Hitler broke the treaty of Versailles on many occasions years before WW2 started.
Once again, that's what I just fucking said. Get some reading comprehension.
The treaty of Versailles was in-justifiably harsh on the Germans, especially since no single empire was responsible for WW1. If you were living in some country that was literally being mugged by the surrounding nations, you'd elect the strongest looking leader, which at the time was Hitler.
Shut the fuck up. You never said that he broke it, or did anything about it. You said, "the treaty was harsh on the Germans" that statement doesn't even fucking hint that Germany broke any parts of the treaty.
Get that stick out your ass.
"The treaty was harsh on the Germans" [B]is[/B] reason for them to break it. The fact that they broke it due to it's unjust nature is implied. They didn't sign it because it was fair, they signed it because they had no choice. The treaty had to be broken at some point.
You're just a hypocrite with a very black and white sense of good and evil. If the Germans had won WW1, would you be happy living in desperate poverty because the victors of a war 20 years ago were still robbing you blind?
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24813123]Hitler broke the treaty of Versailles on many occasions years before WW2 started.[/QUOTE]
The Treaty was complete nonsense. The superpowers of the world signed it and imposed massively harsh punishments on Germany, who wasn't even at fault for the war.
Now here, I will give slight credit to the US. It tried to say that Germany's punishments should be lessened (though they in no way said Germany shouldn't be severely punished like the rest of the Central Powers believed), but since the treaty was backed by two global superpowers, Britain and France, nothing could be done.
Hitler's biggest reason for ever starting his revolution was to get back at the West.
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Germany was forced to, quite literally at gunpoint, sign it. It wasn't at all agreed upon.
The "debate" over it involved several Central Powers representitives outlining the punishments, then immediately handing a pen to Germany and saying "Here, sign it or die."
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24813348]"The treaty was harsh on the Germans" [B]is[/B] reason for them to break it. The fact that they broke it due to it's unjust nature is implied. They didn't sign it because it was fair, they signed it because they had no choice. The treaty had to be broken at some point.
You're just a hypocrite with a very black and white sense of good and evil.[/QUOTE]
Where did you get that from, retard. I was saying that instead of me lacking reading comprehension, you lack writing skills.
I know it is reason for them to break it, but guess what, you never said that they did. So I filled in the blanks.
Oh, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, then. I thought the sentence [I]"If the treaty of Versailles hadn't been so ridiculously harsh, WW2 probably wouldn't have happened."[/I] sort of implied the fact that Germany had just cause to break the treaty, and DID break the treaty. Was I incorrect? Does anybody else here find that sentence confusing?
I didn't find it confusing. I'm not a retard. It didn't have details.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24813095]That's exactly what I mean. If a Japanese soldier were to surrender, and American shoots him, that would essentially be the killing of prisoners. I don't think it matters, though, as the Japanese never signed the Geneva convention nor did they take part in any of it's humane practices.
Regardless, shooting of surrendering or unarmed soldiers is fairly despicable, if you have just cause to do it, it's not as condemnable, but it's still a black blotch on the US war effort.[/QUOTE]
On the Western front, both sides were treated fine in POW camps. On the Eastern front, both sides treated the other like shit with Russian POWs doing it a lot harder than their American counterparts and Germans being treated far worse in Russian hands.
In the Pacific, when the Allies did manage to get prisoners whether they be too badly injured, knocked unconscious or just conscripts who didn't want to fight (very rare), they were treated fine in POW camps and had a good rate of survival. They may have tried to excape several times on suicidal attempts but they were still treated well. The Japanese treated Allied troops horribly with a barely 50% survival rate. If anyone can be faulted for being evil with prisoners and not just reciprocating their enemies actions it's the Japanese.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24813449]Words[/QUOTE]
Stalking proved to me that you are from Vancouver. We should host a shindig
You're going to want Saving Private Ryan, and the Band of Brothers DVD Set
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;24808772]Americans fought in Africa and Italy aswell. Both campaigns were not "minor" involvements for the Americans either. There was some significant combat in both campaigns. Off the top of my head Kasserine Pass (North Africa) and Monte Cassino (Italy) come to mind, for example.
So I'm going to assume that the [i]we[/i] represents the Allies and not just the British.
"total blockade" is a bit of a stretch in my opinion because of the rather successful U-boat campaigns and their "Wolf Packs". All things considered though the Royal Navy had a significant monopoly over the Atlantic, that's for sure. Some Americans, eager to get involved in the war (adrenalin junkies if you ask me), served in the RAF aswell.
Americans had a significant role in WWII, why is this a concept so hard to accept? Especially for you Gmod_Fan?[/QUOTE]
Isn't Gmod_Fan the guy that moved to Britain from America? And he's saying all this shit?
Irony at its best
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24777607]Thats because it didn't happen.
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[QUOTE=massn7;24822112]Isn't Gmod_Fan the guy that moved to Britain from America? And he's saying all this shit?
Irony at its best[/QUOTE]
He hates America with a passion, so in his mind America didn't do anything in WW2 except be the evil imperialists that they are.
Also "total blockade" is a retarded statement. Nobody in the world even wanted to trade with Germany, except the other two axis powers and spain. Spain and Italy could do overland trade with Germany and Japan couldn't even reach Germany over sea, or over land.
Also, the German navy was operational for a very long time. At the beginning of the war, the Kriegsmarine was top dog in the Atlantic. Until the turning point when Italy started losing all its ships in the Mediterranean.
[QUOTE=massn7;24822112]Isn't Gmod_Fan the guy that moved to Britain from America? And he's saying all this shit?
Irony at its best[/QUOTE]
Yeah.
Heard he was from Kentucky or something originally.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;24826347]Yeah.
Heard he was from Kentucky or something originally.[/QUOTE]
Was. Now, I'm happy in good ol' England.
I can't begin to imagine the seething hatred you have for America, GMod_77, I know Kentucky isn't the best of states but [I]damn.[/I]
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24826669]Was. Now, I'm happy in good ol' England.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to break it to you then, but you're not English. Why the rabid nationalism when you're not even a native? You're trying too hard.
On topic, I guess... it's been said already but I really enjoyed Letters from Iwo Jima.
[QUOTE=massn7;24834841]Sorry to break it to you then, but you're not English. Why the rabid nationalism when you're not even a native? You're trying too hard.
On topic, I guess... it's been said already but I really enjoyed Letters from Iwo Jima.[/QUOTE]
I know I'm not English natively, but I'm an English citizen and don't in any way, shape, form, or fashion associate myself with America.
Only thing I've seen thats unbiased was a book I read called "Soldier Boys"
It pretty much goes from a German teenager's story to an American teenagers story and alternates back and forth until they meet in battle.
I guess the reason why most WWII movies are pro-American or pro-British is because Nazi Germany isn't something you really want to glorify. There are some movies that did a good job at it though, Stalingrad and Das Boot and probably some others too.
I hate it when people say all the germans were nazi's in ww2, most of them were just regular soldiers who needed a job and alot were forced to fight.
Anyways.. Cross of iron, stalingrad and das boot were pretty good movies. I would like to see a movie about the german perspective of kursk or moscow.
That is because America is the best country there ever was and will be :hurr:
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[QUOTE=acds;24785930]Is half of FP having visions and seeing shit that isn't in the OP? Because I didn't see him say that the Americans were bad and the Germans good, he just asked for a movie that doesn't depict Americans as something they were not (knights in shining armour liberating the poor people from the evil Germans and the Germans being mindless cannon-fodder).[/QUOTE]
But we were the shining white knights who saved Europe from total assfucking. The Germans were basically like us, save the SS and people who actually liked Hitler and listened to his shit. Same for the Japanese and Italians.
Also, in that Band of Brothers episode with the German POW from the States, it was that his parents were Nazi fanatics and forced him to move with them back to Germany, which was the only reason he fought for the Axis.
P.S. - OP is fag for being Anti-American.
[QUOTE=Storebror;24782884]And the end as well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcMk85ZsBh0[/media][/QUOTE]
That part of BoB imo was one of the most touchiing moments I've ever witnessed in film/tv
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