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2) the americans usually did kick their ass so it'd be silly to show germans raining hell on the americans[/QUOTE]
Per se, but not really because of good fighting ability.
Generals, mainly Patton, os the US knew that their troops were poor (Patton ordered his SMGers to hip-fire-human wave rush, as they were so bad with the guns that they couldn't aim properly), but instead of focusing on improving them, he used higher numbers and limitless material to his advantage. He'd rush the Germans so fast that they couldn't fight back, sort of like counter-blitzkrieg.
The American did lose quite a bit of men and battles, however. About 300,000-400,000 dead over the course of the war, more casualties than the Commonwealth and France.
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[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;24784925]that might have something to do with the fact that the Axis powers' armies were poorly trained, and often were criminally insane.[/QUOTE]
Germany's armies were poorly-trained? :colbert:
Yeah, about every other Axis nation, save for Japan, had horrible armies, but sure as hell not Germany.
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[QUOTE=Careld;24784557]I guess there is no such game or movie where you would be on German side fighting against Americans.[/QUOTE]
Well, plenty of competitive multiplayer games let you play as Germany. But as far as I know, the only story-based games that let you play as the Germans are Band of Brothers and Company of Heroes.
Operation Flashpoint (the original) really made a breakthrough in less-biased gaming. Red Hammer and Resistance let you fight and kill American soldiers, and some missions in RH let you rain absolute hell down on them. It was pretty awesome.
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[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;24786540]Actually I do remember this one movie (forgot the name, sorry) where these Germans paratroopers dropped into England to kill Winston Churchill and were the good guys. They fought off a bunch of Americans and even a few British guys if I remember correctly, but they still ended up losing in the end.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eagle_Has_Landed_(film[/URL])
Cool-looking film. Sort of like a "300" situation.
I'll watch this soon if I can.
GMod fan, what is wrong with you?
I remember watching Joyeux Noel and it did a pretty good job of portraying both sides.
[QUOTE=melonmonkey;24790988]GMod fan, what is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]
he hates america for some reason
probably because he was born in kentucky
What about Band of Brothers? Sure it tells it from an American perspective, but it doesn't portray the as completely good. I can think of at least 4 scenes where crimes are committed; When one Soldier sprays a group of POW's with his Thompson / During the truckride we see Soldiers executing POW's / The part where they break into that cottage and kill that man who they [I]thought[/I] was a Nazi (iirc it's never stated if he was or not, so for all we know they just murdered a random civilian) / Near end where the drunk Soldier kills several German and British Troops, then fires at (and severely wounds) the American NCO who confronts him.
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Plus it's an amazing series.
Band of Brothers also has a few moments where they humanize the Germans.
Like that one scene where an airborne troop talks to the a German POW, and finds out they used to live in the same town.
World War II in HD shows the Americans in a gritty reality, some guy shoots about 5-8 German pow with a Thompson because the Germans killed his parents.
[QUOTE=melonmonkey;24790988]GMod fan, what is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]
Because not wanting to always see the Yanks as the good guys is a bad thing. :downs:
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[QUOTE=Trit19;24792243]World War II in HD shows the Americans in a gritty reality, some guy shoots about 5-8 German pow with a Thompson because the Germans killed his parents.[/QUOTE]
Good, but I kind of want some realism.
Realism, as in not a movie that shows an Americans kill 50 Germans on his own. I want a movie that shows the Germans as the elite soldiers they are, not the mindless cattle-to-the-slaughter that most WWII movies show them as.
why dont you explain your deep seated hatred for americans you kentuck-cum-brit
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24792248]Because not wanting to always see the Yanks as the good guys is a bad thing. :downs:
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Red Hammer and Resistance let you fight and kill American soldiers, and some missions in RH let you rain absolute hell down on them. [B]It was pretty awesome.[/B]
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Not wanting to see them in a good light and wanting to kill them are two completely different things.
I would like to know a WWII movie that depicts Americans as these so called "shining knights" as many of you make them out to be. You people are over-exaggerating that much. No surprise, Gmod_Fan started the thread...
Most high budget, REALISTIC, WWII movies do good portraying the humanity and inhumanity of both sides.
If you want to see a movie with Americans dying left and right like lambs to the slaughter (highly unrealistic but whatever satisfies your disturbing fancy...) then you should definitely watch Inglorious Basterds. Specifically the scenes in the theatre where German high command are watching that movie about the lone sniper. You'll get a kick out of that :rolleyes:
So, are there any WW2 movies about British soldiers that dont make them out to be white knights?
I'm just saying, that the world doesnt want to see German soldiers as people, because they are taught that Germans=Nazis= [B]Bad[/B].
So you want to see A movie just like the American ones, except its German soldiers?
All Quit on The Western Front
The Thin Red Line sorta.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;24783494]Inglorius Basterds depicted a group of Americans as just as evil and sadistic as the [del]Nazis[/del] Germans who could be soldiers they so gleefully torture to death. Have you seen how many civilians were in the theater at the climax?[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with this (though it may just be that IB is my favorite movie of all time) It may not be realistic, but it does an excellent job muddling the lines between good an evil.
I mean, seriously, how can you sympathize with these guys?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esz8twdBuRw[/media]
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24792248]Because not wanting to always see the Yanks as the good guys is a bad thing. :downs:
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Good, but I kind of want some realism.
Realism, as in not a movie that shows an Americans kill 50 Germans on his own. I want a movie that shows the Germans as the elite soldiers they are, not the mindless cattle-to-the-slaughter that most WWII movies show them as.[/QUOTE]
It really happened, it's not some script.
about 3/4 of his posts are anti american
[quote] Good, but I kind of want some realism.
Realism, as in not a movie that shows an Americans kill 50 Germans on his own. I want a movie that shows the Germans as the elite soldiers they are, not the mindless cattle-to-the-slaughter that most WWII movies show them as.[/quote]
The Germans weren't super elites in WW2, Infact most of the Germans where Wehrmatch and they where like your everyday American and British GI. 18-25 year old kids, and towards the end of the war when the Allies where advancing close to Berlin they started using the Volks-grenadiers, which where old men and kids from the age of 12-15.
And most of the SS and such was fighting on the Eastern front, So your going to need to look for a movie that's based on the Eastern front. Crosses of iron and Stalingrad are going to be your best bets I think. Most WW2 movies from America are based on American and British troops, and WW2 movies from Russia tend to be based on the Eastern front, your going to have a very hard time, because most Russian WW2 movies from 1945-1980's are just going to be lined with propaganda
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;24786540]Actually I do remember this one movie (forgot the name, sorry) where these Germans paratroopers dropped into England to kill Winston Churchill and were the good guys. They fought off a bunch of Americans and even a few British guys if I remember correctly, but they still ended up losing in the end.[/QUOTE]
you're talking about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eagle_Has_Landed_%28film%29]The Eagle Has Landed[/url], quite a good film
Schindler's List is a good one. Schindler is a German and a member of the Nazi party and he does a lot of good. Even the German soldiers, officials and the camp commander were shown to be more human than monster (maybe tortured but still human).
Might not be exactly what you are after though. It deals with far behind the lines and the only enemy soldier ever seen is a Russian on a horse. If you are after dead Americans, then there's not much there.
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[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;24794231]And most of the SS and such was fighting on the Eastern front, So your going to need to look for a movie that's based on the Eastern front. Crosses of iron and Stalingrad are going to be your best bets I think. Most WW2 movies from America are based on American and British troops, and WW2 movies from Russia tend to be based on the Eastern front, your going to have a very hard time, because most Russian WW2 movies from 1945-1980's are just going to be lined with propaganda[/QUOTE]
Well you're either going to have Russian propaganda or American propaganda as most western movies set in Russia still follow cold war stereotypes. There are plenty of good ones made in Russia that aren't lined with propaganda just like there are western movies not lined with propaganda.
The reason there's never been a film from the german side is because Nazi Germany was responsible for the holocaust, and audiences would have a hard time associating with them because every German is a Nazi, apparently :v:
The animated movie "Grave of the Fireflies" shows the hardships of two Japanese children trying to survive after Americans bombed the town they lived in and killed their mother. So I guess it kind of shows Americans as the bad guys.
Fucking sad movie but a really amazing one. Check it out.
Do NOT watch the live action version though. It's terrible.
Look for something based around Operation Market Garden.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;24794483]Look for something based around Operation Market Garden.[/QUOTE]
Apparently the movie "A Bridge Too Far" is about Market Garden but I haven't seen it so I don't know how good it is. It's told from the American side so at best the Germans will be seen as a worthy adversary.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;24794231]The Germans weren't super elites in WW2, Infact most of the Germans where Wehrmatch and they where like your everyday American and British GI. 18-25 year old kids, and towards the end of the war when the Allies where advancing close to Berlin they started using the Volks-grenadiers, which where old men and kids from the age of 12-15.[/QUOTE]
Volksgrenadiers were basically people that would not normally be fit for service. Too old, too young, overweight, recovering injured. It also contained personnel from the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe. The Volksturm is probably the worst example and a sign that they were very desperate. Volksturm personnel were hastily trained and poorly equipped. They often wore uniforms that they made up themselves because there wasn't enough real ones, they were issued any weapon available, whether it was a Kar98, an M1 Garand, a PPSh, or a G98. They also produced cheap metal SMG's and Rifles to fill in the gaps. This also turned out to be a logistical nightmare, as you could imagine.
However if you want elite, Waffen-SS is where it's at.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24794557]Apparently the movie "A Bridge Too Far" is about Market Garden but I haven't seen it so I don't know how good it is. It's told from the American side so at best the Germans will be seen as a worthy adversary.[/QUOTE]
Well it was a massive failure, and Waffen-SS and panzer divisions were involved. However, most of the Allied forces are captured, not slaughtered, so I don't know if GMod_77 would like that.
[QUOTE=Lexico;24786433]Actually, the Germans had way superior technology at the time, but not that it helped them much in the end.[/QUOTE]
Tech? Yes. Actual equipment? Not even close. Hitler wasn't terribly accepting of new technology. So all the neat stuff like the Me-262? Totally cockblocked by Hither because he liked propeller aircraft. The list goes on and on. He was innovative at the start of the war with his new tactics, but by the end of it his troops were suffering greatly due to trailing equipment.
The US had, across the board, more hardware than anyone else. It was plentiful, it was expensive, and it was well made. It made the US extremely dangerous.
[QUOTE=GunFox;24794625]Tech? Yes. Actual equipment? Not even close. Hitler wasn't terribly accepting of new technology. So all the neat stuff like the Me-262? Totally cockblocked by Hither because he liked propeller aircraft. The list goes on and on. He was innovative at the start of the war with his new tactics, but by the end of it his troops were suffering greatly due to trailing equipment. [/QUOTE]
That's true. Even the infamous StG44 was disguised as the MP44 (implying it was a new submachinegun, not an automatic rifle) until someone off-handily mentioned they needed "more of those new rifles" at a meeting. After being able to test-fire one, Hitler approved of it and it was renamed "Sturmgewehr 44".
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They sure had the skill, strength, and tactics, if they had a better leader, they probably could have won WW2.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;24793296]
If you want to see a movie with Americans dying left and right like lambs to the slaughter (highly unrealistic but whatever satisfies your disturbing fancy...) then you should definitely watch Inglorious Basterds. Specifically the scenes in the theatre where German high command are watching that movie about the lone sniper. You'll get a kick out of that :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You know that sniper scene in the theatre in Inglourious basterds was meant to draw a parallel between those bad guy Nazi officials and the actual people watching the movie beyond the fourth wall.
People enjoyed watching and laughing at the Basterds wreak havoc throughout the course of the movie because they were the American "heroes". The theatre scene is an ironic commentary on how much people enjoy brutality in movies, especially when it's their own heroes comitting it.
Anyway, I stopped taking the combat scenes seriously in Band of Brothers after that scene depicting the guy dodging fire from two MG-42s to grab a luger from a dead German. A dead German who'd subsequently been gunned down by tommy-gun hipfire.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;24794739]They sure had the skill, strength, and tactics, if they had a better leader, they probably could have won WW2.[/QUOTE]
If they had a better leader they wouldn't have started WW2 in the first place.
If they had a better leader they definitely would've taken Britain, or at least forced a surrender.
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