How much can a human do after being shot? - General

[QUOTE=doommarine23;17414138]You're a cop, not a military soldier, you're a peace holder. I can understand shoot to kill on crazy gang members, but one single guy with a gun? Fuck it, I'll just shoot his hands, problem solved[/QUOTE] Good luck hitting someone's hand if they are moving around, you'd probably end up hitting the chest anyway.

I don't think anyone on FP has ever been shot (airsoft doesn't count) so this discussion is pretty much theory only.

This is the part where you fall down and BLEED TO DEATH.

In reality, they could hit the floor. It could make a pretty cool thud.

[QUOTE=5tolognadriS;17416792]...what was the point of that?[/QUOTE] I did it in the name of science.

[img]http://freeringtonesnokia.com/50-cent.jpg[/img] Bullets ain't shit niggaz i go shot 9-times motha fuckaz

[QUOTE=KENMORE;17417905][img]http://freeringtonesnokia.com/50-cent.jpg[/img] Bullets ain't shit niggaz i go shot 9-times motha fuckaz[/QUOTE] I thought it was 7. [editline]04:51PM[/editline] nope it was 9

getting shot will make you bleed, causing a sudden drop of blood pressure causing you to pass out

There are a LOT of factors to it. It depends on caliber, location, terminal ballistics, willpower, etc. There have been reported cases of people dieing of what would seem like a superficial wound, and cases where people have been shot countless times before going down. IE: in the 1986 Miami FBI shootout the main gunman was shot 12 times, his partner 8. In the 1997 North hollywood shootout one of the gunmen was shot 10 times and then commited suicide, the other gunman was shot 29 times and later died of injures. Although, in the latter shootout they were hyped up on muscle relaxants instead of just pure adrenaline alone. In the same shootout though, a police officer was hit in the upper leg and stomach from a 7.62x39 Yugoslavian AK clone along with bits of gravel and glass and still managed to crawl to a tree about 30 metres away, call for assistance, and hold out for around 30 minutes before paramedics arrived. [QUOTE=Swebonny;17411729] Here is another video of a very intelligent guy shooting himself in the arm. The 40 cal bullet went trough his arm but he doesn't seem to feel the pain(might be alcohol). [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=591_1250131811[/url][/QUOTE] Fake.

how come?

Hardly any tissue damage or bloodloss. Not even some really bad Wolf JHP ammo would make a wound that measly.

[QUOTE=AntoniD;17410623]Well, if you get shot in the stomach, you can stay alive for 15-20min at the most[/QUOTE] Probably longer, you may bleed to death really slowly, if the bullet dosn't bounce around inside you...

Well you could take unlimited damage if you just let your shield recharge between shots- wait

If you get hit anywhere but the arms you're pretty much dead Chest - Bleed out, vital organs Legs - You can't fucking walk if it severs your artery or breaks your bones Head - Self explanatory Arms - No vital organs, only chance of bleed out or broken bones

There's a police report of a hostage taker who got half his head shot off, and he still had enough time to stumble over to the police to ask for help before dying. That thing was a 7.62 NATO 168 grain SMK round.

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;17410959]ITT Facepunchers think they're ballistic specialists.[/QUOTE] What's with all the combat threads lately?

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;17419555]If you get hit anywhere but the arms you're pretty much dead Chest - Bleed out, vital organs Legs - You can't fucking walk if it severs your artery or breaks your bones Head - Self explanatory Arms - No vital organs, only chance of bleed out or broken bones[/QUOTE] That's a pretty asinine generalization of terminal ballistics

A human can run a marathon after getting shot. No, really.

[QUOTE=bravojr;17411640]I present you, [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXls-Tk2D7U&NR=1[/media] Dragons breath.' A exotic ammo type for any shotgun. Uses phospherus and magnesuem to create a huge ass fuck fireball of ultamate death. Shoot this at your head or torso at close to point blank is pretty much a 99% percent your fucked chance. Just imagine this in a auto shotgun[/QUOTE] The shotgun would overheat and burst. Literally.

They can bleed pretty well. [editline]06:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=doommarine23;17413672]So they shoot to kill? That's fuckin dumb, I'd shoot to disable[/QUOTE] You never shoot to disable. You only fire a gun if you want what it's pointed at dead. If you want to disable you use a taser or pepper spray. When you're shooting a gun you only aim at one place, the chest. There is a reason why no legal system recognizes "shooting to disable." It's a fairy tale. You shoot at someone and it is assumed you are trying to kill them. Don't want to kill someone? Don't fucking shoot a gun at them, you dunce.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;17411685]The immediate danger that presents itself to a shooting victim is blood loss. So when it comes to post-impact survival rates it varies greatly depending on the conditions. -Point of impact. Organ hits aren't necessarily the most dangerous (in the immediate sense). People have been hit in kidneys, the stomach, guts, liver, etc. and survived because they lasted long enough to get medical care. They would need transplants and extensive surgery. Getting hit in the heart and living to tell about it is near impossible because of all the blood you would lose immediately. By contrast a leg or arm hit can be much more dangerous than some believe, if the bullet hits a major artery. -Caliber. Some guns do a lot more damage than others. Tons of people have been accidentally hit by .22LR or birdshot and lived to tell about it. The survival rates with calibers such as 30.06, 45-70 Gov't., .50BMG and so on tend to be a lot worse. Even getting hit with a 9mm as opposed to a .45ACP can make a difference. Also in terms of damage guns that penetrate all the way through create more lethal hits because you suddenly have two orifices to bleed out of, but guns that pack a lot of punch and little pierce (such as the .45) will pack more punch and the shock from the impact would stop most opponents from continuing the fight. -Luck of the draw. Some bullets tumble or fragment on impact, some "keyhole" into their target, others just have erratic wound channels. With some calibers, where they go after they enter is totally unpredictable. If you get hit with buckshot for instance there is simply no telling exactly what those pellets will do. If you are very lucky very few will hit major organs or arteries. If you aren't lucky, they will hit almost nothing but. -Willpower. Some people can take it better than others. They can hold out longer with severe injuries. It is never really consistent. Some can even take a few hits without noticing because they are on a huge adrenaline high.[/QUOTE] Just to complete your post - The bullet type. You know - Steel bullets, Steel coated bullets, Armor piercing bullets, Steel tip bullets and whatnot. Even bullets with... How are they called actually. With a displaced centre of gravity, which can hit you in the belly and end up in your heart. It's actually really hard to answer the OP's question. Everything can happen. [editline]01:40AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;17420176]They can bleed pretty well. [editline]06:37PM[/editline] You never shoot to disable. You only fire a gun if you want what it's pointed at dead. If you want to disable you use a taser or pepper spray. When you're shooting a gun you only aim at one place, the chest. There is a reason why no legal system recognizes "shooting to disable." It's a fairy tale. You shoot at someone and it is assumed you are trying to kill them. Don't want to kill someone? Don't fucking shoot a gun at them, you dunce.[/QUOTE] Eeeh, no. Neutralizing shots. Someone mentioned it earilier. You shoot a guy not to kill him, but to disable him.

[QUOTE=Stopper;17420234]Eeeh, no. Neutralizing shots. Someone mentioned it earilier. You shoot a guy not to kill him, but to disable him.[/QUOTE] Eeeeh no that's specific to snipers, not cops. Cops don't shoot anywhere else because it leaves way too much risk for collateral damage. You go shooting wildly at a fast moving, small joint or body part and you're only going to end up killing the person in the next room over. Also being gutshot isn't exactly nonlethal.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17420176]They can bleed pretty well. [editline]06:37PM[/editline] You never shoot to disable. You only fire a gun if you want what it's pointed at dead. If you want to disable you use a taser or pepper spray. When you're shooting a gun you only aim at one place, the chest. There is a reason why no legal system recognizes "shooting to disable." It's a fairy tale. You shoot at someone and it is assumed you are trying to kill them. Don't want to kill someone? Don't fucking shoot a gun at them, you dunce.[/QUOTE] That was deep, brother. You should write a book.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17420295]Eeeeh no that's specific to snipers, not cops. Cops don't shoot anywhere else because it leaves way too much risk for collateral damage. You go shooting wildly at a fast moving, small joint or body part and you're only going to end up killing the person in the next room over. Also being gutshot isn't exactly nonlethal.[/QUOTE] Because most of the PDs don't have their own sniper squad :downs:, right?

[QUOTE=Stopper;17420382]Because most of the PDs don't have their own sniper squad :downs:, right?[/QUOTE] Uhh no most police departments don't. [editline]06:48PM[/editline] You're thinking SWAT. There isn't a SWAT team for every single police department, there's maybe a couple per state at most. [editline]06:49PM[/editline] And they rarely actually use sniper rifles. [editline]06:49PM[/editline] You watch too many movies.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17420405]Uhh no most police departments don't. [editline]06:48PM[/editline] You're thinking SWAT. There isn't a SWAT team for every single police department, there's maybe a couple per state at most. [editline]06:49PM[/editline] And they rarely actually use sniper rifles. [editline]06:49PM[/editline] You watch too many movies.[/QUOTE] Well, not most, but.. Yeah, you've got a point here. No, I'm not thinking of SWAT only. [quote=Wiki]Law enforcement snipers, also commonly called police snipers, and military snipers differ in many ways, including their areas of operation, training, and tactics. A police sharpshooter is part of a police operation and usually takes part in relatively short missions. Police forces typically deploy such sharpshooters in hostage scenarios. This differs from a military sniper, who operates as part of a larger army, engaged in warfare. Sometimes as part of a SWAT team, police snipers are deployed alongside negotiators and an assault team trained for close quarters combat.[/quote] And I definately don't watch too much movies.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17420295]Eeeeh no that's specific to snipers, not cops. Cops don't shoot anywhere else because it leaves way too much risk for collateral damage. You go shooting wildly at a fast moving, small joint or body part and you're only going to end up killing the person in the next room over. Also being gutshot isn't exactly nonlethal.[/QUOTE] That's why, good sir, unless the person is wearing body armor, cops use JHP. If he is wearing body armor then usually collateral isn't your problem, the problem is that you need 168 grain Hornady TAP 7.62 NATO loaded in your AR-10/FAL/M1A/LR-308/AR-308, and you better also make it a party mix between that and some AP ammo. That means you're going to have hell if he isn't running around on a street and you're in CQB.

Police shooting to disable suspects is not a viable option. The chance is far too high when shooting a disabling shot that the damage will be too little and the suspect is still a threat. Snipers, both military and police are only meant to shoot to kill. There was a case of a couple in the eighties, who hijacked a bus hoping to get the police to kill them ( They thought the apocalypse was nigh ). Anyway, eventually the started in the direction of the police perimetre, the cops tried to disable them, shooting them low, but they were well enough for the guy to shoot his girlfriend in the head, followed by himself. The same applies to all firearms. They are made to KILL, nothing else. Beanbags, pepper spray, teargas and tasers are all available if you want to disable.

Expanding on what lankist has said about the legal side of things, it's a huge risk to the safety of officers and civilians to shoot "to disable" instead of kill. As I explained in my earlier post, the idea of shooting a CV system (such as lungs or the heart, either way, the center mass) is to put a man out of a fight as quickly as possible. Shoot anywhere else, and you're not only risking aiming at a smaller target under a stressful situation, but you're also risking the combatant being able to fight back. Doing something ridiculous like shooting them in the kneecaps or trying to aim for their hand would put you and other's lives at risk. A suspect who has been shot in the chest and experiences Nervous System failure, CANNOT shoot back. A suspect who has kneecapped CAN shoot back. You decide what you want in a life or death situation.

If for some odd reason you got shot in the dick while you had a boner wouldn't you like die REALLY fast?