[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf03JFTOxIc"]https://youtu.be/Bf03JFTOxIc?t=4m17s[/URL]
That video pretty much brings up all the short-comings of a revolver, and that's with the user being an experienced fire-arms instructor.
Capacity.
I mean sure, they "simulated" body armor, which is extremely rare in the exception of high-stake robberies/assault.
Are revolvers reliable? Sure, so are hundreds of semi-autos on the market.
On the other hand, six .357 mags to the chest is really all you're going to need in a self defense scenario so I guess it's up to the individual.
To say either is strictly better is arrogant if you ask me. Different guns suit different people's needs and preferences. Myself, I'm a semi automatic man.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;47790085]Revolvers still have their place. For example you can't limp wrist a revolver and cause a jam like you can a semi-auto.[/QUOTE]
Isn't limp-wristing something you shouldn't be doing anyways in a life or death situation?
[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;47790455]Isn't limp-wristing something you shouldn't be doing anyways in a life or death situation?[/QUOTE]
Or at all?
Hello, Gentlemen and ladies.
AEK-906 Nosorog Revolver. Where can i find a side image of this that aren't 200x400? I don't know any firearm sites that would have this type thing and I'm hoping that you could point me in a better direction than Google.
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[QUOTE=download;47792296]Google images > Search tools > Larger than ...
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Yeah, I have that one but It's totally different.
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It should look like this but everything is wrong about it.
Well, I'm not a psychic.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47790408]On the other hand, six .357 mags to the chest is really all you're going to need in a self defense scenario so I guess it's up to the individual.
To say either is strictly better is arrogant if you ask me. Different guns suit different people's needs and preferences. Myself, I'm a semi automatic man.[/QUOTE]
It's not arrogant to say that a semiautomatic is strictly better than a revolver, it's an undeniable fact. If anyone thinks otherwise, it's naivety, ignorance, or stupidity. You can prefer a revolver over a semiautomatic, thats fine and dandy, but that doesn't make it any less silly to use one for self defense.
[QUOTE=download;47792296]Google images > Search tools > Larger than ...
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that's a mp412 frame
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47792367]It's not arrogant to say that a semiautomatic is strictly better than a revolver, it's an undeniable fact. If anyone thinks otherwise, it's naivety, ignorance, or stupidity. You can prefer a revolver over a semiautomatic, thats fine and dandy, but that doesn't make it any less silly to use one for self defense.[/QUOTE]
I very much despise starting arguments for arguments' sake; but a revolver does have its uses, I think. If I had to pick between jamming a typical 9mm semiautomatic or a six-shooter in my seat gap while travelling, I would definitely prefer the revolver. My reasoning, and the reasoning of my father's side of the family (Again, not experienced firearms enthusiasts, just truckers, laborers, and other employs that typically carry for defense) is that there's simply more parts to break in a semiauto.
I'm aware of the benefits of a semiautomatic, and I do think they're technologically superior to a revolver, but aside from swapping out a firing pin, I've never run into any issues with a revolver that I would expect to run into with a semiautomatic weapon. And that's a big part of the appeal; having something you can load and slide into your dash or under your seat and leave it there for a length of time. Exposure to elements, typical travelling dirt &etc.. I have & continue to recommend revolvers to anyone who is going to have a gun for the "just-in-case".
And, again, I'm not a firearms enthusiast the same way as (I'm sure) some of you guys on the forums here. I have limited experience. I love semi-automatic & automatic weapons, I absolutely think they have their place... but sitting in a seat-gap is not that place. Sometimes you just need a knife, not a broadsword.
[quote]Sometimes you just need a knife, not a broadsword. [/quote]
That's really not an appropriate comparison. I'm also willing to bet a Glock has the same or less number of parts from pulling the trigger to firing the gun than a revolver.
[QUOTE=download;47792989]That's really not an appropriate comparison. I'm also willing to bet a Glock has the same or less number of parts from pulling the trigger to firing the gun than a revolver.[/QUOTE]
Glocks are as complex as any semiautomatic firearm. The difference is, they're built in such a way that they can stand up to a beating and keep on going.
They're also built to be as simple as possible for the owner to operate and maintain:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLphhrLYmxE[/media]
[QUOTE=Punjon;47792976]I very much despise starting arguments for arguments' sake; but a revolver does have its uses, I think. If I had to pick between jamming a typical 9mm semiautomatic or a six-shooter in my seat gap while travelling, I would definitely prefer the revolver. My reasoning, and the reasoning of my father's side of the family (Again, not experienced firearms enthusiasts, just truckers, laborers, and other employs that typically carry for defense) is that there's simply more parts to break in a semiauto.
I'm aware of the benefits of a semiautomatic, and I do think they're technologically superior to a revolver, but aside from swapping out a firing pin, I've never run into any issues with a revolver that I would expect to run into with a semiautomatic weapon. And that's a big part of the appeal; having something you can load and slide into your dash or under your seat and leave it there for a length of time. Exposure to elements, typical travelling dirt &etc.. I have & continue to recommend revolvers to anyone who is going to have a gun for the "just-in-case".
And, again, I'm not a firearms enthusiast the same way as (I'm sure) some of you guys on the forums here. I have limited experience. I love semi-automatic & automatic weapons, I absolutely think they have their place... but sitting in a seat-gap is not that place. Sometimes you just need a knife, not a broadsword.[/QUOTE]
Short of a bear gun, the benefits just aren't large enough to outweigh the drawbacks. Six rounds and a slow reload is enough to get you killed.
Even for bear defense I'd prefer a 10mm auto. Less single shot stopping power, but you can put 20 rounds down range in short order.
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Slapped a DTK-2 muzzlebrake on my AK and some fagpul shit which made it alot more practical. And to the right is a bear creek arsenal 1/9 inch twist upper on all polymer lower with m16a2 rear sight.
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i also got some bullets blessed by jesus christ himself
[QUOTE=Punjon;47792976]I very much despise starting arguments for arguments' sake; but a revolver does have its uses, I think. If I had to pick between jamming a typical 9mm semiautomatic or a six-shooter in my seat gap while travelling, I would definitely prefer the revolver. My reasoning, and the reasoning of my father's side of the family (Again, not experienced firearms enthusiasts, just truckers, laborers, and other employs that typically carry for defense) is that there's simply more parts to break in a semiauto.
I'm aware of the benefits of a semiautomatic, and I do think they're technologically superior to a revolver, but aside from swapping out a firing pin, I've never run into any issues with a revolver that I would expect to run into with a semiautomatic weapon. And that's a big part of the appeal; having something you can load and slide into your dash or under your seat and leave it there for a length of time. Exposure to elements, typical travelling dirt &etc.. I have & continue to recommend revolvers to anyone who is going to have a gun for the "just-in-case".
And, again, I'm not a firearms enthusiast the same way as (I'm sure) some of you guys on the forums here. I have limited experience. I love semi-automatic & automatic weapons, I absolutely think they have their place... but sitting in a seat-gap is not that place. Sometimes you just need a knife, not a broadsword.[/QUOTE]
Yea see thats actually really fucking stupid.
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The difference in parts is absolutely and completely marginal, so thats a completely moot point. And I would rather have a glock jam on me than a revolver. If a glock jams, rack the slide; done. If a revolver Jams, you're FUCKED. Either the cylinder is out of alignment and you get fragments of lead and copper flying back at you, or the cylinder isn't turning or releasing and you're still fucked like a duck.
What you [i]expect[/i] to run into with a semiautomatic firearm is unfounded bullshit. I've owned shitloads of pistols. I've owned glocks, Sigs, HK's, Makarovs, Tokarevs, and even a POS saturday night special, and the only one I've ever had jam on me was the Tokarev, and that was a combination of limp-wristing and a fucked up duracoat job fucking with the slide.
I've also owned revolvers and never had any issues with them what so ever, but would I choose a revolver for self defense over a semiautomatic because I've had 2 jams over 10k rounds I've fired in the past 4 years? Fuck no because thats retarded. Caliber variation, capacity, removable magazines, single action trigger pull on every shot, and a million other advantages make semiautomatics completely, absolutely, and undeniably superior in every regard.
Because your blue collar family members carry revolvers does not mean revolvers are better. This goes back to me complaining that Americans cling on to retarded traditions for the sake of traditions, despite there being something clearly better. Theres a reason every reasonably funded military in the world issues semiautomatics as their sidearms, not Colt Peacemakers.
Revolvers have their place, but being in a glovebox or protecting someones life is not one of those places, and hasn't been that place since the late 1890's. It's absolute stupidity to recommend a revolver for self defense in 2015. Limited capacity, double action pull on every shot (unless you're legitimately mentally handicapped and recommend a SAO), and hilariously long reload times.
[QUOTE=Punjon;47792976]Sometimes you just need a knife, not a broadsword.[/quote]
Shit comparison. A revolver would be a horse and carriage, while a semiautomatic would be a Volkswagen Beetle. One is obviously superior and you're 'tarded if you think otherwise.
[QUOTE=Punjon;47792976]six-shooter in my seat gap while travelling[/QUOTE]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ldsF65cLM[/media]
hyuck hyuck so I was bangin my cousin in my 86' Ford FreedomFucker jacked 14 foot off the ground when I noticed a group of Ethnics sneaking up on us.
I handed my cousin my semiautomatic and I took my 500 magnum out of my ankle holster. Before we knew it, the ethnics had rappelled up to the windows and started breaking in. I blew away the blackies on my side but before I knew it, my cousins semiautomatic had jammed! Before I could react, they grabbed her out of the window and it was the last I ever saw of her.
Thats why I only carry a revolver and recommend everyone else do so! Semiautomatics only jam!
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47797702]hyuck hyuck so I was bangin my cousin in my 86' Ford FreedomFucker jacked 14 foot off the ground when I noticed a group of Ethnics sneaking up on us.
I handed my cousin my semiautomatic and I took my 500 magnum out of my ankle holster. Before we knew it, the ethnics had rappelled up to the windows and started breaking in. I blew away the blackies on my side but before I knew it, my cousins semiautomatic had jammed! Before I could react, they grabbed her out of the window and it was the last I ever saw of her.
Thats why I only carry a revolver and recommend everyone else do so! Semiautomatics only jam![/QUOTE]
molan labe, brother
The real benefit of a revolver to me is the flexibility of ammunition. As long as the gun can take the force, you can load pretty much any power level in a revolver, from ridiculously hot .357 to wimpy but cheap 700fps .38 target loads. Running underloaded ammo in a semi is asking for a FTE. Plus shit like the Medusa M47 exists, which allows basically any 9mm/.357 diameter pistol cartridge, rimmed or not, to be fired from it.
Semiautos still have the benefit of being better all around though. I'd take 15+1 of 9mm FMJ vs 5/6 rounds of Black Talon Cop-Killer 9 Billion .357 Ultra Magnum any day in a defense scenario.
Is there in particular reason everyone gets so hostile over this revolver topic? No one said "Revolvers are better than Semi-Automatics" but like I said before and others have posted some people prefer them and they do have their legit benefits to semi-automatics. Personal preference is just that so I'm not sure why some of these posts get so animated.
And limp wristing is not an entirely bullshit reason. Lance Thomas, the shopkeep from LA who fended off four armed robberies had his semi-automatic jam because of a limp wrist after he had been shot in the shoulder and was unable to maintain a solid grip at the angle he was shooting. So he ditched the gun and retrieved one of his revolvers to finish the robber off. Limp wristing shouldn't happen during typical shooting at a range or anything like that but in situations that arise in real life it can. Inside a vehicle for example, where you may not have a good angle but you absolutely need to fire a shot and you're unable to maintain a firm enough grip. Not saying limp wrist stoppages are like the most common in the world, just that they do rarely happen and revolvers don't suffer from that minor point. And it's just that, a very minor point, granted. Most shooters are able to prevent a limp wrist easily.
Revolvers are still relevant. They're great for beginners, they're relatively simple, relatively safe and just generally fun to shoot.
And once again this is coming from a guy who isn't planning to purchase a revolver in the near future because I much prefer the huge advantages semi-automatic handguns offer.
I'd never carry a revolver for self-defense. Primarily due to the ammunition issue. It's bad enough that NY handicaps you at 10 rounds but it's even worse when you only have six and it takes you forever to fumble around with a speed loader.
[QUOTE=zombini;47798011]The real benefit of a revolver to me is the flexibility of ammunition. As long as the gun can take the force, you can load pretty much any power level in a revolver, from ridiculously hot .357 to wimpy but cheap 700fps .38 target loads. Running underloaded ammo in a semi is asking for a FTE. Plus shit like the Medusa M47 exists, which allows basically any 9mm/.357 diameter pistol cartridge, rimmed or not, to be fired from it.
Semiautos still have the benefit of being better all around though. I'd take 15+1 of 9mm FMJ vs 5/6 rounds of Black Talon Cop-Killer 9 Billion .357 Ultra Magnum any day in a defense scenario.[/QUOTE]
I'll take a Sig frame pistol any day because of the caliber change kits. Hell, most pistols in 40 can do a barrel swap to fire 357 sig.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;47798890]
Revolvers are still relevant. They're great for beginners, they're relatively simple, relatively safe and just generally fun to shoot.
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Yea, they're fine if you're plinking at the range or teaching little timmy how to shoot, but for self defense it's complete retardation to use a revolver. No exceptions, no ifs, ands, or buts.
i wouldnt even use a pump-action shotgun much less a revolver for home defense
I've posted this before and I'll post it again;
An AR-15 in 5.56 is probably the best all around home defense gun because it is easy for anyone to use, and with the right ammunition, you shouldn't have to worry about overpenetration:
2) OVERPENETRATION INSIDE THE HOME
A common concern for people when trying to decide which caliber to choose for self defense is overpenetration inside the home. Many believe that pistols calibers would automatically penetrate less than rifle bullets, or that light fragmenting bullets will allow you to not be concerned with overpenetration. In regards to the latter - this is a false assumption. Take, for example, the Glaser Safety Slug. It is a pre-fragmented bullet with very shallow and completely penetration in bare gelatin. When fired through drywall, the bullet fails to expand and behaves as a FMJ solid. Another example would be using a lightweight varmint bullet in an AR, thinking that the shallow penetration in tissue would be sufficient to not worry about persons in adjacent rooms in case of a miss. The question I would ask is this: If you knew that there is a person in a room behind the bad guy and you're only separated by drywall, would you really risk taking a shot and rely solely on the bullet to not hurt or kill someone in case of a miss?
As far as the idea that pistol bullets will inherently penetrate less than rifle cartridges, take a look at this graph comparing common weapons one might employ in the role of self-defense:
[img]http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/DocGKRData/HomecarbineWP.jpg[/img]
Notice that the penetration of all these calibers using high-quality ammunition is approximately the same, quite contrary to common belief. The reason pistol calibers penetrate quite deeply is, as has been mentioned before, the fact that momentum is the key factor here. The slower, heavier bullets retain more momentum and can thus penetrate as much as a bullet launched at much higher velocity. Bullet construction obviously plays a key role as well.
The situation won't change very much if drywall is introduced into the equation:
[img]http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/DocGKRData/WoundProfilesAfterWallBarrier.jpg[/img]
There is not much that has to be said about this picture; the .223 calibers rapidly lose their momentum after penetrating drywall first, while the heavier bullets do not. Note that the pistol calibers in the example above penetrate to approximately 50cm (~20"). That would lead me to believe that the bullets chosen for that test didn't expand and thus further highlights the need to choose ammunition which passes the FBI test protocols. A Winchester Ranger-T bullet penetrates approximately 15" (~38cm) after encountering wallboard - about the same as the .308 155gr AMAX.
Last I was on the winchester website they just had the same blurb on every page for the entire SXP line, even if the feature list didn't apply to the particular model you were looking at.
I really like FDE/tan finishes for the most part but the magazine tube being black (while understandable) makes it look pretty ugly.
Just picked it up today and took it to the range.
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She shot great with no failures. Just need to adjust my scope.
[QUOTE=camaroni;47802688]Just picked it up today and took it to the range.
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She shot great with no failures. Just need to adjust my scope.[/QUOTE]
You got the HBAR model?
I've been messing with a friend's PTR, installed the Manticore Nightbrake on it and it stopped beating up my shoulder in the prone.
What muzzle device are you using?
Edit:
Just noticed that it has a CETME rear sight.
Also, what scope are you using?
[QUOTE=camaroni;47802688]Just picked it up today and took it to the range.
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She shot great with no failures. Just need to adjust my scope.[/QUOTE]
Hnnnngg
[QUOTE=MAC21500;47803039]You got the HBAR model?
I've been messing with a friend's PTR, installed the Manticore Nightbrake on it and it stopped beating up my shoulder in the prone.
What muzzle device are you using?
Edit:
Just noticed that it has a CETME rear sight.
Also, what scope are you using?[/QUOTE]
That's a Century Arms model. I wish I did get a PTR but it was a good deal. It came with their own muzzle break which seems to work well.
The scope is a Primary Arms 1-6x and that is a slick piece of hardware.
Militaryphotos apparently went down like a month ago. That sucks.
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