Knife holding up or down? - General

[QUOTE=Clever-Balls;20399302] [B]LMFAO[/B] Like a video can train you to sucessfully disarm a person wielding a knife.[/QUOTE] I never said you should learn it from videos, I've learned it by doing it for years wit prop knives with marking so you can see if and where it hits you.

I hold mine downwards. Doesn't really matter, it's more how you intend to 'use' it.

My iranian sparing guy at eskrima was insanely good at disarming, and has been in a few knife fights himself. He's one of the best at disarming i've met and puts me to shame. In both of the fights he was in he was stabbed, three times in the first, five in the second. The wielders were mostly untrained. Eskrima is known extremely well for it's superb disarming and knife fighting techniques, and this guy that had basically mastered a lot of them had been stabbed. Now what hope is there for some guy who thinks youtube disarming videos are a good source to learn?

[QUOTE=Cyrex;20399326]Hence why I said ultra low caliber ammo, the custom made ones made for some purse guns. I didn't mean concealed backup pistols. And thank you for ignoring my main part of the post, this is still a thread about knife fighting.[/QUOTE] No you didn't, you're backpeddaling now and trying to say you didn't imply what you did. You were implying (with your obviously very limited knowledge) that most concealed firearms are weak and useless. I'm saying, rather correctly here it seems, that you're an idiot, and that most concealed firearms are calibers that are more than capable of killing someone.

[QUOTE=Chubb;20399339]Sideways, you can slash and stab[/QUOTE] you just don't slash in a knife fight :/

[QUOTE=Clever-Balls;20399169]Lmao, okay.[/quote] Can you please stop saying "LMAO OK" "LOL NO" At the beginning of your posts, it's kind of annoying. Thanks

[QUOTE=Cyrex;20399221]Quoted everything just because of the mass idiocy, [b]a concealed carry gun in almost all cases isn't enough to down someone, usually just pisses them off more[/b]. Go learn about bullets before bringing it up in something totally unrelated. Hell some ultra low caliber([b]like those some in most concealed carry guns) [/b] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cyrex;20399358]I never said you should learn it from videos, I've learned it by doing it for years wit prop knives with marking so you can see if and where it hits you.[/QUOTE] [img]http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1236/handgungelcomparisonhi0.jpg[/img] that's over 12" of imatation flesh there buddy. good luck with your 6" knife. [editline]05:46PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BlazeFresh;20399388]Can you please stop saying "LMAO OK" "LOL NO" At the beginning of your posts, it's kind of annoying. Thanks[/QUOTE] Sorry, i'll try. <3

Guns win over knifes, theres no argument really. Unless we're talking about extreme close range, which can have alot of factors that determine which weapon would be more useful, but you wouldn't know which one till you were in that situation? So stop the arguing that knifes are better/worse because guns are a whole different ball game to knifes. Knifes are always a last ditch resort in the military, and theres a reason for that.

[QUOTE=BlazeFresh;20399463]Guns win over knifes, theres no argument really. Unless we're talking about extreme close range, which can have alot of factors that determine which weapon would be more useful, but you wouldn't know which one till you were in that situation? So stop the arguing that knifes are better/worse because guns are a whole different ball game to knifes. Knifes are always a last ditch resort in the military, and theres a reason for that.[/QUOTE] What you say is true. But it's still funny to think that a winter coats going to stop a 9mm bullet. Professional, up or down?

[QUOTE=Clever-Balls;20399482]What you say is true. But it's still funny to think that a winter coats going to stop a 9mm bullet. Professional, up or down?[/QUOTE] If your winter coat is made out of kevlar armor then yes :pseudo:

[QUOTE=Cyrex;20399221]Quoted everything just because of the mass idiocy, a concealed carry gun in almost all cases isn't enough to down someone, usually just pisses them off more. Go learn about bullets before bringing it up in something totally unrelated. Hell some ultra low caliber(like those some in most concealed carry guns) can't even penetrate thick layers of clothing(Like outdoor winter clothing). And while you're at it watch some disarming videos on youtube, it's not that hard as it seems. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAPke7EyfbU[/media] Isn't much of a disarming video but really shows you how to deal with knife fighters.[/QUOTE] Goddamn if Professional hadn't have beat me to the punch... Anyway, as he pointed out, the most common concealed carry calibers will fuck up your day royally. Unless they're totally jacked up on PCP or something, they will go down. I'm curious as to whether or not you get your information from someone or just spew it out trying to sound smart? Because you won't last .3 seconds against someone with a gun with that mindset.

Well if what he says is true, that he lives in a rough neighborhood where knife fights happen all the time apparently. It sounds like he lives in the vicinity of dumbasses. So he could very well have gained some dumbass knowledge from them.

[QUOTE=Clever-Balls;20399482] Professional, up or down?[/QUOTE] Irrelevant, I'm not stupid enough - oh wait, sorry, I'm not as badass as cyrex. Want to know what the best unarmed knife defense is? It's nothing fancy, it's outlined by George Thompson in his book "watch my back". It's rather simple really: punch the fucker in the jaw [B]BEFORE[/B] he gets it out, and then keep punching him until he drops, then punch him some more. If the knife is already in play, either run or PREPARE TO BE CUT/STABBED.

[QUOTE=professional;20399636]Irrelevant, I'm not stupid enough - oh wait, sorry, I'm not as badass as cyrex.[/QUOTE] While admitedly pointless, it's always fun to sparr.

[QUOTE=Clever-Balls;20399673]While admitedly pointless, it's always fun to sparr.[/QUOTE] Well it's not pointless, you're building skillsets to deal with that situation, but anyone who thinks they can disarm an attacker hollywood knife fight style is sadly misguided. Never said studying a combat art revolving around small blades isn't worth devoting time to, but Cyrex's fantasy posts coming from his years of being in knife fights, but valiantly choosing not to kill his attackers are hilarious.

Depends what are you going to do with knife.

From what I've heard story-wise people will generally carry on fighting after taking a bullet, not saying they wouldn't slump over and die after a few minutes, but in the heat of the moment (from what I've heard from a few places, don't know how valid the info was, can't remember where I got it from) someone in a life threatening situation will fight on after being severly wounded, even for the briefest of moments before all their blood rushes to their organs and their body shuts down.

[QUOTE=Conn92;20399746]From what I've heard story-wise people will generally carry on fighting after taking a bullet, not saying they wouldn't slump over and die after a few minutes, but in the heat of the moment (from what I've heard from a few places, don't know how valid the info was, can't remember where I got it from) someone in a life threatening situation will fight on after being severly wounded, even for the briefest of moments before all their blood rushes to their organs and their body shuts down.[/QUOTE] Mostly true, but you have to remeber that these are the shots that don't hit vital areas, if they do you'll be dead in a matter of seconds.

[QUOTE=Conn92;20399746]From what I've heard story-wise people will generally carry on fighting after taking a bullet, not saying they wouldn't slump over and die after a few minutes, but in the heat of the moment (from what I've heard from a few places, don't know how valid the info was, can't remember where I got it from) someone in a life threatening situation will fight on after being severly wounded, even for the briefest of moments before all their blood rushes to their organs and their body shuts down.[/QUOTE] It is not as common as people are made to think. Not saying it doesn't happen, it does, just not super often.

It's harder to take a knife away from someone when it's being held downwards.

Holding it down is for cool assassins. Cutting throat and stuffs

Backstabs would be easier, if you have the knife aiming down, unless you can twist your hand downwards in an awkward angle.

why is everyone in this thread acting like they're some kind of military kickass close combat master who knows all about close combat even when they're not?

[QUOTE=Peluri;20401922]why is everyone in this thread acting like they're some kind of military kickass close combat master who knows all about close combat even when they're not?[/QUOTE] welcome to cyrex

Both work just stab until his heart is bloody and beating in your hand Rate me friendly :buddy:

Easy: If you're holding your knife down when you fall, it hits the ground or possibly the person in front of you. If you hold it up, you stab yourself. Simple as that!

[QUOTE=Fps_Deffy;20403248]welcome to cyrex[/QUOTE] That ^

Holding the blade down gives you leverage for stronger, deeper penetrating stabs.

Holding a knife downward allows you to slash and stab with more force and control. Holding it upward gives you an inch or two more range, but it isn't worth what you'll be sacrificing. Holding a knife 'upward' means that to strike with any force, you'll have to move your arm [I]away[/I] from your torso (to allow you to strike with distance and power), leaving it unprotected. Holding it 'down', on the other hand, you'll move your arm [I]across[/I] your torso while preparing to strike, offering a chance to defend against strikes even as you prepare to attack. Professionals hold the knife with the blade pointed downward. [editline]12:57PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Conn92;20399746]From what I've heard story-wise people will generally carry on fighting after taking a bullet, not saying they wouldn't slump over and die after a few minutes, but in the heat of the moment (from what I've heard from a few places, don't know how valid the info was, can't remember where I got it from) someone in a life threatening situation will fight on after being severly wounded, even for the briefest of moments before all their blood rushes to their organs and their body shuts down.[/QUOTE] In combat, with endorphins and adrenaline pumping through the body, a person will only be incapacitated in the event he/she: Loses a limb Takes a shot that damages the heart, lungs or head Is hit by a heavy-caliber round.