• Prostitution
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[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32414098]Pepin, Pimps aren't really that nice of people. They abuse their workers, treat them like cattle. You seriously want zero regulation on pimps?[/QUOTE] I don't understand, I mean I even said "the fallacy many people commit is associating black market behavior with the profession". I also didn't say zero regulation, they should abide by the same rules that all people in business abide by. [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32414228]uh what? you either have an STI or you don't; it's not a matter of degrees.[/QUOTE] You don't quite understand. We can both agree that the the more often a person gets tested the better. A test a prostitute had a year ago showing their clean tells you nothing, while a test a month ago tells you something, a test a week ago tells you even more, and a test just today tells you the most. It is the time between tests that is risky. Again, you can make a scientific argument saying that every X amount of days is all that is necessary, but in an issue that revolves around safety, no mandates would not only make things safer, but there would be no force involved. No system of testing could ever be perfect as people are fallible. It is always possible that a worker picks up a STI the day after a test and passes this test onto the customers. Even if there isn't an STI that is capable of that at the moment, one is likely to come into being. If you accept my argument, if such a scenario were to occur, less people were to be infected as the worker would have gotten tested sooner due to the consumer demand for safety.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32412660]So it's still okay for them to do things like oral or just play with eachothers genitals?[/QUOTE] Shit happens (the problem is with a significantly older person involved), but I have dealt with 8 year olds, and as far as I can tell they find the opposite sex stinky.
[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;32411559]I have £200 going spare. Legalise it now. [editline]dont ban me please[/editline] In the end it doesn't cause intentional harm if the hookers are self-employed.[/QUOTE] Its legal(ish) in the UK Curb crawling and Pimping is illegal, although prostitution itself is legal.
Prostitution illegal? Nope. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--h_fKBYtlQ&feature=fvst[/media] Legal prostitution is best prostitution.
I understand what you're saying, that you could regulate prostitution more easily if it we're legal. However, more girls would become prostitutes, and more men would use prostitutes. This would lead to a lot less women in the typical workplace, and the slow degradation of women's rights.
[QUOTE=Pepin;32414330]I also didn't say zero regulation, they should abide by the same rules that all people in business abide by.[/QUOTE] But given what you also advocate in terms of business regulation in general (ie your title) you can understand where the confusion might arise from. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414386]I understand what you're saying, that you could regulate prostitution more easily if it we're legal. However, more girls would become prostitutes, and more men would use prostitutes. This would lead to a lot less women in the typical workplace, and the slow degradation of women's rights.[/QUOTE] slippery slope fallacy also you imply only women can be prostitutes
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414386]I understand what you're saying, that you could regulate prostitution more easily if it we're legal. However, more girls would become prostitutes, and more men would use prostitutes. This would lead to a lot less women in the typical workplace, and the slow degradation of women's rights.[/QUOTE] There will always be prostitutes legal or illegal. It's easy money for single women. I believe it's usually addicted women that need hundreds of euros a day for their shots.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32413479]So it's just fine that kids do sexual activities here and there? There is responsibility even in sex and kids wouldn't understand it. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] I don't care if a kid has seen a naked girl, it's sex I don't want to have in their minds.[/QUOTE] I went to a catholic school, and at age 10 I though you got pregnant by hugging, and I don't think that was healthy.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414386]I understand what you're saying, that you could regulate prostitution more easily if it we're legal. However, more girls would become prostitutes, and more men would use prostitutes. This would lead to a lot less women in the typical workplace, and the slow degradation of women's rights.[/QUOTE] No not really. Pornography doesn't have this effect, why would prostitution?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32414389]But given what you also advocate in terms of business regulation in general (ie your title) you can understand where the confusion might arise from. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] slippery slope fallacy also you imply only women can be prostitutes[/QUOTE] Men are the large majority of who uses prostitutes. Also, with more women being used as sexual objects, tell me that we wouldn't almost immediately become a sexist country.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hyvyt.png[/IMG] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe[/url] Legal in most places in Europe, and I think its a good thing.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414497]Men are the large majority of who uses prostitutes. Also, with more women being used as sexual objects, tell me that we wouldn't almost immediately become a sexist country.[/QUOTE] they're already being used as sexual objects regardless of whether or not prostitution is legal. if anything they're treated more like objects with it illegal and unregulated, because they work in shitty conditions and are often dependent on drugs supplied by their employers. how is giving sex workers better conditions sexist?
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414497]Men are the large majority of who uses prostitutes. Also, with more women being used as sexual objects, tell me that we wouldn't almost immediately become a sexist country.[/QUOTE] Just because a law changes a country doesn't change with it. The people that actually hire whores are often rich fuckers with no love in their life. Their are already a problem, so it won't matter much anyhow.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414497]Men are the large majority of who uses prostitutes. Also, with more women being used as sexual objects, tell me that we wouldn't almost immediately become a sexist country.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.switched.com/2007/05/15/exclusive-internet-porn-is-popular/[/url] By that logic women should be slaves already.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414386]I understand what you're saying, that you could regulate prostitution more easily if it we're legal. However, more girls would become prostitutes, and more men would use prostitutes. This would lead to a lot less women in the typical workplace, and the slow degradation of women's rights.[/QUOTE] The same way everyone will go do heroin if it were legal right?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32414534]they're already being used as sexual objects regardless of whether or not prostitution is legal. if anything they're treated more like objects with it illegal and unregulated, because they work in shitty conditions and are often dependent on drugs supplied by their employers. how is giving sex workers better conditions sexist?[/QUOTE] You know, I think you're right, prostitutes should be given better conditions, when I meant it shouldn't be legalized, I was talking about making it a government thing. If it becomes a government thing, it ends up being almost like the government is the pimp. It should be allowed to happen and policed, but not taxed. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rubs10;32414644]The same way everyone will go do heroin if it were legal right?[/QUOTE] I was going to use that as an example, but people actually might do heroin if it were legal. I know we would like to think of ourselves as being responsible without the law, but it doesn't work that way.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414673]You know, I think you're right, prostitutes should be given better conditions, when I meant it shouldn't be legalized, I was talking about making it a government thing. If it becomes a government thing, it ends up being almost like the government is the pimp. It should be allowed to happen and policed, but not taxed.[/QUOTE] So you're uneasy with the Government being potentially sexist? Yeah I can understand that. However seeing as the Government is the employer, shouldn't they pay income tax at the very least? I mean, even soldiers have to pay taxes.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32414754]So you're uneasy with the Government being potentially sexist? Yeah I can understand that. However seeing as the Government is the employer, shouldn't they pay income tax at the very least? I mean, even soldiers have to pay taxes.[/QUOTE] It would end up with the government wanting more money, so they eventually would encourage women to become prostitues so that they can make money. So no.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414777]It would end up with the government wanting more money, so they eventually would encourage women to become prostitues so that they can make money. So no.[/QUOTE] Alright, what if brothels are private enterprises that compete, but heavily regulated by the state?
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414777]It would end up with the government wanting more money, so they [b]eventually would encourage women to become prostitues[/b] so that they can make money. So no.[/QUOTE] Wait what, what are you basing this on?
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414777]It would end up with the government wanting more money, so they eventually would encourage women to become prostitues so that they can make money. So no.[/QUOTE] If legalized, prostitution would be a competitive business like any other, and wouldn't be "encouraged" more than any other particular job already is. Being competitive also means it would self-regulate in terms of employer rate. You wouldn't see women everywhere turning to legal prostitution unless there was a demand to meet that, and considering the common social stigmas associated with having sex with someone else outside of your relationship I don't see buying prostitutes becoming massively popular any time soon.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414673]I was going to use that as an example, but people actually might do heroin if it were legal. I know we would like to think of ourselves as being responsible without the law, but it doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE] [url=http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3383]There's no proof that drug decriminalization results in more use.[/url]
[QUOTE=Jelly donut;32414819]Wait what, what are you basing this on?[/QUOTE] The fact that the United States has a 14 trillion dollar deficit. That's what I'm basing it on.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414777]It would end up with the government wanting more money, so they eventually would encourage women to become prostitues so that they can make money. So no.[/QUOTE] I prefer it legal so that they pay taxes rather than having pimps run the show illegally and the women having no rights.
[QUOTE=Jelly donut;32414819]Wait what, what are you basing this on?[/QUOTE] The Government actively advertises for positions in the military, which is about killing people at its core. It's not too much of a stretch to think they'd do the same for prostitution, which I admit I hadn't thought of before.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414877]The fact that the United States has a 14 trillion dollar deficit. That's what I'm basing it on.[/QUOTE] What.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;32414867][url=http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3383]There's no proof that drug decriminalization results in more use.[/url][/QUOTE] We aren't talking about legalizing a very very very harmful drug, we're talking about prostitution. Also, I'm all for legalizing marijuana. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jelly donut;32414930]What.[/QUOTE] What an intelligent and well thought out response.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414977]We aren't talking about legalizing a very very very harmful drug, we're talking about prostitution.[/QUOTE] they're similar things a better argument is to compare a country's prostitution rate (?) before and after decriminalisation, but of course there isn't any data for that for obvious reasons
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32414977]We aren't talking about legalizing a very very very harmful drug, we're talking about prostitution.[/QUOTE] :doh:
[QUOTE=sami-elite;32414890]I prefer it legal so that they pay taxes rather than having pimps run the show illegally and the women having no rights.[/QUOTE] I'm agreeing with you that it should be legalized, but not taxed by the government.
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