[QUOTE=MR-X;47900596]My point out of all it is if that is the price that is the price, don't like it move on. Don't waste peoples time low balling or trying to trade useless shit that you had sitting in a closet for god knows how long.
Just a pet peeve of mine. Also just because a gun is used does not mean it is worth nothing, its all about the condition of the gun itself and the functionality. If i fire a gun 10 times to do a functionality test it does not equal to half of its value.
People just want shit for nothing, trading forums are filled these types of people. And about the whole online thing is this - people often say well "walmart has that gun for this much and it is cheaper."
Well, the gun model i got has higher quality parts vs the walmart one, which are known for having cheap parts.
Guess my whole motto to this is, if you're not interested in paying even close to the asking price of someones ad don't even the persons time by responding with low ball offers and asking to trade junk.[/QUOTE]
Consider the amount of people who view your ad, and then do move on. People trying to haggle with you isn't something to be pissy about. If they send you an offer so bad that it offends you, ignore it. Simple as that.
And guns that are out of the box and have been fired aren't worth MSRP anymore; doesn't matter if it has 1 round down the barrel or 10,000 rounds down the barrel. They're not going to be worth 50% of the value but nobody thats not a felon is going to be paying [i]barely[/i] under MSRP for them.
People go to used gun forums because they want a used gun at a used gun price, not a used gun at a new gun price.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;47901484]What about two full crates of Mosins? XD[/QUOTE]
That's 40 mosins right?
That's as much as four times as many mosins as I don't want (10) and that's just terrible.
(In all seriousness yeah I'd definitely trade the AR-15 for 2 full crates of mosins are you kidding I could get so much money parceling them out on armslist)
[editline]7th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47901557]How about a Mosin, a bottle of Stoli, a blue Adidas tracksuit, and crippling poverty?
Haven't you always wanted to be a gopnik?[/QUOTE]
I'll accept no less than 80 mosins, a pallet of Stolichnaya, and twenty three blue adidas tracksuits in trade.
Too rich for my blood. I'll give you half a bottle of bottom shelf vodka from Poland, a Chinese red Daiads track pants, and 80 Mosin bolts without firing pins.
So there's a retard in my city trying to sell a used M-70 pap rifle (zastava ak-47) out of the box, used, with a single magazine (a crapco poly mag not even a steel mag) for $625.
Seriously what the hell. That's more than the rifle costs at any online retailer.
I messaged him to ask him what his justification for a higher price was and asked if he was including extras that he didn't picture/forgot to mention and he told me he was "Sick of people like me" and that "Buying online you're still paying shipping and transfer fees"
So I showed him two retailers where even shipping and transfer fees the cost was $10 more than him (Atlantic Firearms) for a brand new gun in the box, or $102 less (Classic Firearms) with 4 free mags.
Idiot.
If he doesn't want to negotiate, don't do business with him, and he won't sell the item. That's how market works. A unit is only worth what the purchaser is willing to pay.
[QUOTE=mastoner20;47902681]If he doesn't want to negotiate, don't do business with him, and he won't sell the item. That's how market works. A unit is only worth what the purchaser is willing to pay.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know it's just the amount of ignorance these people display is baffling.
How good are Kel-tec Sub2000's? I like the idea of a foldable 9mm carbine rifle, but I've heard kel-tec can make some stinkers. I'm not really seriously interested in buying anything yet, I plain don't have the money, but I'm curious.
It was one of Kel-Tec's better successes. Especially if you get the aluminum fore-end on it to strengthen it up. It's a really nice carbine.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;47900725]Very few guns will net you a profit. Unless you can find a collector or some one with too much money to burn, you will have to settle for less. Hold onto the AR and just make it your own. Buy new uppers or other calibers and keep it.[/QUOTE]
lol So I once bought a Mosin for $99 and had for a year or two then sold it to this kid for $150. Thanks alcohol! :v:
The bad thing is the barrel was pretty worn, the rifling I mean.
[QUOTE=zach1193;47902923]lol So I once bought a Mosin for $99 and had for a year or two then sold it to this kid for $150. Thanks alcohol! :v:
The bad thing is the barrel was pretty worn, the rifling I mean.[/QUOTE]
I bought an SKS for $300 and sold it to someone for $600
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47901353]So anyone hear anything about this crap the NRA is saying where Obama wants to ban gun-related videos under ITAR and send gun vloggers to prison for 20 years?
[url]https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150605/stop-obamas-planned-gag-order-on-firearm-related-speech[/url][/QUOTE]
I acknowledge the things the NRA has done, but they're full of shit all the time and rely entirely on scaremongering people into giving them money.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47902754]How good are Kel-tec Sub2000's? I like the idea of a foldable 9mm carbine rifle, but I've heard kel-tec can make some stinkers. I'm not really seriously interested in buying anything yet, I plain don't have the money, but I'm curious.[/QUOTE]
I've owned 2, one in 9 and one in 40, both Glock mag configurations. It's a nice short rifle, but like most things made of plastic, they can fail from small hits. If you look on GunBroker, many used ones come with a rubber grip sleeve. This is because the receiver is 2 halves screwed together. The mag well for it only has one screw holding it together, so the grip feels a little flimsy due to the construction. The sights are also not that great. They are by all means rudimentary, but it will work. The front sight has a tenancy to break or fall off due to it being a weak design and held on by weak grade loctite. As with most things from Kel Tec, if it's not a pocket pistol, the gun is rare and overpriced due to the market.
Overall, I'd wait for the Gen 2 versions that support more modern magazines like the XD or M&P series. They offer a better stock, better front sight, and an even trimmer forend. Supposedly they also improved how the barrel is mounted, so the new forend and new stock cannot be easily put onto an older Sub 2000. They may also ship the new Sub 2000 with a threaded barrel too since many people complained about it with the Sub 2000.
A Gen 2 kel-tec rifle he says
Oh my lord I haven't laughed so hard in ages.
I always thought the sub2k could pass as a German WW2 rifle with the right color furniture, something like the volkssturmgewehr.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47903214]I always thought the sub2k could pass as a German WW2 rifle with the right color furniture, something like the volkssturmgewehr.[/QUOTE]
I get what you mean. With wood furniture the RFB looks like a high tech WWII german prototype
[t]http://www.all4shooters.com/en/specials/Trade-shows-2014/SHOT-show-2014/rifles/keltec-rdb-rifle/M43_6669hires.jpg?resize=930x870%3E[/t]
I wish they'd done something like this with the Sub2k
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47903707]my issue with keltec is that bloody everything is made from halves screwed together. i get it, easy to make, but looks like shite and it's not very impressive quality-wise..[/QUOTE]
Agreed. And other manufacturers are starting to do stuff like that, too.
[quote=MR-X]Then these kids try to lecture me on how they can build a AR-15 for 500 dollars, I tell them have it it then cause the thing is gonna be shit.[/quote]
With today's market it's entirely possible to build a pretty damn decent AR for that kind of money. I've seen Anderson lowers as low as $35; you can pick up blemished upper receivers from places like PSA and Aero Precision (Aero had their blems for $45 recently). Then add something like a Faxon barrel, Magpul handguard, LPK, UPK, standard AR stock, BCG from Aim Surplus, cheap birdcage, and you're sitting right in the neighborhood of $500. Yeah, it'll be a frankenbuild, but it'll work just the same, unless you're wanting sub-MOA laser precision out of your AR.
I understand what you're saying, I just had to be "that guy" for a minute. :v:
[QUOTE=massn7;47905980]With today's market it's entirely possible to build a pretty damn decent AR for that kind of money. I've seen Anderson lowers as low as $35; you can pick up blemished upper receivers from places like PSA and Aero Precision (Aero had their blems for $45 recently). Then add something like a Faxon barrel, Magpul handguard, LPK, UPK, standard AR stock, BCG from Aim Surplus, cheap birdcage, and you're sitting right in the neighborhood of $500. Yeah, it'll be a frankenbuild, but it'll work just the same, unless you're wanting sub-MOA laser precision out of your AR.
I understand what you're saying, I just had to be "that guy" for a minute. :v:[/QUOTE]
That is fine and dandy, but you're not gonna get a Daniel defense build for that though. Aka you get what you pay for.
[QUOTE=MR-X;47906150]That is fine and dandy, but you're not gonna get a Daniel defense build for that though. Aka you get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]
Yea but the whole point of him saying that is that you get an AR comparable in quality for a third of the cost. The only difference is that it doesn't have the DD logo on the side of the lower.
Buying AR's is like buying Apple products. You're not buying it for the functionality, you're buying it for the brand. You're buying it so the mallninjas at the range will be all "Woh bruh, sweet DD AR brosky, that AFG is awesome sauce bruh". If you pay 2 grand for some ultra-brand AR and you're not doing competitions or taking down ISIS, you're wasting your money.
Which is another reason in my infinitely long list of reasons why I won't buy into AR's.
I bought the AR because I thought it'd be a nice platform that I'd enjoy shooting.
It wasn't. I was wrong.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47906247]Yea but the whole point of him saying that is that you get an AR comparable in quality for a third of the cost. The only difference is that it doesn't have the DD logo on the side of the lower.
Buying AR's is like buying Apple products. You're not buying it for the functionality, you're buying it for the brand. You're buying it so the mallninjas at the range will be all "Woh bruh, sweet DD AR brosky, that AFG is awesome sauce bruh". If you pay 2 grand for some ultra-brand AR and you're not doing competitions or taking down ISIS, you're wasting your money.
Which is another reason in my infinitely long list of reasons why I won't buy into AR's.[/QUOTE]
Lol you seem really concerned with your image at the range or something. No one cares about your AR's brand unless you have something really wizard like a ST Compressor. I bought a nice AR because I had the money and didn't want to have to build my own, there's no ulterior fashion motive because across the range it looks the same as any other. Get over yourself.
If you wanna be the popular guy at the range, go to an outdoor range with a traditional looking black powder rifle and start shooting it.
Me and a friend did that. Before long fuckin' everyone had stopped to watch us load and shoot muzzleloading rifles. We let a couple people shoot them and they had a blast with it.
[editline]8th June 2015[/editline]
Alternatively if you wanna be the asshole at a range dress up in colonial british army uniforms and do the exact same thing but insult the 'yankees' and use extra smokey powder.
[QUOTE=Ridge;47906619][img]http://i.imgur.com/SLNWu.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I want to do this one day.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47907037]I want to do this one day.[/QUOTE]
I may have worn my M1 helmet once or twice when shooting my Garand and M1 carbine at the range...
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47906761]how the hell can you dismiss the AR platform because some fucknuggets buy them for the fashion factor?
ARs are fantastic rifles if done right. saying they're stupid because you don't want to buy an overpriced BCM upper and show off the logo is retarded.
"lol all ARs are fashion brands!!!!!!!
grow up
they are accurate, very easy manipulated, a good furniture combo beats most all other ergos.[/QUOTE]
All of these things are true, but Trunk has a point. A huge part of the AR market is perceived looks, brand names and accessorizing. There's a reason they call the AR a man's Barbie.
I've built a high dollar rifle and a budget rifle, and owned two brand name rifles I bought at retail. The 6.8 I built had almost all Wilson Combat and Fortis Manufacturing parts; while it was extremely nice and smooth, the $600 Dissipator I built performed almost exactly the same. The two retail guns (Bushmaster and Olympic) also performed - you guessed it - almost exactly the same. The actions were a bit rougher and the accuracy wasn't as tight, but at the end of the day, the paper, deer, or bad guy would be just as dead. If you want to drop over a thousand (or more) on an AR, be my guest - it's your rifle and you can do what you want. My 6.8 build certainly pushed that envelope. But, do your research - most high dollar parts have comparable (or even superior) alternatives.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47906247]Yea but the whole point of him saying that is that you get an AR comparable in quality for a third of the cost. The only difference is that it doesn't have the DD logo on the side of the lower.
Buying AR's is like buying Apple products. You're not buying it for the functionality, you're buying it for the brand. You're buying it so the mallninjas at the range will be all "Woh bruh, sweet DD AR brosky, that AFG is awesome sauce bruh". If you pay 2 grand for some ultra-brand AR and you're not doing competitions or taking down ISIS, you're wasting your money.
Which is another reason in my infinitely long list of reasons why I won't buy into AR's.[/QUOTE]
My point is you can't compair the two. Its like me going to a BMW dealership and talking shit to him low balling the brand new 60 grand BMW because I can get a fucking Mazda for 12 grand.
Yeah I can go make a shitty AR for 500 but it isn't comparable to a brand name or high end rifle.
That's fine and dandy but don't waste peoples time low balling them on a high end rifle because you can make one.
Seems like you are a bit jellous of the people who build high spec ARs.
I'll enjoy my broskimallninja thank you very much, which BTW actually functions differently then some 500 dollar ar15. I should know I custom built it.
Cause if you build one you would know they function differently and not all have the same specs, a lot goes under the hood per say.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47906761]how the hell can you dismiss the AR platform because some fucknuggets buy them for the fashion factor?
ARs are fantastic rifles if done right. saying they're stupid because you don't want to buy an overpriced BCM upper and show off the logo is retarded.
"lol all ARs are fashion brands!!!!!!!
grow up
they are accurate, very easy manipulated, a good furniture combo beats most all other ergos.[/QUOTE]
I'm not dismissing AR's, I'm dismissing the AR market. I'm not saying AR's are bad, because they're not. Like you said they're very good rifles and they're extremely modular. But the market for them is shit, the people who buy them are shit, and the people who make accessories for them are shit.
[editline]8th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=mastermaul;47906515]Lol you seem really concerned with your image at the range or something. No one cares about your AR's brand unless you have something really wizard like a ST Compressor. I bought a nice AR because I had the money and didn't want to have to build my own, there's no ulterior fashion motive because across the range it looks the same as any other. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't care less about a persons image at the range, I prefer not to shoot at ranges with other people to begin with. If you bought some schlocky $1800 AR just to plink at the range then I feel bad for you.
[editline]8th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=MR-X;47908494]My point is you can't compair the two. Its like me going to a BMW dealership and talking shit to him low balling the brand new 60 grand BMW because I can get a fucking Mazda for 12 grand. [/QUOTE]
That comparison doesn't work. When you get into a car, you know how many miles have been on it. It says right there on the dash. So you get into a BMW thats being sold at MSRP for $60,000 and it's got 140,000 miles on it, you're going to try and lowball because who the fuck would pay MSRP for a used car?
With a gun, theres not really a milage counter for them unless you ask the owner and nobody in the world is truthful about round counts.
You're also not a dealer, you're a dood on armslist trying to sell a used gun at new pricing.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47908701]But the market for them is shit, the people who buy them are shit, and the people who make accessories for them are shit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're way smarter and cooler than the millions of people who've bought into one of the most popular rifles of all time.
Talking to you feels like talking to the kid in highschool who tries really hard not to be a part of the mainstream but still wears a slipknot shirt to class every day.
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