[QUOTE=AntoniD;17410623]Well, if you get shot in the stomach, you can stay alive for 15-20min at the most[/QUOTE]
Belly wounds take much longer than that.
Too many factors are in there to give you an actual answer.
The range is a very important factor. A stray will probably incapacitate you, while a shot a blank point will most likely kill you. A bullet loses speed during it's trajectory, due to friction and gravity. This is however only true when a weapon is fired straight ahead. If fired at an angle, the final speed will be nearly the same than the original speed. This is the danger with people firing at the sky, bullets do not disintegrate.
The firearm uses depends a lot, although this has mostly to do with the magazine, and in some cases barrel length, and certain firearms designs, polygonal rifling, for example, reduces bullet deformation and drag.
The type of bullet fired also applies. A hollow point round causes far more expansion than a soft point, but a soft point penetrates more, the material and size of a round is also a factor, bigger round means more damage, higher speed.
On the shooter's side, the level of experience of a shooter has a lot to do. An unexperienced one may flinch and not hit where desired, usually causing the bullet itself to have an erratic trajectory, or fire more than one round, while a more experienced shooter may have absolutely no problem hitting the desired area with no flinch or chance of missing.
The victim really has a lot to do here though, people have far different pain thresholds. By a general rule, when one gets shot, you bleed. Bleeding is obviously more of an issue if shot around an artery, getting shot in a limb might be very dangerous, and even more when the bullet hits bone. Getting shot in the thigh is actually pretty much one of the most dangerous places to be shot on. It's incredibly painful, makes your leg numb, and the femoral artery runs right through there, leaving a chance for bleeding.
Your chances of survival after being shot have mostly to do with luck. If the factors are on your side, you'll probably live. If you for example, manage to control your own bleeding, you'll most likely live longer. But never believe that any sort of bullet is not lethal. That's what they're carefully built for anyway.
Pretty much depends on were you get shot. If you are unlucky enough for the bullet to hit a major blood vessel in your leg you are pretty much screwed. And a torso shot doesn't have to be deadly.
To clarify my question, what can you do during the few seconds after you get shot, assuming you'll die anyway?
Probably nothing much due to shock. But some people can still do a thing or two, right?
[QUOTE=YoMother;17410600]movies are stupid, you die when you get hit pretty much anywhere. The heart, the lungs, even the bladder[/QUOTE]
And that's why people survive getting shot in the arms, legs, hands, feet and one woman recently even survived a headshot.
:downs:
It really depends on the person, you may go into shock instantly, or you may be so hyped on adrenaline that you don't even notice.
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[QUOTE=Nikita;17413289]To clarify my question, what can you do during the few seconds after you get shot, assuming you'll die anyway?
Probably nothing much due to shock. But some people can still do a thing or two, right?[/QUOTE]
Yet again, it varies from person to person
[QUOTE=mysteryman;17410764]If your shot in a non lethal place, like your leg/foot, even your stomach (like a very specific place on the stomach) you can probably live and still have enough energy to maybe limp your way to a hospital or to get help.
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[b]Cops use pressure/key points in the body like joint to take down perps using neutralizing shots. Shoulder, elbows, knees, feet, hands[/b][/QUOTE]
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Cops aim for vital areas immediately, avoiding less vital areas; they're trained to take down a threat, not injure it and allow it more room to attack. This is common sense, if someone's shooting at you, kill him, to neutralize the threat and make sure they don't sue you later.
Also, they don't use equal force on a target, they use as much force as is necessary; I'm currently enrolled in a 2 year preliminary police academy, to earn some extra college credit, and you're saying the complete opposite of everything in my notes.
Unless your state has backward laws and such.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;17412114]okay i think it's this one
Third law
Whenever a particle A exerts a force on another particle B, B simultaneously exerts a force on A with the same magnitude in the opposite direction. The strong form of the law further postulates that these two forces act along the same line. This law is often simplified into the sentence, "To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
But that may not work correctly in this situation.[/QUOTE]
Put simpler, every action has a equal and opposing reaction.
Think of it like this: the force which someone receives is the same as the recoil of the gun. So not that much.
A bit less, in fact.
[QUOTE=Ultralast;17413337]You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Cops aim for vital areas immediately, avoiding less vital areas; they're trained to take down a threat, not injure it and allow it more room to attack. This is common sense, if someone's shooting at you, kill him, to neutralize the threat and make sure they don't sue you later.
Also, they don't use equal force on a target, they use as much force as is necessary; I'm currently enrolled in a 2 year preliminary police academy, to earn some extra college credit, and you're saying the complete opposite of everything in my notes.
Unless your state has backward laws and such.[/QUOTE]
So they shoot to kill?
That's fuckin dumb, I'd shoot to disable
movies != RL
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17413672]So they shoot to kill?
That's fuckin dumb, I'd shoot to disable[/QUOTE]
When you think about it, shooting to kill [b]is[/b] shooting to disable. For a long, long time.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17413672]So they shoot to kill?
That's fuckin dumb, I'd shoot to disable[/QUOTE]
How is dumb? Keeping them alive is a liability in a lot of ways; if a man is shooting at me, for whatever reason, I'm going to try to kill him. It's my life or his, and I'd rather go home to my family than take a bullet by aiming for a hard to hit area of the body. He's getting one or two or three to the chest until he stops moving.
This is called the warrior mindset; going into a situation knowing that you're going to live, and you're going to win no matter what the cost. They teach you this shit over and over, telling you that it doesn't matter if you're unarmed and the opponent is toting a 12 guage; you're going to take him down, and he is not going to get up.
[QUOTE=Ultralast;17413975]How is dumb? Keeping them alive is a liability in a lot of ways; if a man is shooting at me, for whatever reason, I'm going to try to kill him. It's my life or his, and I'd rather go home to my family than take a bullet by aiming for a hard to hit area of the body. He's getting one or two or three to the chest until he stops moving.
This is called the warrior mindset; going into a situation knowing that you're going to live, and you're going to win no matter what the cost. They teach you this shit over and over, telling you that it doesn't matter if you're unarmed and the opponent is toting a 12 guage; you're going to take him down, and he is not going to get up.[/QUOTE]
You're a cop, not a military soldier, you're a peace holder.
I can understand shoot to kill on crazy gang members, but one single guy with a gun? Fuck it, I'll just shoot his hands, problem solved
[QUOTE=mysteryman;17412081]like the jugular! (sp?)
apparently you can bleed out in seconds if that is cut/ruptured.[/QUOTE]
the jugular is a vein; the carotid is an artery. cutting open the jugular vein is usually fatal, not because it spurts, but just because of the large volume of blood carried through it. it is possible to survive a jugular vein cut, if proper first aid is applied and you receive medical attention from paramedics within two minutes
i think the carotid artery does bleed out in a matter of seconds though
[url]http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2294536[/url]
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;17413899]When you think about it, shooting to kill [b]is[/b] shooting to disable. For a long, long time.[/QUOTE]
To Disable is to cripple, to shoot a hand, to shoot a leg
not to kill
Yeah well cops don't like taking risks and they generally do like PWNING SUSPECTS BRO
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;17414156]Yeah well cops don't like taking risks and they generally do like PWNING SUSPECTS BRO[/QUOTE]
Good way to generalize every cop out there.
One of my teachers was a cop, he told us a story about how he told his chief that he wouldn't bother using the gun.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17414147]To Disable is to cripple, to shoot a hand, to shoot a leg
not to kill[/QUOTE]
Hell no mang it's the opposite of enable.
You're disabling a lot of shit when you kill a man. His respiratory system, his nervous system, his cardiovascular system...
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;17414177]Hell no mang it's the opposite of enable.
You're disabling a lot of shit when you kill a man. His respiratory system, his nervous system, his cardiovascular system...[/QUOTE]
Technically, Disable could mean both
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Fuck. Ninja'd.
It really depends on if your city has a respawn. Like my city has no respawn at all. Once your dead, your dead.
Late.
[QUOTE=AntoniD;17410623]Well, if you get shot in the stomach, you can stay alive for 15-20min at the most[/QUOTE]
in the intestines its around 10 hours apparently
Depends on what you shoot with. A shot with a .22 isn't going to do much, but a hollow point .40 S&W like I use in my handguns will bring a grown man down to the ground quick.
I've never been shot before, but I ran into a sign pole today running a race.
Luckily I had my french army helmet on hand.
But yeah I heard getting shot is pretty rough.
...what was the point of that?
This is why I like Quentin Tarantino movies. When people are shot, they act like they really would if they were shot. Most die very quickly, only sometimes are they able to respond at all if the wound is bad.
[QUOTE=AntoniD;17410623]Well, if you get shot in the stomach, you can stay alive for 15-20min at the most[/QUOTE]
No you are actually quite likely to survive unless you are in the middle of a forest with no other people. Chest hit is much more fatal though.
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