Some guy sends me random cash on Paypal, It sits there for hours and I finally decided to spend it, - General

[QUOTE=sgman91;42643352]I honestly don't get this. I know it was stupid for him to spend the money, but hey, it WAS his money as it was in his account. Sure it was an honestly mistake, but a mistake none-the-less. If I walk up to a guy and hand him $100 I can't go up to him later and expect him to still have it.[/QUOTE] It wasn't an honest mistake though, he knew it wasn't his to spend. Plus he waited an hour before deciding to spend it.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;42643578]It wasn't an honest mistake though, he knew it wasn't his to spend. Plus he waited an hour before deciding to spend it.[/QUOTE] If someone freely gives you money then it's your money. I don't believe he should be held responsible to ensure that other's don't make mistakes. Like I said: I can't walk up to a guy on the street, hand him $100 with no strings attached, and come back later saying it was a mistake and demand it back. As long as there were no tricks involved, if he's already spent it then too bad for me.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42643673]If someone freely gives you money then it's your money. I don't believe he should be held responsible to ensure that other's don't make mistakes. Like I said: I can't walk up to a guy on the street, hand him $100 with no strings attached, and come back later saying it was a mistake and demand it back. As long as there were no tricks involved, if he's already spent it then too bad for me.[/QUOTE] From what i've gathered, the transaction was filed under payment. Which means your metaphor is flawed. It'd be more akin to you walking up to a guy and handing him $100, and saying "I am paying for something of yours" and then going back saying it was a mistake, you meant to go to someone else.

pretty sure you're meant to wait like 28 days

[QUOTE=kwk;42638171] Like I said, as far as I know, it's very legal to spend/keep cash that was willingly sent to you. Though, I can see the part where I probably "deserve" it for spending it in the first place, making it morally wrong... [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sgman91;42643352]I honestly don't get this. I know it was stupid for him to spend the money, but hey, it WAS his money as it was in his account. Sure it was an honestly mistake, but a mistake none-the-less. If I walk up to a guy and hand him $100 I can't go up to him later and expect him to still have it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sgman91;42643673]If someone freely gives you money then it's your money. I don't believe he should be held responsible to ensure that other's don't make mistakes. Like I said: I can't walk up to a guy on the street, hand him $100 with no strings attached, and come back later saying it was a mistake and demand it back. As long as there were no tricks involved, if he's already spent it then too bad for me.[/QUOTE] Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong If money turns up in your account as a result of an accidental payment then it [B]isn't legal[/B] in any way to go ahead and assume you can spend it with no repercussions. The other person has every right to raise a dispute and get it back because it was a payment not intended for you and you have not provided anything that they are paying for. This is how it works with bank accounts and also extends through to Paypal's policies, who have the power to make you cough the money up. What you should have done is either tried to contact the email of the seller (That is displayed, isnt it?) and given it a few days at the very least to see what happens. Hell, you could have just sent the money straight back to them. See [url=https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/helpcenter/article/?solutionId=11568&topicID=11500015&m=TCI]here[/url] I don't see why you would be pissy with Paypal or the seller about the dispute when it was your own fault for spending it, and yes Paypal are gonna come after you for the money when the dispute ends.

Everybody send money to my PayPal account. I want to see something...

Guys, you are all missing the main point. That guys sent the money then THE SAME GUY sent a invoice for $80 then disputed the amount he gave at the start. Therefore OP can just dispute the invoice and get that money back.

You were meant to contact sender about this issue instead of spending it. If that didn't work then you would have to contact Paypal about it. Under US law you just basically committed theft of property that was mistakenly lost. There was nothing legal or justified for doing what you did. According to your profile you're also 26. If that's true then I have a hard time understanding why you weren't responsible about it.

[quote]edit: also, it was sent as a "payment", not a gift or any of the such, which means that Paypal will now view him as a fucking "seller" and me as a "buyer", and will lean towards his side.[/quote] yeah because he didn't mean to send it to you so yes if you get your paypal shut down i will shed no tears also one day to file a dispute seriously?? how often do you check pay pal?

[QUOTE=sgman91;42643352]I honestly don't get this. I know it was stupid for him to spend the money, but hey, it WAS his money as it was in his account. Sure it was an honestly mistake, but a mistake none-the-less. If I walk up to a guy and hand him $100 I can't go up to him later and expect him to still have it.[/QUOTE] Imagine if somebody tries to transfer $100 into their son's bank account but makes a mistake when writing / typing the account number and it ends up in your account. You don't just go "OH HEY, FREE MONEY!", you should be like "the fuck is this?"

oh fuck oh fuck you're gonna be poor

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;42641382]Unless you're a woman, in which case, you're free to.[/QUOTE] facepunch can make anything misogynistic if they put their heart to it

Fucking hell OP, are you stupid? You waited for one HOUR?? You give it a week, MINIMUM.

[QUOTE=kwk;42642590]The worst that can happen is Paypal goes after me for my whole life, sending me annoying letters, and my credit goes down. Not something I really want to deal with, but I'll just have to wait and see[/QUOTE] Paypal could actually get law enforcement involved. Your actions would usually fall under a class B misdemeanor. This means you could be fined up to $1000 and/or serve a maximum of 3 months in prison followed by possible community service depending on state.

[QUOTE=kwk;42642590]I still don't understand why people on the forum still do this. I'm fully aware of how dumb I was in the situation, stop trying to get people to side with your petty rants. As ridiculous as this sounds, I'm actually sure this happens in parts of the world (though, not that specific situation). The worst that can happen is Paypal goes after me for my whole life, sending me annoying letters, and my credit goes down. Not something I really want to deal with, but I'll just have to wait and see. Thanks for the help. Though, anything was better than constantly telling me the same advice that was already posted.[/QUOTE] These "annoying letters" would be invoices.

if the OP had a heart, he'd have contacted the person sending the cash and not be greedy. Instead he's dug himself a good hole.

OP you need to come clean and tell the seller exactly what you did. Everything you have told us here.

[QUOTE=The Maestro;42652163]OP you need to come clean and tell the seller exactly what you did. Everything you have told us here.[/QUOTE] Or just give him his money back, it's not even 100$. I don't understand why op just doesn't refund him for the money he stole.

From the sound of things he doesn't have that kind of money.

[QUOTE=The Maestro;42652644]From the sound of things he doesn't have that kind of money.[/QUOTE] Given how quick he spent it, it's not surprising.

I had a similar incident occur about half a year ago. I was suddenly given 360 Euros to my bank-account with the notice "return payment for painter" (translated). Now, just a while before I had moved, and some painting had been done, so I figured it had to do with that (my mother dealt with the finances, so I was a bit out of the loop). Still, because I wasn't entirely sure, I called my mother, and she said she didn't know, so eventually I called the bank. They told me to just leave the money there, and wait. It wasn't my business to call or just randomly send it back, so it was best to wait. I waited for three entire months, and didn't get any notice, so eventually I just spent some of it. About three weeks later I got a letter from a woman stating she transferred the money to the wrong account and (to quote, translated) DEMANDED the money back RIGHT AWAY or else I'd face LEGAL ACTION (yes, capitalized in the letter too). I sent a letter back telling her that, due to the long time passed I spent some of the money, and she'd have to wait a short while before I could pay her back (which was my intention). Eventually I sent her a letter informing her I sent the money back. She didn't even apologize for making the mistake. Anyway, by law, the money was hers. Only after two (or three, can't remember) years, the money would have been legally mine.

[QUOTE=Jookia;42638112]You really shouldn't spend random shady money sent in to your account.[/QUOTE] yeah but he did wait and noone said anything i would have spent it thinking it was gift of sorts

I would never spend cash that appears in my account digitally but if I found a bag of cash on my doorstep I'd probably take it

[QUOTE=General J;42659171]I would never spend cash that appears in my account digitally but if I found a bag of cash on my doorstep I'd probably take it[/QUOTE] There's too much shady business in any free money. Money simply isn't free. That money you just took was counterfeit / stolen / part of a drug bust and you're now in prison. Don't be stupid.

[QUOTE=General J;42659171]I would never spend cash that appears in my account digitally but if I found a bag of cash on my doorstep I'd probably take it[/QUOTE] Well yeah, there's no paper trail to say you took it. (I probably would too, but sit on it a reaaally long time)

Bit harsh, but imo you weren't honest and returned it... so karma turned around and bit you in the arse.

thiiis guy [quote=kwk] still don't understand why people on the forum still do this. I'm fully aware of how dumb I was in the situation, stop trying to get people to side with your petty rants.[/quote] I'm not trying to get people to side with me. If anything, I have no interest in other people who read my post. If anything, i'd like these morally-high know-it-all cunts to rate me more boxes, because being "mean" on a internet forum equals being dumb. My post was directed towards YOU. And, haha oh lord you really "don't understand why people on the forum still do this." What else did you expect people to say here, anyway? The only way YOU are getting YOUR money back (or, better said, get paypal to nullify your account) [B]is sending back the goods you bought with their money. [/B] There. "Advice". You couldn't have thought of that yourself, apparently. Buuuut no.. I don't suppose that's what you wanted to hear anyway. More along the lines of: "Ooh i'm sorry you fucked up buddy, i'm sure we can get a petition started to make paypal let you keep their money" "I can't believe how some companies want to get their money you didn't deserve back!?!?!" "How can someone send you money by mistake and then actually DEMAND IT BACK? WHOA WHOA and I mean you waited like what 26 hours WHOAAAAA". But hey, those would lies and misguided morals about the world we live in. And I'll even be completely frank. I felt bad about the post. It was kinda "mean". But apparently you didn't get it. And still you don't. But here, I'll tell you i'm sorry. I can't help it, really. Stupid people piss me off. [editline]27th October 2013[/editline] Haters gonna hate.

[QUOTE=FlutterRaeg;42659350]There's too much shady business in any free money. Money simply isn't free. That money you just took was counterfeit / stolen / part of a drug bust and you're now in prison. Don't be stupid.[/QUOTE] My mum lived in Aus for a year, and she found a bin bag by the side of the road containing over $23000AUD iirc in notes. She took it to the police station and thought nothing of it, then a few weeks later she got a phone call from them saying she could keep the money.

[QUOTE=rhx123;42667987]My mum lived in Aus for a year, and she found a bin bag by the side of the road containing over $23000AUD iirc in notes. She took it to the police station and thought nothing of it, then a few weeks later she got a phone call from them saying she could keep the money.[/QUOTE] Good on her. If that was to refute my statement, she didn't just use it she took it in first. That's being smart and lucky. But never just spend found money, you'll be in all sorts of trouble and money -typically- isn't free.

If you move to somalia you should be ok [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] and with all those 90 dollars you'll be considered a rich man