[QUOTE=xxsetshotxx;23409926]bush did better with katrina then obama did with the oil spill, see news section.[/QUOTE]
No he didn't. Bush sucked.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23410892]I'm sorry it seems pretty fucking logical to me.
If religion is important to you, you engage in it and go to your religious communal, aka "Church". If it's unimportant, well, you'd be less likely to make the decision to get off your ass on sunday morning to get to the damn building.
I'm not, I'm using America as an example because we've got a higher religious importance than pretty much every other 1st world nation
we're labeled the "nation of believers" for fucks sake. A bit of a misnomer - just because you believe in something hardly means it's the forefront of your life.
This is something that Facepunchers honestly generalize way too much. It's like none of you have experienced a normal christian in your fucking lives. The average person doesn't run their fucking lives based around religion, that's dumb. There are devout people who do, sure, but I guarantee if you ask any run of the mill Christian to identify themselves in one word they'd probably state their nationality, political affiliation or ethnicity first because it's more important in our lives (ie, they'd say "I'm an American" or "I'm a black man" or "I'm a democrat" before saying "I'm a Christian")[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I will usually go weeks before I even hear religion mentioned in conversations. People just don't care as much as it's portrayed.
Oh boy, time to sit back and enjoy the argument. Anyone want some popcorn?:munch:
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;23410943]Agreed. I will usually go weeks before I even hear religion mentioned in conversations. People just don't care as much as it's portrayed.[/QUOTE]
Religion should be held as a personal belief and not affect people of different types of faith in any way.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23410544]hahahahaha no
Atheists [I]believe [/I]they're smarter and more logical than Christians, but that's because the majority of us are angsty 15 year olds that already think we know everything about the world. The Atheist trend is one of Generation X and the Net Generation - people that have hardly even gotten out of fucking college or haven't even been in it. With age comes experience, those with experience are often far more intelligent.
In fact, most Christians are extremely logical outside of their Christian beliefs. They believe in a God. So what? Most blueblooded small-time businessmen are pretty devoutly Christian and holy shit I'm willing to bet they're smarter than you. I, as an Atheist, have worked with Christians in businesses. 90% of them are fucking business masterminds. Superb at accounting, working a market, and social networking with other businessmen to combine efforts.
Your religious belief has nothing to do with your intelligence. If you think it does, you're ridiculously pretentious and need to grow up significantly.[/QUOTE]
He was talking about averages and in that sense he was correct, although Christians can be far smarter on average they aren’t, it's a proven fact
[QUOTE=Mental;23410972]He was talking about averages and in that sense he was correct, although Christians can be far smarter on average they aren’t, it's a proven fact[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is what I was talking about.
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23410962]Religion should be held as a personal belief and not affect people of different types of faith in any way.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but unfortunately the basis of religion is most of the time conversion, that's why there's missions everywhere, the crusade, but the worst part is that it will sometimes result in extremism. If religion could stay a way of believing and thinking instead of living and doing, we'd be fine.
(And just for the record, I can't explain it, but this thread goes great with More Gun...)
[QUOTE=DrBreen;23409944]Government can't fix every screw up every corporation makes[/QUOTE]
It was on federal waters, which is maintained and protected by the federal government, and not by a state.
So, in a way, I blame the government for their failure almost as much as I blame BP.
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23410962]Religion should be held as a personal belief and not affect people of different types of faith in any way.[/QUOTE]
Move to the south.
Also why are you ignoring the age question?
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;23410858]A politician lying to the public for popularity? Never have I seen such an act![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rimor Animus;23410877]Oh come off it already, politics is hardly ever a game filled with honesty. Had he said said he was an atheist at the start of the campaign he would have never made it. Most politicians lie, most decieve the public for popularity. The few that are completely honest often have a hard time getting to a strong position.[/QUOTE]
So because it is normal it is okay? It's still lying, stop sugarcoating it.
[QUOTE=HenryJ;23411024]So because it is normal it is okay? It's still lying, stop sugarcoating it.[/QUOTE]-snip- Sorry, thought you meant something else.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23410892]I'm sorry it seems pretty fucking logical to me.
If religion is important to you, you engage in it and go to your religious communal, aka "Church". If it's unimportant, well, you'd be less likely to make the decision to get off your ass on sunday morning to get to the damn building.[/QUOTE]
Most people I know think their religion is important regardless of how devout they are. It's more a case of logic than anything; why would you think about it if it wasn't important?
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23410892]I'm not, I'm using America as an example because we've got a higher religious importance than pretty much every other 1st world nation
we're labeled the "nation of believers" for fucks sake. A bit of a misnomer - just because you believe in something hardly means it's the forefront of your life.
This is something that Facepunchers honestly generalize way too much. It's like none of you have experienced a normal christian in your fucking lives. The average person doesn't run their fucking lives based around religion, that's dumb. There are devout people who do, sure, but I guarantee if you ask any run of the mill Christian to identify themselves in one word they'd probably state their nationality, political affiliation or ethnicity first because it's more important in our lives (ie, they'd say "I'm an American" or "I'm a black man" or "I'm a democrat" before saying "I'm a Christian")[/QUOTE]
Which is (somewhat) dangerous. The less a person cares about things, the more likely they are going to do what they are told.
[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;23410989]yeah, but unfortunately the basis of religion is most of the time conversion, that's why there's missions everywhere, the crusade, but the worst part is that it will sometimes result in extremism. If religion could stay a way of believing and thinking instead of living and doing, we'd be fine.[/QUOTE]
Something should be done to stop them from performing their idiocy on the national level. (Using mass media, educational system or government)
[QUOTE=Mental;23410972]He was talking about averages and in that sense he was correct, although Christians can be far smarter on average they aren’t, it's a proven fact[/QUOTE]
yeah he's also playing it off as if it's a causation instead of a correlation which it most certainly is not
the more liberal areas of America invest more into education than conservative culture - We've got better schools up north, and lower levels of religious importance.
The reason that gets skewed to fuck is that the south has gigantic urban centers (historically shit for education) and huge areas of bumfucking nothingness, where they don't have the funding for good education. If that graph he posted was international, I'd be willing to be it has more to do with poorer geographical sociology than with Religion.
Poorer nations have higher levels of religion. Poorer nations have shittier schools. It's not that difficult to figure out.
You raise a christian in a well off area, they'll turn out just as smart as everyone else.
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23411054]Something should be done to stop them from performing their idiocy on the national level. (Using mass media, educational system or government)[/QUOTE]
sorry freedom of speech
as much as you'd love for that to disappear
[QUOTE=HenryJ;23411024]So because it is normal it is okay? It's still lying, stop sugarcoating it.[/QUOTE]
Would you rather Obama lost to Mcain and Palin just because he was an atheist?
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23411054]Something should be done to stop them from performing their idiocy on the national level. (Using mass media, educational system or government)[/QUOTE]We all ready do. There hasn't been a crusade in a thousand or so years, and as a country, the middle east countries with extremists inside deny it, and try to hunt them down. It all comes down to them taking matters into their own hands.
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23410515]No I'm not, but I'm saying that an average atheist is smarter than an average Christian. Obama being smart contributes to the fact that he's most likely an atheist.[/QUOTE]
"His results, published in the scientific journal Intelligence demonstrated that on average, Atheists scored 1.95 IQ points higher than Agnostics, 3.82 points higher than Liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than Dogmatic persuasions."
Six IQ points is jack shit.
And it's only four IQ points higher than the average religious person, six is for the crazy kind.
And you're about to reply "All religious people are crazy xD"
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23411054]Something should be done to stop them from performing their idiocy on the national level. (Using mass media, educational system or government)[/QUOTE]
Long live Tim Minchin and his perfectly logical veiw of religion :)
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUc_kATGgg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUc_kATGgg[/URL]
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23410899]Propaganda doesn't matter much when it comes to American democracy (a meaningless choice).[/QUOTE]
actually it means everything because our president is always elected by the middle 30% of Americans who lie within the "moderate" category of political belief.
35% on both sides of the spectrum represent people who won't change their beliefs at all, and the people who are in the middle are generally less politically savvy because they haven't formed an ideological reasoning for their political affiliation.
aka
propaganda means [I]everything [/I]in the American electorate
Who cares? He's just another puppet.
[QUOTE=franz;23411192]Who cares? He's just another puppet.[/QUOTE]
Back up this statement
[QUOTE=franz;23411192]Who cares? He's just another puppet.[/QUOTE]
wow talk about throwing fuel on the fire wait for the responses to that
[QUOTE=that1dude24;23411044]Most people I know think their religion is important regardless of how devout they are. It's more a case of logic than anything; why would you think about it if it wasn't important?[/quote]
Average Christians don't think it's important, that's the point. It's natural to align yourselves into groups, so of course they'll think it's important. Perhaps more important than what brand of shampoo they use, but certainly not more important than their Heritage and Nationality.
[quote]Which is (somewhat) dangerous. The less a person cares about things, the more likely they are going to do what they are told.[/QUOTE]
that makes no sense whatsoever religious extremists are the ones that go off and murder people I haven't seen a normal christian go gay bashing
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;23411212]Back up this statement[/QUOTE]
Why does he need to back it up? It's his personal opinion.
There are many statements which are too subjective, and only personal opinion usually defined by intuition can be used on them.
[QUOTE=franz;23411192]Who cares? He's just another puppet.[/QUOTE]
wait is this in reference to me
oh, obama
Nah, I wouldn't say Obama is a puppet. He's an opportunist.
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[QUOTE=Mental;23411099]Long live Tim Minchin and his perfectly logical veiw of religion :)
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUc_kATGgg[/URL][/QUOTE]
that dude looks like simon pegg with eye makeup
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23411237]Why does he need to back it up? It's his personal opinion.[/QUOTE]
That's not exactly an opinion. That's a statement as if it is a fact.
You are seriously thick. And what is your age you should stop hiding that you're a little kid.
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[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23411240]that dude looks like simon pegg with eye makeup[/QUOTE]
hes a great piano player
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;23411268]That's not exactly an opinion. That's a statement as if it is a fact.
You are seriously thick. And what is your age you should stop hiding that you're a little kid.
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hes a great piano player[/QUOTE]
I'm 17 years old. Also, please back up your statement saying that I'm 'thick'.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23411223]Average Christians don't think it's important, that's the point. It's natural to align yourselves into groups, so of course they'll think it's important. Perhaps more important than what brand of shampoo they use, but certainly not more important than their Heritage and Nationality.[/QUOTE]
Usually, I see that statement reversed. That may be isolated to my area, however.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23411223]that makes no sense whatsoever religious extremists are the ones that go off and murder people I haven't seen a normal christian go gay bashing[/QUOTE]
Politically, it matters. I'm not saying that the people who don't care will kill someone in the name of their religion.
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