Drawing nude/semi-nude underage girls - is that also pedophilia?

[dgg]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648348]It's illegal to have sexual relations with a child as they're unable to give consent.

So having that for a sexual fantasy is just as bad as actually doing it.

Sex with a minor is always rape/molestation.

Wow there's a lot of pedophiles on fp.[/QUOTE]

Shooting somebody in a game is just as bad as shooting somebody in real life.

That's basically what you are implying now.

[jcallan]

We should all stop feeding the horrible troll that is DrMortician now

[HookJ]

[QUOTE=Smashmaster;18648464]The reason threads like this go on so long is because after the first group of people in the thread argue for a while and then either sort it out and leave or just ragequit, another group comes in and has the same argument over again, usually coming to the same conclusion.[/QUOTE]

That could all be solved if people actually fucking read the thread instead of reading the OP and the last few posts.

[ryandaniels]

[QUOTE=dgg;18648470]Shooting somebody in a game is just as bad as shooting somebody in real life.

That's basically what you are implying now.[/QUOTE]

Actually I have to stop you there-

What he is trying to say is that since the girl didn't consent to you raping/ having sex with her in your mind, that it constitutes a breach of her privacy.

However, it's still just as moronic. Each man's mind is it's own sovereign nation in my opinion.

[DrMortician]

[QUOTE=HookJ;18648409]So what you're saying is thinking about raping a child (where the only thing damaged is your psyche) is as bad as ACTUALLY raping a child (which pretty much ruins their lives and leads to many, many psychological problems and destroys families)?

Sorry, but if it wasn't apparent that you were an idiot before it is now.[/QUOTE]

Reasonable doubt to believe they may eventually carry out their sexual fantasy. When people don't even have the will power to quit smoking or lose weight, I find it hard to believe they have the will power to never attempt their sexual fantasies.

How many times do we hear about these serial killers who are doing all of it as a sexual fantasy? They dreamed about it and it eventually got the better of them. If someone is a pedophile they need psychological therapy to eventually hope to get rid of the urges to molest children.

[rosar098]

Here's basically the conclusion I've come to: Thoguhts and drawings of CP isn't inllegal, but actually doing it is.

[Spartex]

It's now illegal in Britain i believe... i might be wrong there, can anybody confirm?

[dgg]

[QUOTE=ryandaniels;18648538]Actually I have to stop you there-

What he is trying to say is that since the girl didn't consent to you raping/ having sex with her in your mind, that it constitutes a breach of her rights.

However, it's still just as moronic. Each man's mind is it's own sovereign nation in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Uh... But it's just an imaginative person and it's basically just the same as playing a game since the persons there are also imaginative (usually) and are not real in any way.

[QUOTE=rosar098;18648568]Here's basically the conclusion I've come to: Thoguhts and drawings of CP isn't inllegal, but actually doing it is.[/QUOTE]

Well duh.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648564]How many times do we hear about these serial killers who are doing all of it as a sexual fantasy? They dreamed about it and it eventually got the better of them. If someone is a pedophile they need psychological therapy to eventually hope to get rid of the urges to molest children.[/QUOTE]

You can't get rid of paedohpilic thoughts if you are a peadophile the same way that you can't get rid of homosexual thoughts if you are homosexual. You can only supress and hold it back.

[DrMortician]

[QUOTE=rosar098;18648568]Here's basically the conclusion I've come to: Thoguhts and drawings of CP isn't inllegal, but actually doing it is.[/QUOTE]

It's illegal in the US.

[jcallan]

[QUOTE=rosar098;18648568]Here's basically the conclusion I've come to: Thoguhts and drawings of CP isn't inllegal, but actually doing it is.[/QUOTE]

:bravo:

[ryandaniels]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648564]Reasonable doubt to believe they may eventually carry out their sexual fantasy. When people don't even have the will power to quit smoking or lose weight, I find it hard to believe they have the will power to never attempt their sexual fantasies.

How many times do we hear about these serial killers who are doing all of it as a sexual fantasy? They dreamed about it and it eventually got the better of them. If someone is a pedophile they need psychological therapy to eventually hope to get rid of the urges to molest children.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't matter. We don't, and I think most people would say we shouldn't, punish on basis of future crimes.

You would agree if you weren't busy being a massive, bigoted social conservative.

[thelinx]

[QUOTE=jcallan;18648224]Dag Gullik Gulliksen like cocks, you read it here first.[/QUOTE]

Dude, dickgirl incest rape is where it's at. Also, aren't you cool for being able to find [i]his real name[/i] :o

[QUOTE=rosar098;18646541]give me a link to one, and I think I can tell you if it is or not.[/QUOTE]

~mister police~

[HookJ]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648564]Reasonable doubt to believe they may eventually carry out their sexual fantasy. When people don't even have the will power to quit smoking or lose weight, I find it hard to believe they have the will power to never attempt their sexual fantasies.

How many times do we hear about these serial killers who are doing all of it as a sexual fantasy? They dreamed about it and it eventually got the better of them. If someone is a pedophile they need psychological therapy to eventually hope to get rid of the urges to molest children.[/QUOTE]

Serial killers make up <0.1% of the population, most people have the common sense to not do stupid shit like that, if everyone who attempted their fantasies of rape and such the prisons would be a lot fuller.

You're just being ignorant and pre-judging people by their thoughts.

[larthemar]

[QUOTE=jcallan;18648421]Somebody call the thought police![/QUOTE]

They prefer the term Chinese Government

[Cheesemonkey]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648564]Reasonable doubt to believe they may eventually carry out their sexual fantasy. When people don't even have the will power to quit smoking or lose weight, I find it hard to believe they have the will power to never attempt their sexual fantasies.

How many times do we hear about these serial killers who are doing all of it as a sexual fantasy? They dreamed about it and it eventually got the better of them. If someone is a pedophile they need psychological therapy to eventually hope to get rid of the urges to molest children.[/QUOTE]

you're really bad at this

[jcallan]

[QUOTE=larthemar;18648683]They prefer the term Chinese Government[/QUOTE]

:ssh:

[DrMortician]

[QUOTE=dgg;18648584]Uh... But it's just an imaginative person and it's basically just the same as playing a game since the persons there are also imaginative (usually) and are not real in any way.

Well duh.

You can't get rid of paedohpilic thoughts if you are a peadophile the same way that you can't get rid of homosexual thoughts if you are homosexual.[/QUOTE]

Totally off base on that one It's not just an imaginative person, it's you projecting your self into the situation of molesting a child, and that's what gets you off. There's the problem.

You may not 100% ever erase someone's sexual desires, but you can teach them how to control it and understand that they can't entertain the ideals through things like loli and what not. Comparing it to homosexuality is ridiculous, last time I checked they weren't getting off to molesting children.

[jcallan]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648564]Reasonable doubt to believe they may eventually carry out their sexual fantasy. When people don't even have the will power to quit smoking or lose weight, I find it hard to believe they have the will power to never attempt their sexual fantasies.

How many times do we hear about these serial killers who are doing all of it as a sexual fantasy? They dreamed about it and it eventually got the better of them. If someone is a pedophile they need psychological therapy to eventually hope to get rid of the urges to molest children.[/QUOTE]

Currently I wish to murder you.

Therefore I am a murderer and should be treated as such.

/logic

[thelinx]

[QUOTE=larthemar;18648683]They prefer the term Chinese Government[/QUOTE]

Because China is the only country that would take action against people who expresses hostility against the government :downs:

[ryandaniels]

Hey DrMortician, let me ask you something.

Would you actually like to live in a world where made-up definitions of right and wrong were not only enforced by the government, but tested for, and if found, forcibly medicated?

[DrMortician]

[QUOTE=ryandaniels;18648640]
You would agree if you weren't busy being a massive, bigoted social conservative.[/QUOTE]

Because being against child molestation makes me a bigoted social conservative.

I guess I need to go rape children to know what the grass is like on the other side of the fence, huh? Don't be so ridiculous.

[HookJ]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648720]Totally off base on that one It's not just an imaginative person, it's you projecting your self into the situation of molesting a child, and that's what gets you off. There's the problem.

You may not 100% ever erase someone's sexual desires, but you can teach them how to control it and understand that they can't entertain the ideals through things like loli and what not. Comparing it to homosexuality is ridiculous, last time I checked they weren't getting off to molesting children.[/QUOTE]

Now basically what you've said is homosexuals cannot be pedophiles at the same time, and it IS the same thing. If you're born attracted to the opposite sex you're a homosexual, it's natural in the same way as if you're born attracted to pre-pubescent children you're a pedophile, even if you're smart enough to realise having sex with children is wrong you're still a pedophile for being attracted to children. It's pretty much the same as being a homosexual.

[DrMortician]

[QUOTE=ryandaniels;18648750]Hey DrMortician, let me ask you something.

Would you actually like to live in a world where made-up definitions of right and wrong were not only enforced by the government, but tested for, and if found, forcibly medicated?[/QUOTE]

No

But your opinions have little impact on the current US laws. It's currently illegal to be in possession of child pornography, lolicon, or anything of that nature.

So I already live in that word, and the "medication" is called a jail sentence.

[jcallan]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648751]
I guess I need to go rape children .[/QUOTE]

Wait right where you are and do not attempt to move.

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[QUOTE=HookJ;18648787]Now basically what you've said is homosexuals cannot be pedophiles at the same time, and it IS the same thing. If you're born attracted to the opposite sex you're a homosexual, it's natural in the same way as if you're born attracted to pre-pubescent children you're a pedophile, even if you're smart enough to realise having sex with children is wrong you're still a pedophile for being attracted to children. It's pretty much the same as being a homosexual.[/QUOTE]

[quote=HookJ]
Paedophiles=Homosexuals[/quote]

:psypop:

[DrMortician]

[QUOTE=HookJ;18648787]Now basically what you've said is homosexuals cannot be pedophiles at the same time, and it IS the same thing. If you're born attracted to the opposite sex you're a homosexual, it's natural in the same way as if you're born attracted to pre-pubescent children you're a pedophile, even if you're smart enough to realise having sex with children is wrong you're still a pedophile for being attracted to children. It's pretty much the same as being a homosexual.[/QUOTE]

Homosexuality != Attraction to the opposite sex. You need to look that up.

Also, homosexuality does not break the law, where as molesting children, be it imaginary or not, is against the law.

[Cheesemonkey]

GUYS I'M ARGUING OVER THE INTERNET

WHY? BECAUSE SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME OPINION AS ME. SOMEONE ELSE IS [b]WRONG[/b].

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[jcallan]

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;18648831]Guys i'm arguing over the internet.

Why? Because someone else has a different opinion than me. Someone else is [b]wrong[b].[/QUOTE]

Like your bold tags :smug:

Ever hear of a debate?

[Cheesemonkey]

[QUOTE=jcallan;18648843]Like your bold tags :smug:

Ever hear of a debate?[/QUOTE]

this is the internet

no matter what, neither side will ever yield. because they are always right.

[HookJ]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648821]Homosexuality != Attraction to the opposite sex. You need to look that up.

Also, homosexuality does not break the law, where as molesting children, be it imaginary or not, is against the law.[/QUOTE]

But up until less than 100 years ago, it WAS illegal to be a practising homosexual. People can't help what they find sexually attractive, which is why I said being born as a homosexual and being born as a paedophile (like homosexuals most people do not realise they are one until they are sexually aware) are the same thing in theory. You really need to research your facts before you try and debate something you know nothing about.

EDIT: Facts/General Knowledge.

[ryandaniels]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;18648793]No

But your opinions have little impact on the current US laws. It's currently illegal to be in possession of child pornography, lolicon, or anything of that nature.

So I already live in that word, and the "medication" it called a jail sentence.[/QUOTE]

You don't care about the children. You hate pedophiles because you are a frightened bigot.

There's only one person in the world who can actually imprison anyone, and that's themselves. I pity people like you, who willingly put themselves in an intellectual cage.