Whats with the Israel hate? - General

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23150451]Perhaps they shouldn't have declare war on Israel?[/quote] That's how any rational person would react. And you're no one to talk about "The Pallys should of never defied the U.N!" Israel does it daily. [quote] Edit: Also, this was nobody's land. The Arabs in Palestine could have declared it their own land, but they refused to do so.[/QUOTE] That makes no sense, and no, you're wrong.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23153463]You have lost all credibility if you even had some to start with. What did I say? There has not been one single piece of evidence proving Hamas uses human shields besides Israeli propaganda cartoons. If you want to be factual; remove the Israeli baby from the picture, and place the Palestinian baby in front of the IDF. And you can't deny this due to substantial evidence proving so. Don't bother posting if you're going to make baseless claims.[/QUOTE] :sigh: You got it all wrong, this is about how the baby uses a human sheild.

[QUOTE=Vinze;23153599]:sigh: You got it all wrong, this is about how the baby uses a human sheild.[/QUOTE] :sigh: Wake up, sheeple! That's what the liberal mainstream media want you to believe!

[QUOTE=starpluck;23153590]That's how any rational person would react. And you're no one to talk about "The Pallys should of never defied the U.N!" Israel does it daily.[/quote] I didn't say it was because they defied it, if they don't want to create a state, go ahead, but don't go attacking other newly created states. [quote]That makes no sense, and no, you're wrong.[/QUOTE] It does make sense, and yes, I'm right.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23153670]I didn't say it was because they defied it, if they don't want to create a state, go ahead, but don't go attacking other newly created states.[/quote] You don't get it do you, they can't go 'create a new state' out of land stolen. And they only attacked the state that was built upon theirs, just like how Israel would attack Palestine if it was reverted to it's 1967 borders just like how the U.N declared Palestine to be separated to Jew/Arab. [quote] It does make sense, and yes, I'm right.[/QUOTE] Source.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23153590]That's how any rational person would react. And you're no one to talk about "The Pallys should of never defied the U.N!" Israel does it daily. That makes no sense, and no, you're wrong.[/QUOTE] Wow, you failed pretty hard. Also, I remember your anti-Israel avatar(s), so we already know your place in this story. Just go troll somewhere else, please.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23153761]You don't get it do you, they can't go 'create a new state' out of land stolen. And they only attacked the state that was built upon theirs, just like how Israel would attack Palestine if it was reverted to it's 1967 borders just like how the U.N declared Palestine to be separated to Jew/Arab.[/quote] It wasn't stolen land, it wasn't "built upon theirs" (it was built in places where there was a Jewish majority, or nobody lived at all, the Negev desert). The other parts of this doesn't make much sense, care to elaborate? [quote]Source.[/QUOTE] How about you source the "That makes no sense, and no, you're wrong." first?

[QUOTE=starpluck;23153463]You have lost all credibility if you even had some to start with. Don't bother posting if you're going to make baseless claims.[/QUOTE] You already lost all credibility due to your previous avatars. Also, you're now the one posting baseless claims.

Where are you from, starpluck?

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23153838]It wasn't stolen land, it wasn't "built upon theirs" (it was built in places where there was a Jewish majority, or nobody lived at all, the Negev desert). The other parts of this doesn't make much sense, care to elaborate?[/quote] They didn't only get the Negev desert, they got it all along with other lands. What I said was, is that you seem to imply its the Pallys faults for not obeying the U.N, when yet Israel defies it daily. [quote] How about you source the "That makes no sense, and no, you're wrong." first?[/QUOTE] I can't prove a negative; the burden of proof is on you. [editline]09:22PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bllasae;23153855]You already lost all credibility due to your previous avatars.[/QUOTE] Yeah lets use fallacies :downs: You alreadly lost all credibilty due to your republicant avatar. [quote]Also, you're now the one posting baseless claims.[/quote] :allears: Awaiting examples. [editline]09:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ohadje;23153860]Where are you from, starpluck?[/QUOTE] Why?

[QUOTE=starpluck;23154242]They didn't only get the Negev desert, they got it all along with other lands. What I said was, is that you seem to imply its the Pallys faults for not obeying the U.N, when yet Israel defies it daily.[/quote] The rest of the land they got was owned by Jews, so I don't see a problem with that. The Arabs didn't defy the UN's resolution, but they did act against it, but declining to declare their own state (which they have a right to do so) and attacking the newly created Israel (which they don't). [quote]I can't prove a negative; the burden of proof is on you.[/quote] That's not proving a negative. Proving someone doesn't make sense shouldn't be hard if he doesn't. BTW starpluck is a Palestinians, but his parents\grandparents fled the West Bank to America or Bahrain or something in-between before he was born.

If it weren't for your correct use of grammar, I would think you're a troll. I hate Israel because they stole Palestinian land and are total dickheads to Palestinians.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23154323]The rest of the land they got was owned by Jews, so I don't see a problem with that. The Arabs didn't defy the UN's resolution, but they did act against it, but declining to declare their own state (which they have a right to do so) and attacking the newly created Israel (which they don't).[/quote] Which was created by the UN resolution, which they have a right too. [quote] That's not proving a negative. Proving someone doesn't make sense shouldn't be hard if he doesn't.[/quote] You said the Pallys refused to declare a state, I'm asking for proof. [quote] BTW starpluck is a Palestinians, but his parents\grandparents fled the West Bank to America or Bahrain or something in-between before he was born.[/QUOTE]LOL, not even close.

[QUOTE=Alcapwne;23154342]I hate Israel because they stole Palestinian land and are total dickheads to Palestinians.[/QUOTE] No lands were stolen: [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23148298]OK, let's take a look at the history of the region: 1880 - The Turkish empire controls Palestine, many Arabs are living there and very, very few Jews only in Jerusalem. Inspired by nationalistic movements and events such as Italy's and Germany's reunification, and Greece's revolt against the Turks, some Jews believe they can be a nation too, and must work to end the diaspora and create their own national home in a single piece of land, and not be spread out like they were in the last 1900 years, they choose Palestine for its historical and spiritual significance to the Jewish people, and slowly immigrate there, they call themselves the Zionists (Zion is a name for Jerusalem). 1918 - Immigration to Palestine was moving slowly until WWI started, and the early Zionists decided to help the British against the Turkish empire. The British then got the Mandate of Palestine, which encompassed Jordan as well, and wanted to give 90% of it (Jordan) to the Arabs, while the Jews will receive the remaining 10% (Israel), by the Arabs declined, so It was decided that Jordan will be given to the Arabs, and half of Palestine will be given to the Jews while the other half will go to the Arabs living there. The Jews start to immigrate faster since the British allow more to immigrate than the Turkish empire, they irrigate the land and turn swamps and deserts into fertile green land. 1920's - In the 20's the Arabs realized that the Jews keep coming to Palestine and that they will eventually get their own state, so a few terrorist groups begin an armed conflict with the Zionists and the British as well. 1930's - During these years a lot of Jews immigrated to Palestine, the most before WWII. The armed conflict in turn only grew, and a few Zionist terrorist organizations started operating as well, but the majority of the Zionists condemned them (don't know if it's the same about the Arabs). 1945 - In the end of WWII many holocaust survivors came to Palestine, but most of them went to the US (before WWII it was very hard for a Jew immigrating out of Europe to get to anywhere beside Palestine). By this year it was obvious to the world that a Jewish state must exist, and since there was already a Jewish national home in Palestine, it would just be silly to create a Jewish state somewhere else. 1948 - After several proposals of a one-state solution and two-state solution, the UN has agreed to the partition of the 181'st resolution, which gives 53% of the land to the Jews, and 47% to the Arabs. Aside from the desert (the southernmost, biggest part of land of Israel in this picture: [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png/200px-UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png[/IMG]) the Jews got 20% of the useful land, land which they have lived in for ~40 years, and turned from swamps to useful, fertile land, the Arabs got the other 80% of the useful land. The Jews, who have accepted many other proposals including a one-state solution with Arab majority and a state-council-government-thingy with 11 representatives, 9 of which will be Arabs and 2 will be Jewish, have of course accepted this proposal and declared their own state. The Arabs on the other hand would never allow a Jewish state in Palestine, and declared war on Israel. So, Israel was attacked on its first day by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and a few extreme Islamic organizations as well, and won. They also got a nice bit of territory out of the war, and evicted about 700,000 Arabs from the newly conquered territory, just like how many Arab states did to ~700,000 Jews. Arabs who have lived in Israel's proposed borders however received full citizenship. So please tell me how could the land be considered stolen.[/QUOTE] [editline]08:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=starpluck;23154410]Which was created by the UN resolution, which they have a right too. You said the Pallys refused to declare a state, I'm asking for proof..[/QUOTE] "However, the plan was rejected by leaders of the Arab community (the Palestine Arab Higher Committee etc.),[4][2] who were supported in their rejection by the states of the Arab League. In a communication to the United Nations Palestine Commission dated 19 January 1948, the Arab Higher Committee for Palestine stated that it was "determined [to] persist in rejection [to the] partition and in refusal [to] recognize UNO resolution [with] this respect and anything deriving therefrom".[5]" [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine[/url]

I'm a bit curious, starpluck, that's all.

Peace in the middle east is not within reach until a palestinian state is created and Israel is reduced to its ORIGINAL territory.

[QUOTE=Derubermensch;23155417]Peace in the middle east is not within reach until a palestinian state is created and Israel is reduced to its ORIGINAL territory.[/QUOTE] You mean the '49 borders?

[QUOTE=starpluck;23154242] You alreadly lost all credibilty due to your republicant avatar. Awaiting examples. [/QUOTE] a.) You're a liberal democrat, you had no credibility anyways. I'd like examples of how I was posting without examples, first, please.

Bllasae I have the feeling we are going to have a lot of fun someday in a political thread.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23149711]There still hasn't been one single piece of evidence of Hamas using human shields, besides some pro-Israeli cartoons, I'm serious. I hate hearing that myth, it pisses me off. I assume it was created by Israeli apologists to deflect the true and factual claims of them using Palestinian civilians as human shields. There's also no evidence of Hamas using civilian infrastructure as launch pads either, as confirmed by the U.N. The Arab countries wouldn't be acting this way if Israel hadn't stole land and expelled Palestinians from their homes, which most people seem to forget.[/QUOTE] What most people seem to forget is that the Muslims have hated the Jews before they moved into Israel. It was just convenient because the Jews were now in one place. Also Israel didn't steal land. They won it in said wars which the OTHER countries started. Now you all are calling for a Palestinian state, but I bet each one of you $100 that if one is created, they will systematically kill and expel the Jews in Israel. You don't know the situation Israel is in. Everybody around them wants them, their friends, and their families dead. Saying that Israel are the evil ones is like saying an unarmed man who is attacked by several lions, defeats them, and takes their dens is evil. [quote=Starpluck] What did I say? There has not been one single piece of evidence proving Hamas uses human shields besides Israeli propaganda cartoons. If you want to be factual; remove the Israeli baby from the picture, and place the Palestinian baby in front of the IDF. And you can't deny this due to substantial evidence proving so. Don't bother posting if you're going to make baseless claims. [/quote] How is video evidence? This is from one of the Hamas representatives on Al-Aqsa TV admitting to using Human shields. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs&feature=related[/media] Here is some video of Hamas troops dragging children to use as human shields. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TejVJWSTTpY[/media] Of course you are just going to say it is Zionist propaganda, but whatever. If you really want to change things go join your buddies in Hamas and kill some Jews.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illF1vt5g1Q[/media] I rest my case.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;23157196]What most people seem to forget is that the Muslims have hated the Jews before they moved into Israel. It was just convenient because the Jews were now in one place. [/QUOTE] False. Muslims, Christians and Jews lived peacefully before Zionism started, once the racist ideology Zionism began, tensions rose. [quote] Also Israel didn't steal land. They won it in said wars which the OTHER countries started.[/quote] Yes they did and they still continue. Ever heard of settlements? [quote] Now you all are calling for a Palestinian state, but I bet each one of you $100 that if one is created, they will systematically kill and expel the Jews in Israel.[/quote] No not really, you seem to believe the Palestinians will do exactly what Israel did to them. [quote] You don't know the situation Israel is in. Everybody around them wants them, their friends, and their families dead.[/quote]Source [quote] Saying that Israel are the evil ones is like saying an unarmed man who is attacked by several lions, defeats them, and takes their dens is evil.[/quote]How about a man stealing a house from someone on the basis that his ancestors according to a biblical tale, lived on that land thousands of years ago. [quote] How is video evidence? This is from one of the Hamas representatives on Al-Aqsa TV admitting to using Human shields. [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs[/URL][/quote] Actually watch the video instead of creating a narrative in your head, he suggested using a well known tactic, known as human chains. Human chains are created to prevent casualties and further destruction. There's nothing wrong with that. [quote] Here is some video of Hamas troops dragging children to use as human shields. [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=TejVJWSTTpY[/URL] [/quote]Are you fucking kidding me? Are you actually going to use a heavily [B]edited[/B] video by the IDF as evidence? They were dragging the kids to safety, but the IDF cut that part out immediately. And the 2nd part showed people hiding behind pillars during a gunfight. A kid was in the middle of the street, [B]IN FRONT OF THE PILLARS[/B] so what does Hamas do? They run and save the kid and take him to safety with a crowd near ambulance but what does the IDF do? Cut that part out immediately. You can't deny those facts. You still haven't brought any legitimate evidence proving Hamas using shields; try again. [editline]12:35AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bllasae;23156381]a.) You're a liberal democrat, you had no credibility anyways.[/quote] lol [quote]I'd like examples of how I was posting without examples, first, please.[/QUOTE] "Hamas uses human shields!"

Here you go, starpluck: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=23153521&postcount=91[/url]

I told you that you were going to say it was Zionist propaganda. Why do you say the terrorists are the good guys? I bet you are one of them, starpluck.

Because they are God's chosen people and this forum is filled with child-eating atheist heathen. :downs:

[QUOTE=starpluck;23159107]False. Muslims, Christians and Jews lived peacefully before Zionism started, once the racist ideology Zionism began, tensions rose. Yes they did and they still continue. Ever heard of settlements? No not really, you seem to believe the Palestinians will do exactly what Israel did to them. Source How about a man stealing a house from someone on the basis that his ancestors according to a biblical tale, lived on that land thousands of years ago. Actually watch the video instead of creating a narrative in your head, he suggested using a well known tactic, known as human chains. Human chains are created to prevent casualties and further destruction. There's nothing wrong with that. Are you fucking kidding me? Are you actually going to use a heavily [B]edited[/B] video by the IDF as evidence? They were dragging the kids to safety, but the IDF cut that part out immediately. And the 2nd part showed people hiding behind pillars during a gunfight. A kid was in the middle of the street, [B]IN FRONT OF THE PILLARS[/B] so what does Hamas do? They run and save the kid and take him to safety with a crowd near ambulance but what does the IDF do? Cut that part out immediately. You can't deny those facts. You still haven't brought any legitimate evidence proving Hamas using shields; try again. [editline]12:35AM[/editline] lol "Hamas uses human shields!"[/QUOTE] So.... much... bullshit... so....... painful... ahhhhhh

Most of the people who hate Israel are ignorant who can hear no one but themself.

I don't hate Israel. I love Israel. The only country that dears act on those fucking terrorists. I was disappointed when Iran decided not to send their boat because they feared US. It's just inevitable that a war with Iran will break lose at some point.

I was fine with Israel, up until it started pulling those dick moves in the Gaza strip. Now they're causing more harm than good, and until they start rethinking their feelings towards other nations in that area, they've lost my support. However, I do not support Palestine either. They elected a government party that does not recognize Israel, they are also making the situation worse. I would've supported Palestine had they not started that whole missile barrage business a few years back. The two need to talk to each other, and understand one another. Until then, this stupid conflict will only get worse.

Me, I dont hate Isreal but Human rights violations and genocide and baby killing really pisses me off.