[QUOTE=Grenadiac;46960111]The ATF looks at double barrels as two separate guns as far as I know - two barrels, two hammers, two triggers.[/QUOTE]
But what if it was one trigger, and some sort of two hammers welded as one?
This must be investigated for reasons.
Welcome to the glory of the BATF system. Trying to game the system is what happened to the spring loaded bump fire stocks and the arm brace. It gets banned. Don't push your luck unless you have loads of money and the best legal defense team on the planet.
Even then, the ATF will just move the goal line again and change their decisions on a whim.
One of the main reasons I don't buy into these "fads" as i call it.
Its funny, I've seen A LOT of people trying to sell AR Pistols and nobody wants to touch them atm. If you want something like that you're just gonna have to do it the proper way, takes time and money but at least you'll get to use and keep the gun you build. Rather then having some piece of junk.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46960889]But what if it was one trigger, and some sort of two hammers welded as one?
This must be investigated for reasons.[/QUOTE]
I think derringers or other 2 shot weapons are fine, but more than that on one trigger is a destructive device.
I say this because they make a "beehive" 40mm shell that shoots 6 or 8 or more rds of .22lr at once.
[url]http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2009/10/13/the-beehive-hornets-nest-40mm-10x-22lr-adapter/[/url]
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=MR-X;46961012]One of the main reasons I don't buy into these "fads" as i call it.
Its funny, I've seen A LOT of people trying to sell AR Pistols and nobody wants to touch them atm. If you want something like that you're just gonna have to do it [b]the proper way[/b], takes time and money but at least you'll get to use and keep the gun you build. Rather then having some piece of junk.[/QUOTE]
This is the problem, it isn't the proper way, and considering the ATF, what's "proper" today isn't tomorrow.
The whole NFA isn't proper, and shouldn't be referred to as such; it just so happens to be the current way they make us dance to the tune of their fiddle at their whim.
Who knows, maybe they'll want your first born child or a night with your wife next, and it will just so happen to carry the force of law.
Don't blame the people who come up with creative ways to skirt it, blame the idiots who flout the law with those creations (the guy who told the ATF he was going to make an illegal SBR then put an arm brace on it and got this whole thing kicked off.) and the idiots who created and passed the NFA, and the nutjobs who re-invent these decrees on a whim.
[QUOTE=Inplabth;46960918]It'd be a machine gun then probably. The ATF's definition of a machine gun is a gun that fires more than one round per action of the trigger.[/QUOTE]
The ATF really doesn't wanna make this easy do they? You know what, time to make a shotgun shell that is just two twelve gauge shells welded together with a bit of metal or plastic. Sorta like a speedloader.
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=MAC21500;46961096]I think derringers or other 2 shot weapons are fine, but more than that on one trigger is a destructive device.
I say this because they make a "beehive" 40mm shell that shoots 6 or 8 or more rds of .22lr at once.
[url]http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2009/10/13/the-beehive-hornets-nest-40mm-10x-22lr-adapter/[/url]
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I FUCKING WANT ONE
.50 cal assault rifle.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywh3OH8sHQM[/media]
Legal across Canada :)
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;46961411].50 cal assault rifle.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywh3OH8sHQM[/media][/QUOTE]
KORD laughs at you, not even full auto, is not assault rifle.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwu3ivAJ68U[/media]
Dat muzzle report and barrel movement, do.
[url]www.armynavydeals.com[/url] is having a 50% off literally everything sale. I bought some new booots
Decided not to build another AR, going to buy coilovers for my car instead (again).
So CZ's new scorpion "pistol" is slated to hit the market pretty soon, and is gonna retail for around $850 at launch. I figure it'll settle down to around $750 after 6 months to a year. I'm heavily considering buying one and making it an SBR project.
SHOT Show coverage starts today. Not really hearing much chatter on what's going to be revealed but I'm still excited to see what's on the horizon.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46966091]So CZ's new scorpion "pistol" is slated to hit the market pretty soon, and is gonna retail for around $850 at launch. I figure it'll settle down to around $750 after 6 months to a year. I'm heavily considering buying one and making it an SBR project.[/QUOTE]
The pre orders have already shipped, some for over the msrp, and some with only 10 and 20 rd mags. I still want to get one with the sig brace, then ill already have the adapter for an m4 stock post sbr.
Also, CZ is still figuring out 922r for them with the ATF, so that will determine whether the original stock comes in or not.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;46966371]The pre orders have already shipped, some for over the msrp, and some with only 10 and 20 rd mags. I still want to get one with the sig brace, then ill already have the adapter for an m4 stock post sbr.
[/QUOTE]
Yea there was a dealer in Tallahassee that was selling pre-orders at around $1,600 :v:. Which thats why I'll wait a while before I bother with one.
[QUOTE=camaroni;46966139]SHOT Show coverage starts today. Not really hearing much chatter on what's going to be revealed but I'm still excited to see what's on the horizon.[/QUOTE]
Giselle announced new AK trigger groups last week, hoping to see more about that.
[URL="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/19/utm-introduces-civilian-training-marker-conversion-kits/"]Companies are starting to make paintball simunition for civilian use[/URL]
paintball and airsoft just got a fuck ton more entertaining.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46957461]its pretty funny how a lot of people are starting to sell off their AK and AR pistols now that the BATFE slapped that shit down. This is why you don't buy into fads.[/QUOTE]
I love it, I've been wanting an ak pistol for ages
There was a 300blk AR pistol that popped up on FGT for like $550. ar15.com people are fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=darunner;46969023]Giselle announced new AK trigger groups last week, hoping to see more about that.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3YBJMkcTQg&feature=youtu.be&t=18m12s[/media]
[editline]20th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46969302][URL="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/19/utm-introduces-civilian-training-marker-conversion-kits/"]Companies are starting to make paintball simunition for civilian use[/URL]
paintball and airsoft just got a fuck ton more entertaining.[/QUOTE]
Simunitions existed before, but this puts it into an affordable range, even though .60 cents per round is akin to shooting .308.
[editline]20th January 2015[/editline]
Radom MSBS (AKA that Polish ACR clone) will be coming to the US civvy market!
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/19/radom-msbs-coming-us-market/[/url]
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/19/sig-p-220-elite-10mm/[/url]
As long as they offer conversion kits, I'm sold.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46969302][URL="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/19/utm-introduces-civilian-training-marker-conversion-kits/"]Companies are starting to make paintball simunition for civilian use[/URL]
paintball and airsoft just got a fuck ton more entertaining.[/QUOTE]
Can't wait to airsoft with real guns :v:
I might pick some up for my AR.
e: but not at $300 for the bolt fuck off guys
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;46972738]Can't wait to airsoft with real guns :v:
I might pick some up for my AR.
e: but not at $300 for the bolt fuck off guys[/QUOTE]
IIRC, I don't think it is required. It is more of just a safety feature to prevent live lethal rounds from being chambered.
However, $300 could be the difference between an awesome time, and a really bad mistake.
[editline]20th January 2015[/editline]
Also, can anyone tell me the difference between an "AR scope" and a regular scope you'd mount on your favorite bolt-action? I've never actually handled an AR scope.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46969302][URL="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/19/utm-introduces-civilian-training-marker-conversion-kits/"]Companies are starting to make paintball simunition for civilian use[/URL]
paintball and airsoft just got a fuck ton more entertaining.[/QUOTE]
I very strongly doubt it. Most paintball/airsoft venues are required to have liability insurance and good luck getting insured when you are having people bring live firearms with the express intent of shooting at each other.
Considering the kinds of inept people I see at airsoft fields, I sure as hell wouldn't trust them not to fuck up and bring/load lethal ammo and BCG. Unfortunately just being a gun owner doesn't guarantee being a responsible and safe gun owner.
Plus you've got the cost of ammo. Quite a few police forces and even contingents of the National Guard have switched from sims to airsoft for reasons of cost. That ammo is $30 for a box of 50, so if you go through 600 rounds in a day you're looking at $360 in ammo plus whatever exorbitant fees would be charged for the game. $400+ per game is not going to draw people away from airsoft games that cost thirty bucks for a day, especially when airsoft engineering is getting to the point where the guns are realistic enough that they can be used for honest-to-god training. The civilian market has been slow to adopt airsoft for training, I think due more to snobbery than anything else, but it is catching on, especially with people like Travis Haley as proponents.
This ammo will be good for practice in the backyard and [I]maybe[/I] private security contractors or sanctioned training programs for civilians, but not as a game.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;46973395]what the fuck is "AR scope" supposed to be?
1-4x24 scopes?[/QUOTE]
I have no clue, that's why I was asking. My best guess is that they were built to accommodate a front post, or that they had built-in picatinny mounts. But I also know that they make rifle scope mounts with picatinny support, so I don't know why they're any different.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;46973588]I have no clue, that's why I was asking. My best guess is that they were built to accommodate a front post, or that they had built-in picatinny mounts. But I also know that they make rifle scope mounts with picatinny support, so I don't know why they're any different.[/QUOTE]
Bushnell makes the "AR Optics" line, which are just scopes whose drop compensation is specifically calibrated for .223 or .308 out of AR platforms, depending on if it's an AR/223 or AR/308 model, and that usually come with mounts high enough for mounting them on an AR, as you need some high-ass mounts.
[URL="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/20/kel-tecs-new-sub2000-ver-2-0/"]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/20/kel-tecs-new-sub2000-ver-2-0/[/URL]
Keltec managed to take an ugly design and make it uglier. I'm impressed. At least they fixed the front sight.
Has anyone heard anything about the HK293 recently?
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;46974243][URL="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/20/kel-tecs-new-sub2000-ver-2-0/"]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/20/kel-tecs-new-sub2000-ver-2-0/[/URL]
Keltec managed to take an ugly design and make it uglier. I'm impressed. At least they fixed the front sight.[/QUOTE]
I want one.
I just want the front sight. Unfortunately the upgrades on the V2.0 Sub2ks are not compatible with the old sub2ks.
I always thought the sub2k would look cool as a stamped steel weapon with wood furniture, it'd look like a volkssturmgewehr reject
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