America as the Enemy in WWII? - General

That will be hard to find. All war movies are propaganda for their country

AMERICA IS THE ENEMY Down with the Great Satan of the West!

Why do so many people hate Americans. I know the typical stereo types. Fat, Trigger happy, and rude. But lets me honest all of those stereo types relate to one state, Alabama. Personally I like other countries and even if they hate us I like the people. But lets change what people are saying. Instead of Americans are pigs!!!, say Alabama people are pigs!!!

definately [B]downfall[/B]. it shows the whole madness of nazi germany and hitler himself but you will feel sorry for the soldiers and civilians that were victim of propaganda or just got caught in the stream of hitlers mad dream. Even hitler himself is portrayed as a crazy old man who also had gread political power. We even see his human side, like a friendly neighbor, who deep inside has ill ideas and talks crazy, only that he also had the influence to murder millions with these ideas. In downfall, there is no good and bad, only wrong.

Das Boot. It's a submarine movie though. [editline]07:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt N3wb;24780721]Why do so many people hate Americans. I know the typical stereo types. Fat, Trigger happy, and rude. But lets me honest all of those stereo types relate to one state, Alabama. Personally I like other countries and even if they hate us I like the people. But lets change what people are saying. Instead of Americans are pigs!!!, say Alabama people are pigs!!![/QUOTE] I don't think it's because people hate America. They just want an authentic un-biased WW2 movie.

[QUOTE=kirderf;24782177]Das Boot. It's a submarine movie though. [editline]07:54PM[/editline] I don't think it's because people hate America. They just want an authentic un-biased WW2 movie.[/QUOTE] It's hard to find un-biased movies because the winner's write history.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24776658]It's gotten on my last nerve that almost every WWII movie ever made shows the Americans as the squeaky-clean, invincible good guys, and the Germans as these wretchedly-trained, borderline-demonic idiots. I'm getting so sick of it, and I really want to find some unbiased movie about WWII. Is there any such WWII movie that makes the Americans the antagonists, for once? [editline]09:05AM[/editline] Wasn't sure if this goes in Films or Fast Threads.[/QUOTE] it'd be historically inaccurate for many reasons 1) the americans look clean and the germans look gritty in a literal sense because the americans joined the fight late 2) the americans usually did kick their ass so it'd be silly to show germans raining hell on the americans 3) it's not that the germans were idiots or whathaveyou it's that the americans just had more resources and up to date weapons and machinery seeing as they joined in late 4) honestly i don't think i've seen any movie or even show (ie band of brothers) that depicts the germans as demonic or anything like that, it's just "Us and them", seldom is the main focus "THESE GUYS KILL JEWS" because everybody was more intent on "THESE GUYS ARE THE ENEMY" while in battle and "THESE GUYS KILL JEWS" later on when they're not in battle. [editline]11:15AM[/editline] [QUOTE=kirderf;24782177]I don't think it's because people hate America. They just want an authentic un-biased WW2 movie.[/QUOTE] it's not even a matter of bias or un-bias. authentic is applied to authentic movies, not shit like pearl harbor (shit, more japanese than germans, but shit) or inglourious basterds (hardly shit but hardly authentic, wasn't trying to be though)

I thought Band of Brothers was unbiased enough. It didn't exactly say the Germans were the good guys, but they weren't really portrayed as the bad guys either. The Americans in the movie even mentioned how the Germans weren't that different from them, how they could have been good friends if it wasn't for the war.

it's more "i want to see more than just americans making wwii movies" because the reality is most if not all of the big WWII movies are made by americans [editline]11:18AM[/editline] [QUOTE=toastedspyro;24782712]I thought Band of Brothers was unbiased enough. It didn't exactly say the Germans were the good guys, but they weren't really portrayed as the bad guys either. The Americans in the movie even mentioned how the Germans weren't that different from them, how they could have been good friends if it wasn't for the war.[/QUOTE] exactly, one of airborne [sp]actually was german, and in i think the third episode they walk by a group of german POWs and he happens to be from this one part another soldier is and he gets the realization that they're just people like themselves[/sp]

[QUOTE=M_B;24782726]it's more "i want to see more than just americans making wwii movies" because the reality is most if not all of the big WWII movies are made by americans [editline]11:18AM[/editline] exactly, one of airborne [sp]actually was german, and in i think the third episode they walk by a group of german POWs and he happens to be from this one part another soldier is and he gets the realization that they're just people like themselves[/sp][/QUOTE] And the end as well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcMk85ZsBh0[/media]

Actually it was the other way around. One of the German POWs was from Oregon.

Inglorius Basterds depicted a group of Americans as just as evil and sadistic as the [del]Nazis[/del] Germans who could be soldiers they so gleefully torture to death. Have you seen how many civilians were in the theater at the climax?

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;24783494]Inglorius Basterds depicted a group of Americans as just as evil and sadistic as the [del]Nazis[/del] Germans who could be soldiers they so gleefully torture to death. Have you seen how many civilians were in the theater at the climax?[/QUOTE] That movie actually demonized the protagonists, I think it was a satire on the concept GMod_77 is arguing about, how the Americans/Allies were always clean cut humans and the Germans were seen as little more then Nazis. The only time the Germans ever do anything bad in that movie was when they were hunting the Jews, and even then those are SS officers, while the Basterds were gleefully slaughtering and dismembering Wehrmacht soldiers. Hell, Tarantino purposefully gave that German soldier in the cellar a backstory (son was just born, etc.) just so you feel terrible when the actress coldly shoots him for no reason other then he's a "bad guy."

Yeah, that was the whole point of the movie to me. Hans Landa was a cordial, charismatic character that wasn't actually very disagreeable, while the supposed heroes were effectively brutish butchers. It was about perceptions of heroes, or at least good and evil.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24776658]It's gotten on my last nerve that almost every WWII movie ever made shows the Americans as the squeaky-clean, invincible good guys, and the Germans as these wretchedly-trained, borderline-demonic idiots. I'm getting so sick of it, and I really want to find some unbiased movie about WWII. Is there any such WWII movie that makes the Americans the antagonists, for once? [editline]09:05AM[/editline] Wasn't sure if this goes in Films or Fast Threads.[/QUOTE] I guess there is no such game or movie where you would be on German side fighting against Americans.

Grave of the fireflies, It's an anime.. *YAH BOO HISS* But it's not about magic or pixies or creatures. It's about two orphans in world war two japan. based on a real story. *D'awww!* And it will make you cry manly tears.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24776658]It's gotten on my last nerve that almost every WWII movie ever made shows the Americans as the squeaky-clean, invincible good guys, and the Germans as these wretchedly-trained, borderline-demonic idiots. I'm getting so sick of it, and I really want to find some unbiased movie about WWII. Is there any such WWII movie that makes the Americans the antagonists, for once? [editline]09:05AM[/editline] Wasn't sure if this goes in Films or Fast Threads.[/QUOTE] that might have something to do with the fact that the Axis powers' armies were poorly trained, and often were criminally insane.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPFjbDCJfmw&feature=related[/media] those bastards!

[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;24784925]that might have something to do with the fact that the Axis powers' armies were poorly trained, and often were criminally insane.[/QUOTE] Wow, your opinions is like, totally not biased at all.

Actually haven't seen a single one.

Why would you even suggest America was the bad guys. Why would you want the Nazis to be the good guys, they wanted to take over the world and if you weren't of Aryan descent you were fucked. Why would you want those people to be the good guys. Im all up for movies that switch perspectives from the axis to the allies, but in no way can you say the Americans or the Allies were the bad guys in WW2.

[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;24785250]Why would you even suggest America was the bad guys. Why would you want the Nazis to be the good guys, they wanted to take over the world and if you weren't of Aryan descent you were fucked. Why would you want those people to be the good guys. Im all up for movies that switch perspectives from the axis to the allies, but in no way can you say the Americans or the Allies were the bad guys in WW2.[/QUOTE] In the end it doesn't come to who was good and who was bad, nothing is that black and white. Some soldiers fight for a cause, others because they were forced. Some soldiers shot Jew's with glee, some cried and never forgot the faces of those who they were forced to kill. Every army has two faces, the question is which face shines more.

Is half of FP having visions and seeing shit that isn't in the OP? Because I didn't see him say that the Americans were bad and the Germans good, he just asked for a movie that doesn't depict Americans as something they were not (knights in shining armour liberating the poor people from the evil Germans and the Germans being mindless cannon-fodder).

I'm gonna have to third or fourth Band of Brothers, it's a great, gritty portrayal with tons of emotion.

Stalingrad, downfall, and (somewhat) saving private ryan. I mean, in this one both Americans and Germans are unlimited savage dicks, so yeah. [editline]10:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=darcy010;24776787]Thats the same thing with video games. (Single player only) You always play as the true blue Americans. Never the Germans. [/QUOTE] Brother in arms actually allowed the player to be a german in SP.

Valkyrie, if you don't mind it sucking.

[QUOTE=M_B;24782655] 3) it's not that the germans were idiots or whathaveyou it's that the americans just had more resources and up to date weapons and machinery seeing as they joined in late [/QUOTE] Actually, the Germans had way superior technology at the time, but not that it helped them much in the end.

Also Battle of the Bulge didn't portray either as the bad guys (except maybe for one German commander, but that was more of an extreme will to win and stubbornness than evil) but told the story from the German's part.

Actually I do remember this one movie (forgot the name, sorry) where these Germans paratroopers dropped into England to kill Winston Churchill and were the good guys. They fought off a bunch of Americans and even a few British guys if I remember correctly, but they still ended up losing in the end.

[QUOTE=Jasun;24779218]I'd like a film which switched between the two perspectives of an American and a German soldier.[/QUOTE] I'd like a film based on CoD where some German kid takes part in one of the anti-eugenics rally, and watching the Nazi regime and being really scared of it, and so's his mother, and eventually he turns 18 and gets drafted, sent off to France and gets killed by an American who then says "Yyeahh! Joo got pwned bitch! See those things all over the wall? That's your fucking SKULL, bitch!" and then he teabags him.