It's a real shame. I have no idea what alternatives exist, although obviously they were all sourced from somewhere.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47809095]Guess what I bought today?
Hint.. it's Norwegian and 109 years old[/QUOTE]
A Norwegian WWII veteran?
It's weird to see a krag not bubba'd to shit.
How do you jam the mighty AK47?
Use black powder.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LopUNq6lF2U[/media]
This looks so much more fun to shoot with that smoke.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47812742]How do you jam the mighty AK47?
Use black powder.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LopUNq6lF2U[/media]
This looks so much more fun to shoot with that smoke.[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised the black powder had enough power to cycle it. That's pretty awesome.
Also, $10 says it would jam an AR-15 even faster than it jammed the AK
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47790244]Thats a bullshit reason and you know it. Any competent shooter isn't going to limp wrist unless he's disabled or something. Like I mentioned in my post you quoted, I have never had a jam with my USP due to limp wristing because I'm not an incompetent schlock.
Seriously, the disadvantages of a revolver far outnumber the advantages. The only 2 advantages I can see is that they very rarely jam (as long as the cylinder is properly aligned) and you get access to some overkill magnum calibers. The advantages of a semi-automatic with a competent shooter far outnumber the handful of disadvantages. There is literally no reason to choose a revolver for self defense in 2015. It's like choosing a horse as your main transportation because hay is cheaper than gasoline.
[editline]24th May 2015[/editline]
Seriously, I can't stand how the US gun communities hopelessly cling on to outdated trash for the sake of tradition.[/QUOTE]
Revolvers aren't as easily effected by external forces, if you do the smart thing and carry a hammerless revolver the only thing that can be physically stopped is the trigger. That means no cycling problems if the gun pressed into the target or if the gun is grabbed. You can fire it straight out of a jacket pocket if you want. And many people don't want to carry a large gun so if the alternative for the revolver is a 6 to 8 shot semi auto then is there any reason to buy the semi?
[QUOTE=TehLeetPenguin;47813187]Revolvers aren't as easily effected by external forces, if you do the smart thing and carry a hammerless revolver the only thing that can be physically stopped is the trigger. That means no cycling problems if the gun pressed into the target or if the gun is grabbed. You can fire it straight out of a jacket pocket if you want. And many people don't want to carry a large gun so if the alternative for the revolver is a 6 to 8 shot semi auto then is there any reason to buy the semi?[/QUOTE]
Lighter trigger pull.
I like revolvers, but I don't think I'd CC one. My CC is a Beretta nano. My OC for hunting/fishing/camping is a revolver, but once I can afford a P226 I'll probably switch to that.
Fucking love the P226. Fired one at a rental range a few months back and it was honestly the nicest handgun I've ever shot.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47813013]I'm surprised the black powder had enough power to cycle it. That's pretty awesome.
Also, $10 says it would jam an AR-15 even faster than it jammed the AK[/QUOTE]
The AR would stop working after the 1st shot and you'd never get it to work again.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47813348]The AR would stop working after the 1st shot and you'd never get it to work again.[/QUOTE]
Idunno I bet you could get like 2-3 shots out of it before the gas tube gummed up.
My M&P could probably get through 10 before it started to stutter.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47813537]My M&P could probably get through 10 before it started to stutter.[/QUOTE]
Doubtful, unless it's a piston AR.
M&P's aren't the highest quality AR.
Shooting straight lead ammo will fuck up any gas system. Doesn't matter if it's an AR, M1a, AK, ect. Gas systems are meant to only fire a jacketed round of some sort. Lead would just shave off and make the worst clog imaginable in a gun.
[QUOTE=TehLeetPenguin;47813187]Revolvers aren't as easily effected by external forces, if you do the smart thing and carry a hammerless revolver the only thing that can be physically stopped is the trigger. That means no cycling problems if the gun pressed into the target or if the gun is grabbed. [/QUOTE]
Or you can carry a strikerfired and it will fire as long as its in battery. Revolvers are reliable, not infallible. By your straight-out-of-your-ass logic, what if a mugger pulls out a railroad tie and goes to stab you, but misses and jams the cylinder of your revolver! Oh no! You're FUCKED. If you had a semiautomatic, you could have deflected the railroad tie and then shot the mugger dead! lmfao
Furthermore, why would you carry a hammerless? One of the few remaining viable advantages of a revolver is the hammer and having a reliable single action; why take that away? Furthermore you're forced to use a double action pull every single shot without having the option to fire it single action. Making a revolver hamerless is making it worse in every way.
[QUOTE=TehLeetPenguin;47813187]
You can fire it straight out of a jacket pocket if you want. And many people don't want to carry a large gun so if the alternative for the revolver is a 6 to 8 shot semi auto then is there any reason to buy the semi?[/QUOTE]
Hey brosky, don't know if you know this, but real life isn't a 1980's action movie. Real people don't fire guns from their fucking jacket pockets. Not only is it fucking stupid to do so, but it's hilariously unsafe and inaccurate.
And Semiautomatics aren't big guns unless you're carrying a fucking MK. 23. Even most duty pistols can be concealed reasonably well unless you're a 4'8 petite Asian woman. Even if you don't like to carry a duty pistol, you can find Sub-c's and compacts in a multitude of calibers.
I've said this about 26 times so far, there is literally no reason in 2015 to carry a revolver, and you're a moron if you do so. [B]Literally. No. Logical. Reason.[/B] Throw that Ghost in the Shell logic straight the fuck out the window and move into the 21st century dood. "Hur Dur revolvers don't jam" is a fucking stupid line of logic to follow.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47813739]
I've said this about 26 times so far, there is literally no reason in 2015 to carry a revolver, and you're a moron if you do so. [B]Literally. No. Logical. Reason.[/B] Throw that Ghost in the Shell logic straight the fuck out the window and move into the 21st century dood. "Hur Dur revolvers don't jam" is a fucking stupid line of logic to follow.[/QUOTE]
Hey buddy let's not be rude here, alright?
Revolvers are still good, solid choices as far as firearms are concerned. Especially for woods carrying.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47813739]Or you can carry a strikerfired and it will fire as long as its in battery. Revolvers are reliable, not infallible. By your straight-out-of-your-ass logic, what if a mugger pulls out a railroad tie and goes to stab you, but misses and jams the cylinder of your revolver! Oh no! You're FUCKED. If you had a semiautomatic, you could have deflected the railroad tie and then shot the mugger dead! lmfao
Furthermore, why would you carry a hammerless? One of the few remaining viable advantages of a revolver is the hammer and having a reliable single action; why take that away? Furthermore you're forced to use a double action pull every single shot without having the option to fire it single action. Making a revolver hamerless is making it worse in every way.
Hey brosky, don't know if you know this, but real life isn't a 1980's action movie. Real people don't fire guns from their fucking jacket pockets. Not only is it fucking stupid to do so, but it's hilariously unsafe and inaccurate.
And Semiautomatics aren't big guns unless you're carrying a fucking MK. 23. Even most duty pistols can be concealed reasonably well unless you're a 4'8 petite Asian woman. Even if you don't like to carry a duty pistol, you can find Sub-c's and compacts in a multitude of calibers.
I've said this about 26 times so far, there is literally no reason in 2015 to carry a revolver, and you're a moron if you do so. [B]Literally. No. Logical. Reason.[/B] Throw that Ghost in the Shell logic straight the fuck out the window and move into the 21st century dood. "Hur Dur revolvers don't jam" is a fucking stupid line of logic to follow.[/QUOTE]
Being striker fired doesn't make the slide unstoppable, if anyone/thing impedes the path of the slide, your gun wont go bang the next time you pull the trigger. and if someone uses single action in a defensive situation they are retarded, most double action triggers are more than fine.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47813013]I'm surprised the black powder had enough power to cycle it. That's pretty awesome.
Also, $10 says it would jam an AR-15 even faster than it jammed the AK[/QUOTE]
Not even one.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kagMmjmExYU[/media]
But I imagine it could have cycled if he used faster burning 4f black powder.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47814263]Not even one.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kagMmjmExYU[/media]
But I imagine it could have cycled if he used faster burning 4f black powder.[/QUOTE]
I doubt it. Even 4F probably wouldn't have enough pressure to cycle an AR
It doesn't take much for an AK to cycle. There's a giant hole for the gas to go in and it only takes a little. With an AR the gas has to enter a tiny hole and go all the way down a tiny tube and into the rest of the mechanism. That tube would get blocked by fouling instantly.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47814281]I doubt it. Even 4F probably wouldn't have enough pressure to cycle an AR
It doesn't take much for an AK to cycle. There's a giant hole for the gas to go in and it only takes a little. With an AR the gas has to enter a tiny hole and go all the way down a tiny tube and into the rest of the mechanism. That tube would get blocked by fouling instantly.[/QUOTE]
The AK47 is the ultimate apocalypse gun.
And it's weird too, I thought it would be lighter than the AK but when I got to handle a few they were actually pretty heavy. I'd rather have a light .30-06 bolt action rifle in any situation.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47813629]Doubtful, unless it's a piston AR.
M&P's aren't the highest quality AR.[/QUOTE]
Mine basically only eats Tula/Wolf and has never run into any stoppages that were its own fault (two magazine related issues). I've heard about M&P quality issues but never encountered any problems with mine. I think it's more of a QC problem with S&W turning out dud rifles.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47813739]Or you can carry a strikerfired and it will fire as long as its in battery. Revolvers are reliable, not infallible. By your straight-out-of-your-ass logic, what if a mugger pulls out a railroad tie and goes to stab you, but misses and jams the cylinder of your revolver! Oh no! You're FUCKED. If you had a semiautomatic, you could have deflected the railroad tie and then shot the mugger dead! lmfao
Furthermore, why would you carry a hammerless? One of the few remaining viable advantages of a revolver is the hammer and having a reliable single action; why take that away? Furthermore you're forced to use a double action pull every single shot without having the option to fire it single action. Making a revolver hamerless is making it worse in every way.
Hey brosky, don't know if you know this, but real life isn't a 1980's action movie. Real people don't fire guns from their fucking jacket pockets. Not only is it fucking stupid to do so, but it's hilariously unsafe and inaccurate.
And Semiautomatics aren't big guns unless you're carrying a fucking MK. 23. Even most duty pistols can be concealed reasonably well unless you're a 4'8 petite Asian woman. Even if you don't like to carry a duty pistol, you can find Sub-c's and compacts in a multitude of calibers.
I've said this about 26 times so far, there is literally no reason in 2015 to carry a revolver, and you're a moron if you do so. [B]Literally. No. Logical. Reason.[/B] Throw that Ghost in the Shell logic straight the fuck out the window and move into the 21st century dood. "Hur Dur revolvers don't jam" is a fucking stupid line of logic to follow.[/QUOTE]
"In other news, a local man by the strange name of Trunk Monkay was recently robbed and left for dead when his semi automatic handgun jammed leaving him defensless against his revolver wielding attackers"
:v:
In all seriousness though I get the semi autos are better than revolvers blah blah deal, but why would you use your USP as an example earlier? that's like one of the nicest more expensive guns someone could own, I'd have a hard time believing one of those ever DID jam if kept clean, but I'd think lower tier handguns with lack of adequate cleaning could cause one some more issues.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47813842]Hey buddy let's not be rude here, alright?
Revolvers are still good, solid choices as far as firearms are concerned. Especially for woods carrying.[/QUOTE]
I'm not being rude, I'm being frank. I've said this 2 dozen times so far and some people are trying to fight me on it. It's like talking to kindergartners.
They're good solid choices if you plan to never use them in a defensive situation. Unless you're taking on grizzly bears that weigh 14,000 pounds or mutant titan hogs, any 40, 45, or 10mm auto is more than adequate. You also get the advantage of being able to reload in a timely manner, if you somehow manage to fuck up 14 or 15 times and miss every shot.
[editline]27th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=TehLeetPenguin;47814111]Being striker fired doesn't make the slide unstoppable, if anyone/thing impedes the path of the slide, your gun wont go bang the next time you pull the trigger. and if someone uses single action in a defensive situation they are retarded, most double action triggers are more than fine.[/QUOTE]
Notice the part where I said "It will fire as long as its in battery".
And again, situations where someone is fighting you for your gun don't really happen, and if it does happen you should be pulling the trigger wildly hoping you hit the mugger instead of yourself.
Furthermore, when I said "single action" in my post above, I thought it went without saying that I was talking about DA/SA revolvers, not fucking cowboy six shooters. DA triggers are fine if you're plinking at the range, but when your adrenaline is pumping and you're in an actual defensive situation, not a 1980's action scene like you're talking about, you don't want to have to deal with a DA trigger to throw off your aim every shot.
If anybody uses a revolver in a defensive situation, they are retarded. Bottom line.
[editline]27th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=zach1193;47816295]"In other news, a local man by the strange name of Trunk Monkay was recently robbed and left for dead when his semi automatic handgun jammed leaving him defensless against his revolver wielding attackers"
:v:
In all seriousness though I get the semi autos are better than revolvers blah blah deal, but why would you use your USP as an example earlier? that's like one of the nicest more expensive guns someone could own, I'd have a hard time believing one of those ever DID jam if kept clean, but I'd think lower tier handguns with lack of adequate cleaning could cause one some more issues.[/QUOTE]
I mentioned my USP expressly because it has saved my life in the past by not jamming on me while I was being shot at, so forgive me for glorifying my favorite handgun.
If you read any of my other posts, I said I'd owned several pistols, including bottom of the barrel Polish Tokarevs with a shit duracoat job, and Russian Makarovs. None of them jammed despite being made by 12 year old factory workers.
I've also owned a Raven Arms MP-25, which is a PoS Saturday Night Special pocket pistol, and it never jammed on me, only straight up destroyed itself.
The comparison you're probably going to make is that your cheapest revolver is going to be as reliable as your most expensive semiautomatic, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vftq9hNpvBc"]but thats not really true.[/URL]
If you're shooting a Taurus, you're probably retarded to begin with.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47815689]Mine basically only eats Tula/Wolf and has never run into any stoppages that were its own fault (two magazine related issues). I've heard about M&P quality issues but never encountered any problems with mine. I think it's more of a QC problem with S&W turning out dud rifles.[/QUOTE]
You really can't compare dirty ammo made with actual gunpowder to ammo fired with black powder, something a hundred times more corrosive and dirty than gunpowder ever will be.
You can fire regular rounds through just about any gun without cleaning it and it'll be fine as long as it's not berdan primed. But if you fire a single black powder shot and don't clean it your gun will rust faster than you can say "Take that you Union carpetbaggers"
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47816934]You really can't compare dirty ammo made with actual gunpowder to ammo fired with black powder, something a hundred times more corrosive and dirty than gunpowder ever will be.
You can fire regular rounds through just about any gun without cleaning it and it'll be fine as long as it's not berdan primed. But if you fire a single black powder shot and don't clean it your gun will rust faster than you can say "Take that you Union carpetbaggers"[/QUOTE]
I know, I was just replying within the frame of the quality comment. Mine feels very tight and accurate, but it's one of the more expensive ones in the line, too.
I've never tried black powder in my AR, nor do I plan to, but I think it'd make it past three at least.
[QUOTE=zach1193;47816295]"In other news, a local man by the strange name of Trunk Monkay was recently robbed and left for dead when his semi automatic handgun jammed leaving him defensless against his revolver wielding attackers"
:v:
In all seriousness though I get the semi autos are better than revolvers blah blah deal, but why would you use your USP as an example earlier? that's like one of the nicest more expensive guns someone could own, I'd have a hard time believing one of those ever DID jam if kept clean, but I'd think lower tier handguns with lack of adequate cleaning could cause one some more issues.[/QUOTE]
I own a USP compact tactical. Shit gun. Picky about ammo, heavy, and oversized.
I imagine mine is largely isolated in its reliability issues, but the size and weight are inherent and ridiculous.
I think the weight is something people who prefer USPs like.
The compact is the same size as my full sized guns.
And making the gun heavy is the sloppy way to reduce felt recoil
One of our local PD carries around a full sized USP in a drop leg and that shit is huge.
-Been away from PC for a few days- Me: Hey, I wonder what Facepunch has been up to...
-Bickering about revolvers being bad again.- Me: Oh. Nothing new.
Anyways, carrying a revolver is better than not carrying, but is less than most modern semi-autos. Pretty basic argument?
Just passed my hunting license test, got 100%. Going to go get the license after work tomorrow.
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