby isn't all about the price-precision ratio, and from your posts in this thread I think you need to realize that.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47677370]some of us actually aspire to do more than plink and shoot cardboard at 20 metres, believe it or not. i still have fun with my guns even though i find precision and hunting interesting[/QUOTE] Okay, that's you. Some people don't have a terrible lot of money and the difference between a $200 rifle and a $450+ rifle that doesn't do much more for them is quite a lot to justify for a hobby they haven't even gotten into. The difference between 3/4ths of an inch and 1/3rd of an inch at 50 yards isn't going to matter much shooting squirrels with a .22. You're really quick to generalize everyone else as lesser.

Prusse, I have precision rifles and I have plinking rifles. My guns range from $120 to $2500. Some are brand new, some are 100+ years old. They're all fun and interesting in their own ways. You have such a ridiculously fucking big head about yourself it's unreal. New shooters should start with an easy plinker, the caliber doesn't matter. You won't be picking flies off squirrels from 400 yards with any rifle if you're brand new and that's a fact, so you should start with something that's fun to shoot and some cheap targets to ease yourself into the hobby.

I really didn't expect to buy any firearms today, but I bought a 590. [t]http://imgkk.com/i/zl0r.jpg[/t] I know you all really just wanted to see my gloves though.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47677333]Find me a .22lr rifle at the same price as the CZ452 (new or used) which offers out-of-the-box <10mm @ 50m group precision with CCI standard.[/QUOTE] I put down clovers at 100 yards with my mossberg 702

[QUOTE=mastermaul;47679910]I really didn't expect to buy any firearms today, but I bought a 590. [t]http://imgkk.com/i/zl0r.jpg[/t] I know you all really just wanted to see my gloves though.[/QUOTE] Heat shield hnng I almost bought a Cruiser just to have a shotgun with a heat shield. I love the look.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47680056]Heat shield hnng I almost bought a Cruiser just to have a shotgun with a heat shield. I love the look.[/QUOTE] I wish I could have the 590 everyone wishes they had but you wouldn't believe how difficult it is to find this kind of furniture. [t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/87/c6/f3/87c6f3a32a2ad98036cd6c91e73c6d69.jpg[/t]

The 590's furniture should be interchangeable with 500 pattern shotguns. Just buy an old 500 with wood and swap the pieces. Different story with a 590A1. Needs to have a modified pump fore end.

i can never bring myself to buy a shotgun thats over $100 i look at buying a 590 for that exact wooden look or a 590a1 for the polymer look but everytime i see it costs $400, i think about all the other shit i could buy that i would use way more. a shotgun is pretty limited in uses but any shotgun that has the barrel and the tube end together makes me jizz

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47677370]some of us actually aspire to do more than plink and shoot cardboard at 20 metres, believe it or not. i still have fun with my guns even though i find precision and hunting interesting [/QUOTE] Not everyone here gets tight groupings so they can use them for jack off material like you do. The difference between our shooting culture and yours comes down to one thing; fun divided by cost and time invested. For an American, base cost to have fun with a gun is about $150. $100 or so for a 22lr rifle, $25 for ammo and targets, and $25 or so for taxes and transfer fees. Takes less than an hour to walk into a store and out of it with a gun and ammo. You can go shooting anywhere outside of a city, as long as you can do so safely and with a property owners permission. Theres indoor and outdoor ranges all over the US and most people live within 30 minutes of a range of some sort. Going to most of these ranges requires no licensing or permits or membership or government dictation whatsoever; it's absolutely cheap and convenient to have fun with firearms in the US For you and people who live in countries similar to Norway, I'm sure you've invested substantially more time and money to get your proper licensing and waiting periods before you even fired your rifle for the first time. Not many Americans have had to jump through legal hoops to buy a gun. Thats why your country's firearms culture is based more around precision shooting and hunting than ours is. Your country's firearms community really only consists of people who are genuinely interested in firearms and shooting, and not just some guy who wants to pick off some tin cans when hes bored after work. So, with our cultures being absolutely and completely different in almost every regard, quit acting like such a prick towards all of us just because we don't try to shove our micropenis' through our ultra-tight 22lr groupings like you do.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;47680664]i can never bring myself to buy a shotgun thats over $100 i look at buying a 590 for that exact wooden look or a 590a1 for the polymer look but everytime i see it costs $400, i think about all the other shit i could buy that i would use way more. a shotgun is pretty limited in uses but any shotgun that has the barrel and the tube end together makes me jizz[/QUOTE] Dude, there is no way you are going to get a shotgun for $100 that is a pump action. If there was one, it would be a parts gun and rusted to shit. Totally useless and worthless. Pony up a couple Bens and you can get a good used shotgun.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47677333]Find me a .22lr rifle at the same price as the CZ452 (new or used) which offers out-of-the-box <10mm @ 50m group precision with CCI standard.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Carbine/models.html[/url] $23 cheaper

Actually, if you go to really good small-town ma'n'paw gun shops in the south, you usually can find pretty good savages and some old Remingtons for about $75-150. It's really not that hard to do. Yes, you can tell a difference between them and a $900 Ithaca or $1.5k Benelli, but a shotgun's a shotgun. It's not like it's designed to be a Prusse rifle.

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;47681099]Dude, there is no way you are going to get a shotgun for $100 that is a pump action. If there was one, it would be a parts gun and rusted to shit. Totally useless and worthless. Pony up a couple Bens and you can get a good used shotgun.[/QUOTE] Dude lol I have a $100 pump shotgun. It's a High Standard (870 clone) Bought it at a pawn shop for $100 exactly It's got some surface rust but the barrel is fine, smoothbore anyway, and shoots fine. I shoot skeet with it occasionally. I can't justify buying a new shotgun, at least for me. [editline]7th May 2015[/editline] Same place is where I got my single barrel shotgun I chopped down to the legal minimum for $50