Education System in America - General

I would say our education is shit too. But it looks like education is shit everywhere :v: I never liked literature lessons because we had to learn fucking verses, read tons of useless shit, write shitloads of text about what author was thinking during writing *some* story. All those authors would shit bricks after reading this stuff about "what were they thinking", but teachers like it. Many teachers follow 2 simple instructions: 1) do not explain anything 2) give heap of homework But still some of my teachers are great people who don't follow these instructions. Always wanted to know how the stuff is going on on other side of the Earth. ;)

[QUOTE=GVG-Vit;34119135]I would say our education is shit too. But it looks like education is shit everywhere :v: I never liked literature lessons because we had to learn fucking verses, read tons of useless shit, write shitloads of text about what author was thinking during writing *some* story. All those authors would shit bricks after reading this stuff about "what were they thinking", but teachers like it. Many teachers follow 2 simple instructions: 1) do not explain anything 2) give heap of homework But still some of my teachers are great people who don't follow these instructions. Always wanted to know how the stuff is going on on other side of the Earth. ;)[/QUOTE] ^

I feel as if the most prevalent problem of my country's education system lies with the fact that everyone is almost treated as an equal when it comes to how they are taught; obviously you have your AP classes, but for your basic three R's the standards are easily applied to. That, and the fact being is that there isn't a universal standard in textbook deployment; with examples of books that have certain biases to their supportive region (IE books that are distributed in southern states possibly have a more biased perspective of the civil war, don't quote me on this) compared to others. Oh, and most importantly, testing! The tests that the Department of Education administers punish the schools that have poorer test results than that of those who perform well; it's a very flawed system that's suffering from over investment into useless technologies that books have supplemented for hundreds of years.

[QUOTE=TheSoupNazi;34122499]]useless technologies that books have supplemented for hundreds of years.[/QUOTE] Fun fact, I learn better using a computer than pen and paper. It's about time that the world transitions to paperless.

[QUOTE=TheDamnWizards!;34124529]Fun fact, I learn better using a computer than pen and paper. It's about time that the world transitions to paperless.[/QUOTE] but some people learn better with paper.

[QUOTE=TheDamnWizards!;34124529]Fun fact, I learn better using a computer than pen and paper. It's about time that the world transitions to paperless.[/QUOTE] No, if students were instead given something such as a laptop to use (such as what my whole year got back when I was in Year 9) the amount of productivity would drop immensely. Based off of my own experience for a few years straight, I can tell you that work is better done with pen and paper. Most people only use the laptops for playing flash games, and if you can get past the whitelist then to go on Facebook or Youtube. Everyone does it. I did too and I regret it now. Then there's the issues of students not properly taking care of their laptops... [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=iwancoppa;34108728]I go to a private school in australia where none of this cuntwafflery happens.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's because teachers are constantly up your ass to make sure you do well. I went to a private school from Year 3 to 7 and they were the worst years of my school life. There was so much pressure on the students to excel, and I was placed in a fucking support class or something in Year 7 because my performance was "poor", nevermind that at a public school you would have been considered "above mediocre" or some shit for the same performance. With private school the student doesn't necessarily have to find the initiative to put effort in. The school does it for the student. That's how much of a baby you are compared to going to a public school.

well my school is becoming an acadamy. the only changes are more funding and a new name. also the average grade at our school is a-a* and we actually learn stuff. are we doing it right?

[quote] Think of it, no freedom and having to deal with the same people everyday - no room for meeting others? [/quote] You are aware that this is more or less the European system. Where you don't directly get choicy in classes in the same manner as americans do but instead have assigned classes which are for your entire your for your entire class. Essentially being with the same people for nine years in primary school and then being with a further set of same people for four years in middle school (or american high schools). Oddly enough, I never met a person that was in any way damaged by this. Nor are you limited from meeting other people either. I get the impression you failed your class because you were lazy and have then filled the whole thing with excuses as to why you failed it. None of the things you described should lead you even close to failing. [QUOTE=TheDamnWizards!;34124529]Fun fact, I learn better using a computer than pen and paper. It's about time that the world transitions to paperless.[/QUOTE] Yeah, apart from pen and paper usually giving you more basic skills which then can be combined with a computer. Also trust me, the moment you enter college|unis you will begin to hate a pc screen with utter and absolute passion. Since reading 300page notes is a pain on anything but paper. [QUOTE=GVG-Vit;34119135]I would say our education is shit too. But it looks like education is shit everywhere :v: I never liked literature lessons because we had to learn fucking verses, read tons of useless shit, write shitloads of text about what author was thinking during writing *some* story. All those authors would shit bricks after reading this stuff about "what were they thinking", but teachers like it. Many teachers follow 2 simple instructions: 1) do not explain anything 2) give heap of homework But still some of my teachers are great people who don't follow these instructions. Always wanted to know how the stuff is going on on other side of the Earth. ;)[/QUOTE] Have you for a moment thought on what use is this for? a) Helps to insanely train your memory b) Helps to develop your ability to critically think and consider written text As to the lack of explanation homework issue. You are aware that from a pure basic, the teacher should only give you the basis of what to work off and then you are meant to find the understand of the problem at home over the homework. Essentially there's two really really tough transitions in school usually for students. The first happens around fifth grade, when the teacher begins to add on the workload and begins to add in stuff which require you to think and then, perhaps the bigger change happens around high school. Where teachers no longer are supposed to explain everything, but instead merely give you a schema to work with. Forcing you to figure out the problem by yourself.

American school system is a joke. What a bigger joke is "No child left behind" What ends up happening is we go out of our way to help the people who aren't smarter than the average. Needless to say there are also people who just plain don't want to learn and just goof around and go to school to socialize. So we end up spending all or most of our money on students who aren't the top 10%, or 20, or 30. In my opinion, if you don't want to go to school, don't, your just wasting others time. Related to the OP, I find it funny that you complain about your school. Education is a gift, who the f cares if the staff is shit. You have the potential, you have the opportunity, you have the chance to excel. If you don't its nobodies fault but your own. Don't be disappointed if you get more homework, be glad, do it with pride. Each assignment you get its a another thing that can set you ahead of your peers. But public school shouldn't be that way, we aren't Japan, or China, or Korea. TL;DR School system needs a major reform.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34124605]but some people learn better with paper.[/QUOTE] only because its drilled into their heads from birth that electronics make you a stupid lazy hermit

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;34135733]only because its drilled into their heads from birth that electronics make you a stupid lazy hermit[/QUOTE] No, this was never drilled into my head yet I find it easier to digest information that is on paper than on a computer. It's less of an eye-strain to read off of paper, and it's more satisfying to actually go through pages of information rather than simply scrolling down a website. There's also far less distractions when reading off of a piece of paper, because the only content on the paper is the information that is needed. On a computer, you get to do whatever the fuck you want to do.

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;34135733]only because its drilled into their heads from birth that electronics make you a stupid lazy hermit[/QUOTE] No, some people (such as me) just prefer taking notes on paper, and reading an actual textbook.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;34125169]No, if students were instead given something such as a laptop to use (such as what my whole year got back when I was in Year 9) the amount of productivity would drop immensely. Based off of my own experience for a few years straight, I can tell you that work is better done with pen and paper. Most people only use the laptops for playing flash games, and if you can get past the whitelist then to go on Facebook or Youtube. Everyone does it. I did too and I regret it now. Then there's the issues of students not properly taking care of their laptops...[/QUOTE] Well maybe some people learn better with pen/paper. I on the other hand tend to be 100 times more productive/artistic with my laptop than with pen/paper. I don't go to Facebook, hell I don't HAVE a Facebook and Youtube is pointless since the videos are slow to buffer anyways. I finish my work early and do it well so I can have a little free time, and with that time that I get I go and play some CoD4 or something to pass the time. Although I will agree with you that most students will go play flash games or something, I have a computer studies class and in it we ALL use laptops, almost literally every screen is chock full of flash games or Youtube and the teacher does absolutely nothing about it. Maybe if they made work more interesting people wouldn't be so off task. The school system is messed up I tell you.