So it's just fine that kids do sexual activities here and there? There is responsibility even in sex and kids wouldn't understand it.
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I don't care if a kid has seen a naked girl, it's sex I don't want to have in their minds.
[QUOTE=NeoDement;32413097]What sort of pathetic creature pays for sex? This should never happen.[/QUOTE]
So because you think it's pathetic everyone should instantly stop doing it?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413179]My parents got internet when I was at age 9, I didn't find out about porn untill 3-4 years later because I had pretty much never heard of it because you don't accidently go onto a porn site and people don't talk about sex around a kid.
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I didn't start feeling sexual untill around 3-4 years later and that's really when I started looking into the stuff. Not because anyone had told me to.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad to have your sexual problems. Now, when did zeze feelings of revulsion towards sex begin?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413479]I don't care if a kid has seen a naked girl, it's sex I don't want to have in their minds.[/QUOTE]
Bottling it up will do them no good. Give them the [b]facts[/b] instead of having them find out themselves from untrustworthy sources.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;32413538]I'm glad to have your sexual problems. Now, when did zeze feelings of revulsion towards sex begin?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry I don't get it?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413479]So it's just fine that kids do sexual activities here and there? There is responsibility even in sex and kids wouldn't understand it.
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I don't care if a kid has seen a naked girl, it's sex I don't want to have in their minds.[/QUOTE]
Sorry bro. Sex is hard wired into every healthy human's brain.
You can no more keep sex out of a kid in puberty than you can keep the cold out of snow.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32413553]Bottling it up will do them no good. Give them the [b]facts[/b] instead of having them find out themselves from untrustworthy sources.[/QUOTE]
Then teach them at age 12 at earliest.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413562]I'm sorry I don't get it?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Sigmund_Freud_LIFE.jpg/200px-Sigmund_Freud_LIFE.jpg[/img]
At least I think he's doing an impression of him
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;32413575]Sorry bro. Sex is hard wired into every healthy human's brain.
You can no more keep sex out of a kid in puberty than you can keep the cold out of snow.[/QUOTE]
And I'm not talking about kids in puberty.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413562]I'm sorry I don't get it?[/QUOTE]
Well if you're going to tell us your entire sexual history you might as well also tell us why you see it as inherently bad.
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[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413581]And I'm not talking about kids in puberty.[/QUOTE]
Kids who aren't in puberty won't care and won't search for it.
And that's what I'm doing, I'm alright with kids in puberty experimenting, because usually they're cautious about it and understand enough to not be too foolish about it.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32413580][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Sigmund_Freud_LIFE.jpg/200px-Sigmund_Freud_LIFE.jpg[/img]
At least I think he's doing an impression of him[/QUOTE]
Ach, theez man has ze right idea.
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[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413614]And that's what I'm doing, I'm alright with kids in puberty experimenting, because usually they're cautious about it and understand enough to not be too foolish about it.[/QUOTE]
When exactly do you think puberty starts?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413479]So it's just fine that kids do sexual activities here and there? There is responsibility even in sex and[b] kids wouldn't understand it[/b].[/QUOTE]
That's the point; the "sexual activities" kids may engage in are completely meaningless BECAUSE they don't understand it. They don't need understand the "adult view" of sex at that point, because at their age "sexual activities" invokes neither the same physical or emotional implications it would in an adult.
This is massively off-topic by the way.
wait what, prostitution is illegal?
what kind of archaic christian value bullshit is that
like george carlin said, two of the most popular, legal things combined, selling and fucking, but you cant sell fucking?
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;32413678]That's the point; the "sexual activities" kids may engage in are completely meaningless BECAUSE they don't understand it. They don't need understand the "adult view" of sex at that point, because at their age "sexual activities" invokes neither the same physical or emotional implications it would in an adult.
This is massively off-topic by the way.[/QUOTE]
Then again I ask, is it alright for kids to play with eachothers genitals?
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;32413617]When exactly do you think puberty starts?[/QUOTE]
Around age 11-13 usually, depending on what sex you're talking about.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32411254]I like it illegal as it is here in Sweden.
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It's just not appropriate to cast out there in society as an ordinary career path or entertainment or whatever.[/QUOTE]
Who are you to determine what is appropriate?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413705]Then again I ask, is it alright for kids to play with eachothers genitals?[/QUOTE]
well yeah, not intrinsically
they don't know what they shit they're doing, they're innocent
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;32413746]Who are you to determine what is appropriate?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I take that back, I've been given some arguments to think about.
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[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32413752]well yeah, not intrinsically
they don't know what they shit they're doing, they're innocent[/QUOTE]
Not when they realise what they've been doing.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413760]Not when they realise what they've been doing.[/QUOTE]
Then it's a learning experience.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413705]Then again I ask, is it alright for kids to play with eachothers genitals?
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Yes. It simply doesn't mean the same thing when kids do it because they haven't developed an adult's physical and emotional response to it. To them, it's just about finding out what the other looks like without clothes.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32411999]But what do you mean enforcing my morals? Am I not allowed to teach my children what is right or wrong?[/QUOTE]
You're not forced to send your children to brothels. Legal or not, if they're so down or so into it that they'll eventually become a prostitute, chances are they'll find it.
Prostitution should of course be legal. To say otherwise is to suggest that a person does not have a right to their body. Pimping should also be legal. The fallacy many people commit is associating black market behavior with the profession. Pimps are essentially brokers, and brokering is a completely legitimate profession. It is also good to point out that prostitutes don't sell their body, rather they sell a service.
No regulation required besides what the rules all businesses must follow. This may seem somewhat odd of a claim to make because most people argue for mandatory tests, yet a mandate isn't needed.
The first thing to note is that it is in the customer's full interest to ensure that the worker is clean. The worker's best choice would be medical examination where the results would be proof. If the worker refuses to get tested of provide test results, nobody is likely to hire them. If the worker has only provided an old test result, nobody is likely to hire them. It would be like if someone is trying to sell you a car and is showing you that it passed inspection a five year ago. The customer would likely ask for the worker to get tested to receive service, same case with the car.
In the case of the brothel, it is a business that hinges much of its success on its reputation. If it were found out that brothel were unclean, they are likely to lose a lot of money or at worst go out of business. Many of the brothels in Nevada realize this and because of this they test their workers more than regulations require. A big reason for this of course is that they can advertise is that they've never had an issue with STI's. Really the point in the case of brothels is that brothels have it in their full interest to ensure their business is clean, and a testing mandate is a bit pointless.
In the case of the individual worker, testing mandates are more harmful because it creates less incentive for safety. To put it this way, what incentive does customer have to ensure that the worker is anymore than passing the mandate? And what incentive does the worker have to ensure that they are getting tested any more than the mandate? Really it's a moral hazard of government assurance.
If you still don't quite get my point, imagine that without regulation most people would find a period of 1 week safe. In the market, the workers have to get tested ever week, since there is a competitiveness for safety, this period of 1 week may actually shrink to say 4 days over time. Now imagine the government mandates that workers must get tested every two weeks. Although consumers previously demanded higher levels of safety, the argument from authority lowers this demand for safety, and at worst creates an atmosphere where what is considered safe is getting tested every two weeks. Without the mandate the consumer had it in their full interest to ensure the worker has clean, and the worker has it in their full interest to ensure that they were and would remain clean, yet with the mandate, the customers doesn't have much of an incentive to go beyond the mandate and neither does the worker.
I can see some rebuttals to this such that the mandate makes sense in that scientifically it only makes sense to get tested this often, yet the argument is about safety, and a market with no mandates on testing would be far safer.
Pepin, Pimps aren't really that nice of people. They abuse their workers, treat them like cattle.
You seriously want zero regulation on pimps?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32413535]So because you think it's pathetic everyone should instantly stop doing it?[/QUOTE]It's already illegal. I don't even have to back up my viewpoint.
[QUOTE=faze;32412218]So if you were married with kids, you'd let your wife be a prostitute?[/QUOTE]
That'd be her choice, we're not saying that every woman should be a prostitute, we're saying it shouldn't be illegal.
[QUOTE=NeoDement;32414133]It's already illegal. I don't even have to back up my viewpoint.[/QUOTE]
what?
We're debating about whether it should be legalised.
"I think X should be legal, for reasons Y and Z"
"Well you're wrong because X is illegal!"
??????????
"So because you think it's pathetic everyone should instantly stop doing it?"
I answered your question. Everyone should already not be doing it, by law.
[QUOTE=Pepin;32414052]In the case of the individual worker, testing mandates are more harmful because it creates less incentive for safety. To put it this way, what incentive does customer have to ensure that the worker is anymore than passing the mandate? And what incentive does the worker have to ensure that they are getting tested any more than the mandate? Really it's a moral hazard of government assurance.[/QUOTE]
uh what? you either have an STI or you don't; it's not a matter of degrees.
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[QUOTE=NeoDement;32414212]"So because you think it's pathetic everyone should instantly stop doing it?"
I answered your question. Everyone should already not be doing it, by law.[/QUOTE]
yes because everyone lives in a country where it's illegal, I'm sorry I forgot
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32412491]Keeping pre-teens away from sex is a good thing though isn't it? Wouldn't it be alot harder to do that with prostitution?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure brothels won't get planning permission outside schools and playgrounds, this is what we mean by regulation, making sure that what goes on is safe and everyone consents, including neighbors. You have to be over a certain age to fuck legally anyway, so I assume it will be regulated in a similar way to alcohol in that respect, show id or no ride.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32411767]I don't want my future children to be exposed to prostitution and I sure as hell don't want my children going into prostitution themselves.[/QUOTE]
Are you worried about your children becoming strippers or porn stars? Those are legal too.
And guess what: if they do, it's your fault for being a bad parent.
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