• Drawing nude/semi-nude underage girls - is that also pedophilia?
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[QUOTE=dgg;18646656]Drawing furry drawings makes you a guy that draws furry drawings and might be a furry. That's it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I agree, but the way people react to furries around here, that's definitely not what you'd think THEY think.
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;18646643]and rom a utilitarian perspective it is actually quite a positive asset in preventing pedophiles from committing child-rape.[/QUOTE] Do you have any evidence that it actually has this effect? You could just as easily argue that it desensitizes people to the sense of revulsion we've cultivated toward boning kids as a society.
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;18646643] You wanna know what [i]is[/i] a problem? Moral objectivists like you, because all you do is run around saying stuff is good and bad based on nothing but your obsolete if not detrimental world-views.[/QUOTE] So you think forcing morals in people is immoral?
[QUOTE=Smashmaster;18646689]Yeah, I agree, but the way people react to furries around here, that's definitely not what you'd think THEY think.[/QUOTE] Of course not. But you aren't THEY are you? You're YOU. Come with YOUR opinion on the case.
"3 elderly sisters." How old exactly were your sisters? Over 70?
[QUOTE=dgg;18646656]post[/QUOTE] [B]Off topic[/B] I like your avatar, i could watch it all day
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18646713]So you think forcing morals in people is immoral?[/QUOTE] No, I think it's detrimental. [editline]08:57PM[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;18646711]Do you have any evidence that it actually has this effect? You could just as easily argue that it desensitizes people to the sense of revulsion we've cultivated toward boning kids as a society.[/QUOTE] Nope. Nothing except what is, to me, common sense, but I'm not proposing anything. Do you have any to the contrary?
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;18646745]No, I think it's detrimental.[/QUOTE] What the best direction for society is is also subjective.
[QUOTE=dgg;18646719]Of course not. But you aren't THEY are you? You're YOU. Come with YOUR opinion on the case.[/QUOTE] My opinions usually lead to hysteria and arson, so let's not talk about MY opinions. Really, for some reason everything I say is like a black hole of anger-- so I try to insulate myself by using other people as examples. EDIT: If you need to hear MY opinion about this one it's that, yeah, drawing naked kids, even under a sexual context, doesn't make you a pedophile. Under a sexual context, though, it means you have the same characteristics as a pedophile, and the only reason you're NOT one is the fact that you've not touched any little kids. This is definitely under a sexual context, and the guy would definitely touch kids if he got a safe chance to.
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;18646745]Nope. Do you have any to the contrary?[/QUOTE] No, but if you're going to make a claim like that the burden of proof is on you.
[QUOTE=TH89;18646711]Do you have any evidence that it actually has this effect? You could just as easily argue that it desensitizes people to the sense of revulsion we've cultivated toward boning kids as a society.[/QUOTE] It has that effect because it will lessen the surpression of the urge to go have sexual intercourse with a child. If you can release your urges through imagination and something that resembles it (drawings, fleshlights, sleeping pillows with drawings on them, blablabla) then you will lessen the urge to do the real thing because you've just imagined doing it. It's better than not having it.
[QUOTE=garry;18643822]Look guys I'm a pedo, drawing this makes me just as bad as people who rape and muder kids [img]http://filesmelt.com/downloader/pedopaint.png[/img][/QUOTE] You might want to read up on the legal status of cartoon child pornography garry. You could be in for 3 years with an [i] unlimited fine [/i]
[QUOTE=HookJ;18646633]He's a sick fuck for drawing something physically impossible on Paint? I hope you realise babies aren't developed enough to get an erection.[/QUOTE] It was a joke.
[QUOTE=stylee32;18646738][B]Off topic[/B] I like your avatar, i could watch it all day[/QUOTE] Thank you. [QUOTE=Smashmaster;18646782]My opinions usually lead to hysteria and arson, so let's not talk about MY opinions. Really, for some reason everything I say is like a black hole of anger-- so I try to insulate myself by using other people as examples.[/QUOTE] Everytime I make a post I expect to be flamed. You shouldn't be such a wimp. State your opinion and stand strong for it. If you find an argument that actually makes you change it then you change your opinion. But otherwise state it and discuss. It's a forum. Forums are made for people to discuss their opinions with others opinions. Posting becomes useless if you use other peoples opinions instead of yours, just to be "accepted". Die trying. [QUOTE=Hemroid_Man;18646802]You might want to read up on the legal status of cartoon child pornography garry. You could be in for 3 years with an [i] unlimited fine [/i][/QUOTE] I doubt you would find a person thinking that drawing was made to be sexually arousing and get through court with it.
Depends, if it is clearly designed to get someone's rocks off, then it could be CP, but if not, then it's probably just a wierdo.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18646608]I'd find it hard to believe someone would have a purely non anti-semitic interest in drawing dead Jews.[/QUOTE] WWII memorial?
They're goddamn drawn characters, nobody is being murdered or raped by them.
[QUOTE=dgg;18646789]It has that effect because it will lessen the surpression of the urge to go have sexual intercourse with a child. If you can release your urges through imagination and something that resembles it (drawings, fleshlights, sleeping pillows with drawings on them, blablabla) then you will lessen the urge to do the real thing because you've just imagined doing it. It's better than not having it.[/QUOTE] You're doing the same thing as he is, which is taking a position and then rationalizing it. It's just as easy to rationalize the opposing position. Unless you have actual statistical evidence that it has that effect, you can't make an assertion like that in good faith.
[QUOTE=TH89;18646788]No, but if you're going to make a claim like that the burden of proof is on you.[/QUOTE] Why? I'm not proposing anything.
[QUOTE=dgg;18646838]Everytime I make a post I expect to be flamed. You shouldn't be such a wimp. State your opinion and stand strong for it. If you find an argument that actually makes you change it then you change your opinion. But otherwise state it and discuss. It's a forum. Forums are made for people to discuss their opinions with others opinions. Posting becomes useless if you use other peoples opinions instead of yours, just to be "accepted". Die trying.[/QUOTE] No, this forum USED to be for talking about Garry's Mod. When this forum became about discussing opinions it started sucking ass instantly. I still hang out here, though, because I get distracted from things I should be doing, like homework.
[QUOTE=TH89;18646888]You're doing the same thing as he is, which is taking a position and then rationalizing it. It's just as easy to rationalize the opposing position. Unless you have actual statistical evidence that it has that effect, you can't make an assertion like that in good faith.[/QUOTE] I'm using my opinion on the cause. It's a theory I believe in. [QUOTE=Smashmaster;18646902]No, this forum USED to be for talking about Garry's Mod. When this forum became about discussing opinions it started sucking ass instantly. I still hang out here, though, because I get distracted from things I should be doing, like homework.[/QUOTE] USED. Enough said.
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;18646894]Why? I'm not proposing anything.[/QUOTE] You are proposing that CP is a "positive asset" in that it reduces the number of pedos who molest kids.
[QUOTE=TH89;18646924]You are proposing that CP is a "positive asset" in that it reduces the number of pedos who molest kids.[/QUOTE] Not CP. Illustrations of children without use of actual children.
EDIT: Off topic post
[QUOTE=dgg;18646908]I'm using my opinion on the cause. It's a theory I believe in.[/QUOTE] I know it's your opinion. It's still irrational and meaningless in a discussion of actual real-life policymaking.
[QUOTE=Smashmaster;18646948]Garry's mod section isn't the main attraction any more, not enough people go there for it to be any good. Besides, I don't even play Gmod any more. EDIT: Sorry, this is off topic[/QUOTE] Just a last input: The Gmod section hasn't changed since I was there in 2005. [QUOTE=TH89;18646959]I know it's your opinion. It's still irrational and meaningless in a discussion of actual real-life policymaking.[/QUOTE] No, because it's the only thing you can go by, really. As far as I know at least there has been no tests on this matter. But maybe it has. But it's the same as discussing time traveling, there are only theories, assumptions and opinions, no actual facts.
[QUOTE=TH89;18646924]You are proposing that CP is a "positive asset" in that it reduces the number of pedos who molest kids.[/QUOTE] He means drawn pornography.
I think drawing nude kids can be linked very easily to the crime of pedophilia-- but it's not a %100 sure-fire way, so, if anything, nude drawings of kids should be watched closely by law-enforcement, but no action should be taken unless it takes a step into the real world.
[QUOTE=dgg;18646944]Not CP. Illustrations of children without use of actual children.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dronaroid;18646966]He means drawn pornography.[/QUOTE] The post I was replying to included both: [QUOTE=TheAnarchist;18646643]Child porn, especially drawn, isn't inherently "bad"[/QUOTE] When I use the term "child porn" I mean "porn of children," whether it's drawn or not. Obviously there is a different set of ethical implications for each of those, but that's not what's at issue here.
[QUOTE=TH89;18646607]Tell me about your childhood[/QUOTE] l2europeanfamily.
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