[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24788497]Per se, but not really because of good fighting ability.
Generals, mainly Patton, os the US knew that their troops were poor (Patton ordered his SMGers to hip-fire-human wave rush, as they were so bad with the guns that they couldn't aim properly), but instead of focusing on improving them, he used higher numbers and limitless material to his advantage. He'd rush the Germans so fast that they couldn't fight back, sort of like counter-blitzkrieg.
The American did lose quite a bit of men and battles, however. About 300,000-400,000 dead over the course of the war, more casualties than the Commonwealth and France.
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I don't think I've ever seen a post on this forum that is more blatantly incorrect.
You want a movie that portrays the footsoldiers of the Third Reich--a government that systematically murdered millions of people and tried to take over the entire world--in a good light, while portraying Americans as evil? And you want this movie to come out of Hollywood? Hah
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Also I have yet to see a WWII movie that shows Germans as bumbling moronic evil cannon fodder
[img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518T0579JKL.jpg[/img]
Found this, tells about two germans rivalry against each other while fighting against russians though.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;24794739]They sure had the skill, strength, and tactics, if they had a better leader, they probably could have won WW2.[/QUOTE]
Hitler was good at propaganda and getting people ready to fight but he was a horrible military man. While Roosevelt let his generals do their job most effectively, Hitler personally supervised everything and fucked it all up. The Battle of the Bulge was Hitler trying to make a counter offensive remembering the good old days of Blitzkrieg but forgetting you need good supplies and you also need to take the enemy by surprise.
Ironicaly it wasn't dissent from his generals that made him retarded, it was his massive paranoia. Just goes to show that a breakdown in the chain of command comes from above rather than below. :v:
[QUOTE=Careld;24795311][IMG]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518T0579JKL.jpg[/IMG]
Found this, tells about two germans rivalry against each other while fighting against russians though.[/QUOTE]
This is a very good movie, I've got it.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24795734]Hitler was good at propaganda and getting people ready to fight but he was a horrible military man. While Roosevelt let his generals do their job most effectively, Hitler personally supervised everything and fucked it all up. The Battle of the Bulge was Hitler trying to make a counter offensive remembering the good old days of Blitzkrieg but forgetting you need good supplies and you also need to take the enemy by surprise.
Ironicaly it wasn't dissent from his generals that made him retarded, it was his massive paranoia. Just goes to show that a breakdown in the chain of command comes from above rather than below. :v:[/QUOTE]
That paranoia saved him quite a bit though. He would've been killed if he didn't move around so damn much and wasn't so random.
I want to see a movie where the United States gets bombed by the European Union and everyone is happy forever.
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jk i don't care
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But it is true that most movies are all about the brave American soldiers fighting for JUSTICE AND THEIR COUNTRY and it is getting old.
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[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;24793296]I would like to know a WWII movie that depicts Americans as these so called "shining knights" as many of you make them out to be. You people are over-exaggerating that much. No surprise, Gmod_Fan started the thread...[/QUOTE]
It might be an exaggeration but you can't disagree that Americans are rarely, if ever portrayed as bad guys, at least in Hollywood movies every soldier is just there to help people and shit while the evil Germans or whoever their opponent is is there to DESTROY THEM and THREATEN THE PEACE OF THE WORLD.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;24783494]Inglorius Basterds depicted a group of Americans as just as evil and sadistic as the [del]Nazis[/del] Germans who could be soldiers they so gleefully torture to death. Have you seen how many civilians were in the theater at the climax?[/QUOTE]
if my memory serves me correctly the theater was filled with German soldiers, even [sp]Hitler was there[/sp]
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[QUOTE=The Vman;24794838]If they had a better leader they wouldn't have started WW2 in the first place.[/QUOTE]
interesting thing about WWII - the germans [I]didn't[/I] start it, they just lead it.
and hitler was an excellent leader, political genius and military mastermind. he just also happened to be, well, hitler, and try to blame all of his shortcomings on everyone that was even the slightest bit of minority.
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[QUOTE=Tabarnaco;24796251]It might be an exaggeration but you can't disagree that Americans are rarely, if ever portrayed as bad guys, at least in Hollywood movies every soldier is just there to help people and shit while the evil Germans or whoever their opponent is is there to DESTROY THEM and THREATEN THE PEACE OF THE WORLD.[/QUOTE]
no World War II movie that takes itself seriously is like that. it is always strictly Us Vs. Them.
I just watched Stalingrad great movie although [sp]The ending made me want to shed manly tears. No one survived, they all died horrible deaths. [/sp]
try watching a non-American film :rolleyes:
I thought that movie about the russian sniper, enemy at the gates, showed badass Germans,
But the Gemrans were still the antagonists
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and hitler was an excellent leader,[/QUOTE]
okay fair enough
[QUOTE=M_B;24796302]political genius[/QUOTE]
nyeh...
[QUOTE=M_B;24796302]and military mastermind.[/QUOTE]
no
[QUOTE=M_B;24796302]he just also happened to be, well, hitler, and try to blame all of his shortcomings on everyone that was even the slightest bit of minority.
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Most dictators do that and Hitler wasn't particularly graceful about it
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;24798378]I thought that movie about the russian sniper, enemy at the gates, showed badass Germans,
But the Gemrans were still the antagonists[/QUOTE]
Yeah Major Koening was very badass but the movie was still pretty filled with American propaganda. Read[url=http://www.battlefield.ru/en/hall-of-shame/206-enemy-at-the-gates.html] this[/url] article written by a Russian guy about it, he's pretty pissed that they fucked up a lot. Main film I was talking about with American cold war propaganda influencing a movie.
[QUOTE=Pascall;24794469]The animated movie "Grave of the Fireflies" shows the hardships of two Japanese children trying to survive after Americans bombed the town they lived in and killed their mother. So I guess it kind of shows Americans as the bad guys.
Fucking sad movie but a really amazing one. Check it out.
Do NOT watch the live action version though. It's terrible.[/QUOTE]
And get the original japanese version(With subs) The american dub(BY. DISNEY.) Is atrociously bad. "I don't look kindly on... ASSAULT."
If Tom Hanks and Spielberg will continue with their epic ww2 mini series they must make one depicting the Germans side.
[QUOTE=Comrade General;24798425]And get the original japanese version(With subs) The american dub(BY. DISNEY.) Is atrociously bad. "I don't look kindly on... ASSAULT."[/QUOTE]
I watched the dub first in a film class I took in high school. It wasn't too bad. But if you watch the sub first and THEN watch the dub then yes, it's terrible.
[QUOTE=Pascall;24799671]I watched the dub first in a film class I took in high school. It wasn't too bad. But if you watch the sub first and THEN watch the dub then yes, it's terrible.[/QUOTE]
I first tried to watch it dubbed but it was way too bad.
I can't stand anime dubs except for Professor Layton though, they always have obnoxious voices that don't seem to fit in wherever they are.
Except for Layton.
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[QUOTE=Kalibos;24798355]try watching a non-American film :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Yeah this pretty much.
[QUOTE=johan svensk;24799622]If Tom Hanks and Spielberg will continue with their epic ww2 mini series they must make one depicting the Germans side.[/QUOTE]
The reason why this probably won't happen is because most Americans wouldn't want to watch something based on the "bad guys", thus less viewers. It would also be hard to decide whether or not to have them talk American with a German accent, or German language with subtitles, something most Americans wouldn't like either.
das boot, cross of iron.
THAT'S ALL.
[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;24780584]AMERICA IS THE ENEMY
Down with the Great Satan of the West![/QUOTE]
Your avatar soooo fits.
[QUOTE=skam;24776997]It was made in 1993 ...[/QUOTE]
Wasn't it made in 1980? Let me look it up.
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Nope, it's 1993; my bad.
Gah, there was one German movie about some realy young soldiers despritly trying to hold a bridge..Fuck, can't remember the darn name..
People who suggested Grave of the Fireflies missed the point of the thread I think. It doesn't portray sides it just shows how war tore apart the lives of civilians. There aren't any soldiers depicted.
And it also brings up the point that the country who made it will usually only bring up the plight of their country. And hardly anyone wants to depict their soldiers as the bad guys.
Letters from Iwo Jima
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it shows both the japanese and americans being assholes
[QUOTE=Kalibos;24798380]nyeh...[/QUOTE]
nyeh? are you retarded? having an entire nation and 3 or 4 other nations following your every word attentively like mindless zombies? how is that not being a political genius? he also manipulated most of the people (that weren't a "menace" to german society) into thinking they were happy. contrary to most nationalist leaders, the people of germany weren't really terrified under hitler's reign at all unless they were jewish/black/gypsy/gay/crippled/etc.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;24798380]no[/QUOTE]really? explain why until right about when the US joined it looked like the Axis was going to win?
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Most dictators do that and Hitler wasn't particularly graceful about it
[/QUOTE]never said he was :smile:
look i'm not defending hitler at all i'm just saying he was a great leader with the wrong direction
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[QUOTE=Red Toaster;24806582]Letters from Iwo Jima
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it shows both the japanese and americans being assholes[/QUOTE]
also Tora! Tora! Tora!
[QUOTE=M_B;24807010]everything I just said[/QUOTE]
Hitler had good generals and loyal, ruthless party members (which he didn't listen to nearly as often as he should have). [url=http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/C3667.aspx]The man himself was actually quite a fuckup[/url]. Just about the only thing he had going for him was that he was a good orator and could invoke passion and patriotism in his people, which is why I gave your claim to his leadership a "fair enough".
And, America's entry into WW2 (the European theatre, that is) didn't accomplish as much as you'd like to think. The Soviets did most of the work, and they still would have won the war if the Americans had stayed out (again, this is not taking into account the war in the Pacific, in which the US had a much more important role) - it just would have taken longer.
[url=http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-facts-that-are-bullshit.html]Read at your leisure, particularly #5, #3, & #2.[/url]
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;24795141]I don't think I've ever seen a post on this forum that is more blatantly incorrect.[/QUOTE]
Very informative post. Your eloquent statements of facts enthrall me. :downs:
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[QUOTE=Kalibos;24807996]The Soviets did most of the work[/quote]
Mind you all, before you start saying how important it was that America entered the war, 90% of all European Axis forces were fighting in the Eastern Front against Russia. Every single Waffen-SS division was also sent there.
The Soviets had more to do with the War than any other Allied nation, though that's not to say that the other Allies didn't pay important roles. We stopped the Germans and Italians from taking vital oil fields in Africa and the Middle East, then invaded and knocked-out Italy. Our navy also kept the Germans under total blockade, and our RAF decimated most Luftwaffe power.
The Americans fought heavily in the Pacific, pinning down millions of Japanese, while the Soviets pinned down millions of elite troops in Manchuria. American supply aid was vital to the overall standing of the Allies likewise, and without America's numerical advantages, D-Day and the liberation of France probably wouldn't have been possible.
In this speech by Adolf Hitler, he states how WW2 was caused by Roosevelt antagonizing Germany and Japan in various ways, trying to start a war. (He was a warmonger, Hitler said.)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqTx6DKbzrA[/media]
He lists dates, times, and it all sounds very official and true, but it's still Hitler....kind of hard to believe a guy who focused so much on his propaganda. I enjoy Hitler's speeches simply because of his charisma and inspiring demeanor, but I don't condone his racism. I also don't condone how he sent children to war, after brainwashing them in the Hitler Youth....but he had a master plan, to bring the "master race" of the Aryan people to power, and he almost did it. If he had listened to his military advisors, we might all be speaking German and heiling our fuhrer instead of saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
while movies that are like OP's description are inaccurate to say the least, WW2 is still probably the only true clear-cut good vs. evil war
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