• The Post-Rock Appreciation thread
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I love Joy Division.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;16706315]Well it's like rock, except post.[/QUOTE] Lul.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;16708045]to "be" a form of rock evolved past what it is currently, or not to sound like pop rock/music in other words. That's what I think at least. Post usually just means "more depressing than (X)" though.[/QUOTE]I don't understand where you're hearing the pop influence in those two songs I posted. Is it because it's more melodic than traditional post-rock?
It's because "screamo" is pop [editline]10:04PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SilverHammer;16708081]Kind of makes sense Joy Division, very depressing Thursday, very depressing Explosions In the Sky is like, music to kill yourself too[/QUOTE] Then Godspeed You! is music to burn yourself alive to I actually do remember Godspeed's first album described as "the soundtrack to the apocalypse." the dead flag blues is so awesome
I also love Joy Division
I had a thread about Joy Division but people would rather post in the Hollywood Undead thread and I got lonely.
bump dat shit
No. It's stupid to bump your own thread. Besides this is a post-rock thread. Post about post-rock. I love Talk Talk. Laughing Stock is my new favourite album.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;16708970]It's because "screamo" is pop[/QUOTE]When I say screamo, I mean this kinda stuff: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GHPwnUGj0Q[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO-ypLAQeIs[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbrteoipi_M[/media] Doesn't sound very pop to me but whatever.
[quote="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music"]It has a focus on commercial recording, often orientated towards a youth market, usually through the medium of relatively short and simple love songs. The term "pop song" is first recorded as being used in 1926 in the sense of a piece of music "having popular appeal." Starting in the 1950s the term "pop music" has been used to describe a distinct genre, aimed at a youth market, often characterized as a softer alternative to rock and roll. According to Simon Frith pop music is produced "as a matter of enterprise not art...is designed to appeal to everyone" and "doesn't come from any particular place or mark off any particular taste." It is "not driven by any significant ambition except profit and commercial reward...and, in musical terms, it is essentially conservative." It is "provided from on high (by record companies, radio programmers and concert promoters) rather than being made from below...Pop is not a do-it-yourself music but is professionally produced and packaged."[/quote] tl;dr: Pop, in a broad sense, is soft rock made to appeal to the masses, i.e., it's easy to like. Screamo/skramz doesn't sound very poppish to me. :emo:
the mentality of the "screamo" genre is very pop. If you look at the top metal or "hardcore" recording artists currently it's pretty clear that bands that use "scream" vocals are at the top. the way those vocal styles are currently used is very poppy as well. Pay more attention to the last paragraph of the quote you posted. I mean sure there are a lot of "indie" "screamo" bands but that's only because they are not AS designed for mass appeal. Things like people saying "his screaming isn't very good" and things like videos popping up of people "showing off" how good they are at "screamo vocals" and how to do them are examples of screamo vocals being accepted as "pop," at least in my eyes. But beyond that, Pop never meant "it sounds like the beatles" it meant it was designed to make everyone like it. I mean if you look at screamo it's style is taken directly from Emo, which takes a HUGE page out of pop rock. You can really hear it in the last band that ian posted. And with that, you say "I mean this type of screamo" but the only thing being used from that genre of screamo (early shit, right?) is the vocals. The music and lyrics that are played with those vocals are what differentiate it from other screamo, but those aren't what are in those "post-rock mixed with screamo" songs, it's only the vocals. Since those vocals are used with bands like "the devil wears parda" and all of those shitty bands just as well, it may as well be taken from them instead of the "good screamo" bands. Am I making any sense?
Are you referring to emo as in MCR or actual emo like Rites Of Spring?
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;16711179]Am I making any sense?[/QUOTE]I guess so. But the mentality of the screamo/post-rock bands isn't to just play post-rock with screamed vocals. It's more like using the long build-ups and instrumental passages of post-rock in a screamo setting to add even more emotion and intensity to the music.
Post-Rock usually sucks because it takes itself ridiculously serious. Battles is good though, and I'd consider King Crimson the first (and non-shitty) post-rock group.
I've never understood, what do people mean by taking themselves too seriously.
[QUOTE=thisispain;16712303]Post-Rock usually sucks because it takes itself ridiculously serious. Battles is good though, and I'd consider King Crimson the first (and non-shitty) post-rock group.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of Progressive Rock.
[QUOTE=thisispain;16712303]Post-Rock usually sucks because it takes itself ridiculously serious. Battles is good though, and I'd consider King Crimson the first (and non-shitty) post-rock group.[/QUOTE] wrong genre brah
[QUOTE=Ian D;16711271]I guess so. But the mentality of the screamo/post-rock bands isn't to just play post-rock with screamed vocals. It's more like using the long build-ups and instrumental passages of post-rock in a screamo setting to add even more emotion and intensity to the music.[/QUOTE] Well the type of emotion that screamo really adds seems to be the opposite of what post-rock is trying to bring out, or that's how it works for me. I mean I can't imagine people "screaming" at the climax of Moya by GY!BE making the song any more epic. Also note that most post-rock bands only play instrumentals, so even singing seems out of place for me in the genre. They just don't seem like two genres that should mix to me, but that's just me. [editline]01:04PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Doriol;16711215]Are you referring to emo as in MCR or actual emo like Rites Of Spring?[/QUOTE] they both draw heavily from pop music, though it's far more apparent in modern "mainstream emo" bands
Maybe I'm missing something, but how does a genre that derives from hardcore punk have any connection to pop?
It's what differentiates them from NYHC bands that makes them pop, not the other way around.
GY!BE's album f#a#(infinity) is their best.
depends on what you want from them. all of their albums are extremely good for different reasons. I'd say if you looked at all the albums in their ability to draw emotion, or whatever you want to call it, f#a# would be on top. If you looked at musical complexity and production value, Yanqui UXO would be the best. If you looked at the ability to build to an amazing crescendo, New Riot would be the best. If you look at Lift Yr skinny fists, I'd say it's the most well rounded album, taking a lot of the album before it and showing what was to come. I'd say f#a# is my favorite personally. It was the first one I bought and it's really just in a word, amazing. I have a recording of one of the few times that The Dead Flag Blues was played live and it's incredible.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;16716578]wrong genre brah[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Banned?;16713983]You're thinking of Progressive Rock.[/QUOTE] No not really, Progressive Rock is things like Yes, Jethro Tull and Rush. King Crimson is very very very different from both of them. Robert Fripp experiments with over-tones and sound much like Post-Rock does.
It's prog with a LOT more influences and with a lot of experimentation, but still prog at it's core
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;16729448]It's prog with a LOT more influences and with a lot of experimentation, but still prog at it's core[/QUOTE] A lot of King Crimson songs sound a bit like some of the songs in the OP. Thela Hun Ginjeet, Larks Tongue in Aspic, Elektric, THRAK. None of these sound like anything in Prog, yet they do bear a lot to Post-Rock.
Progressive is called progressive for a reason. Not all of it sounds like Rush and Yes.
[QUOTE=thisispain;16729428]No not really, Progressive Rock is things like Yes, Jethro Tull and Rush. King Crimson is very very very different from both of them. Robert Fripp experiments with over-tones and sound much like Post-Rock does.[/QUOTE] Yeah but it has a lot more instrument wankery and unusual time structures that aren't really big in post-rock.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;16729511]Yeah but it has a lot more instrument wankery and unusual time structures that aren't really big in post-rock.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, they are. Don Caballero and Tortoise are very much rooted in that. In fact, Post-Rock is really rooted from Progressive Rock and Kraut Rock itself. Just Post-Rock usually has some more Free Jazz and Shoegazer influence than Classical Music which influenced aforementioned genres.
Not all of it though. A lot of Post Rock songs are extremely simple.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;16729567]Not all of it though. A lot of Post Rock songs are extremely simple.[/QUOTE] A lot of King Crimson songs are simple as well. Discipline features standard 4/4 instrumentation and 3-5-7 structures.
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