You simply won't accept the fact that we are the best at everything ever except maybe soccer.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;18592216]You simply won't accept the fact that we are the best at everything ever except maybe soccer.[/QUOTE]
wut u sed rite their.. tru dat... usa ruuulez teh owrld, amricka's da best cuntry ever.. lololol
[sp]As a side-note: It's called football; hence, it requires the use of feet to play.[/sp]
America is in a shitload of debt.
[QUOTE=strongreaction;18592061]America isn't the richest. They're in so much fucking debt it's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
America is rich in the same way a man with a no-spending-limit credit card is rich.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18580701]That's why I say China is economically superior to America. China is America's 2nd largest exporter of goods, meaning American gets a very good percent of its goods from China. If China were to suddenly break all trades with America, China's economy would be worse than it is today.[/QUOTE]
The U.S. is also the first largest importer of Chinese goods (if you don't count the EU as one country), meaning if China were to suddenly break all trades with America, America's economy would be worse than it is today.
[QUOTE=Pegleg;18580738]The US isn't the richest per capita, it's like 6th or 8th or something in that respect, but it does have the world's highest GDP.
[B]EDIT:[/B]
Unless you count the European Union as one country. But only stupid people do that.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=evilking1;18580673]Since they buy shit from china, and china lends the money so they can keep on buying.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. The U.S. government is selling bonds to pay for all the crap they can't pay for. China buys a lot of these bonds. Its not like the government is buying all the products from China.
If we are measuring wealth by GDP:
United States $14.44 trillion (2008 est.)
Japan $4.911 trillion (2008 est.)
China $4.327 trillion (2008 est.)
Germany $3.673 trillion (2008 est.)
France $2.867 trillion (2008 est.)
UK $2.68 trillion (2008 est.)
Italy $2.314 trillion (2008 est.)
Russia $1.677 trillion (2008 est.)
Brazil $1.573 trillion (2008 est.)
Spain $1.602 trillion (2008 est.)
Canada $1.5 trillion (2008 est.)
The U.S. makes up about 25% of the GWP.
Source: [url]https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2195.html[/url]
I hate nothing more on this earth than military fanboys and armchair generals, and this thread is teeming with both of those.
[QUOTE=Duders;18593150]United States $14.44 trillion (2008 est.)
Japan $4.911 trillion (2008 est.)
China $4.327 trillion (2008 est.)
Germany $3.673 trillion (2008 est.)
France $2.867 trillion (2008 est.)
UK $2.68 trillion (2008 est.)
Italy $2.314 trillion (2008 est.)
Russia $1.677 trillion (2008 est.)
Brazil $1.573 trillion (2008 est.)
Spain $1.602 trillion (2008 est.)
Canada $1.5 trillion (2008 est.)
The U.S. makes up about 25% of the GWP.
Source: [url]https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2195.html[/url][/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Richest+Country]Also:[/url]
[QUOTE=The golden;18593316]Yeah really.
I don't see how the USA could even be considered rich, the economy is in a total shambles.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, no. Not even close.
Shambles compared to the US economy a decade ago? Sure. Shambles compared to the rest of the world? Not at all.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18580616]America is a superpower due to it's army's sizes and the nuclear weapons it has. It's rate of production of goods and supplies also makes it a power. However, militarily, America is inferior to several nations, notably China in terms of number and the UK in terms of training.[/QUOTE]
Numbers don't mean shit nowadays.
Training doesn't mean shit either because nothing can prepare you for the pants shitting fear of being shot at and possibly killed, having your limbs blown off, or watching your friend get vaporized in an explosion.
[QUOTE=tankkiller;18593381]
Training doesn't mean shit either because nothing can prepare you for the pants shitting fear of being shot at and possibly killed, having your limbs blown off, or watching your friend get vaporized in an explosion.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Anyone who says that training is the sole quality that makes one army more effective than another makes me rage. Training is not a physical, tangible asset to an army, and cannot be measured as such.
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;18593398][url]http://www.usdebtclock.org/[/url]
we're fucked[/QUOTE]
How much of that do you understand?
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;18593404]Agreed. Anyone who says that training is the sole quality that makes one army more effective than another makes me rage. Training is not a physical, tangible asset to an army, and cannot be measured as such.[/QUOTE]
You obviously don't know how effective the Spetsnaz training is/was.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18580616]America is a superpower due to it's army's sizes and the nuclear weapons it has. It's rate of production of goods and supplies also makes it a power. However, militarily, America is inferior to several nations, notably China in terms of number and the UK in terms of training.[/QUOTE]
But over China we have training, and over Britain we have numbers. So it kind of evens out. America has one of the finest militaries in the world. But we are also in a shit load of debt. Generally, America kind of sucks, and I hate politics here, but I always think that I could be FAR worse off.
[QUOTE=The golden;18593489]I've noticed a repeating trend.
Everyone outside the USA says the US economy is in the shitter. (It's even on the news). While everyone [I]inside [/I]the USA seems to totally deny faults with the economy.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious?
Please tell me you are joking with what you just said.
[QUOTE=The golden;18593489]I've noticed a repeating trend.
Everyone outside the USA says the US economy is in the shitter. (It's even on the news). While everyone [I]inside [/I]the USA seems to totally deny faults with the economy.[/QUOTE]
I don't think any one disagreed with the fact the US economy is not doing well. They just said in respect to the rest of the world they aren't doing that bad.
[QUOTE=The golden;18593536]I'm just saying what has been said to me. I'm not making shit up, I'm just passing on the information other people have said to me.[/QUOTE]
Whose opinions regarding the state of the American Economy are more valid? The people (not the governments) of the outside world, or the people holding jobs, earning wages, consuming products, and living their lives in America?
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;18593552]Whose opinions are more valid? The outside world, or the people holding jobs, earning wages, consuming products, and living their lives in America, regarding the state of the American Economy?[/QUOTE]
Being outside or inside the economy does not qualify you to analyze it.
[QUOTE=Duders;18593572]Being outside or inside the economy does not qualify you to analyze it.[/QUOTE]
Sure it does. Having assets that you check on daily and rely on tied to the success of the economy allows you to much more accurately gauge how it is doing than if you were not tied to the economy at all.
[QUOTE=The golden;18593580]Then people in America I talked to were loosing jobs and their parents were going broke. One even had to move to another state because his parents lost their jobs.
They still said nothing was wrong.[/QUOTE]
They're fools if they think nothing was wrong with our economy. And people lose jobs and go broke all the time, it doesn't mean anything is necessarily wrong with the economy, although there is in this case.
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;18593597]Sure it does. Having assets that you check on daily and rely on tied to the success of the economy allows you to much more accurately gauge how it is doing than if you were not tied to the economy at all.[/QUOTE]
So if your assets are doing good the economy is doing good? People can do bad in an economy while the economy is doing good. Other people can do good in an economy while an economy is doing bad. You can't judge the health of the economy based on one persons assets. Economists use data gathered dealing with the entire economy. The same information available to American economists is available to non-American economists. Therefore quality of analysis is independent of nationality.
[QUOTE=The golden;18593692]Could you also give your American reasoning for why countries are selling their American dollars for gold?
India just did this, because they know the value of the American dollar is plummeting. Some other countries did this too, but they've slipped my mind for the moment.
Isn't this the sign of a shitty economy? (When people don't even want your money?) :downs:[/QUOTE]
Source please.
EDIT:
Never mind, I've already found my own. It would help though if in your future posts you had your sources cited.
Again, I don't disagree with you that the U.S. economy is crappy right now.
You think that they "don't want our money" anymore. They're moving from dollars to gold as reserve currency. By your logic people wanted ONLY American money before the recession. :downs:
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[QUOTE=The golden;18593536]I'm just saying what has been said to me. I'm not making shit up, I'm just passing on the information other people have said to me. (This includes you)
To be honest, I've spoken with many people from around the world, and Americans always end up being the most ignorant.
There you go. Flame and call me a dumbass all you want, I don't really care. I speak with Americans all the time, I'm used to it.[/QUOTE]
Your one depressing motherfucker, you know that?
[QUOTE=The golden;18594174]Thank you for at least recognizing some evidence.
It just baffles me how some people can be so ignorant, even when the evidence is standing stark-naked in front of their face.[/QUOTE]
Lots of ignorant people out there man. I think it has to do with the fact that daily life hasn't changed for a lot of people, so they think nothing is wrong.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18592124]The US had other heavy losses like this. They came in rather late though, which is why they had an "easy" time in the war, but that's like deciding not to kill a lion when it's strong, but to wait a while, then killing when it's wounded, and then calling it a fair hunt.[/QUOTE]
...I really don't see how you can say this. The US fought in Africa and in the major battles in Europe. The only reason the US didn't join the war immediately is because the US public didn't want to get involved. Funny how that happens, huh? Refuse to join a war and get called cowards, but go to war and suddenly you're the 'global police.'
[QUOTE=The golden;18593692]Could you also give your American reasoning for why countries are selling their American dollars for gold?
India just did this, because they know the value of the American dollar is plummeting. Some other countries did this too, but they've slipped my mind for the moment.
Isn't this the sign of a shitty economy? (When people don't even want your money?) :downs:[/QUOTE]
The American economy is in a recession. That's why the US dollar is going down in value, and that's why people are losing their jobs. The American economy isn't what I'd call 'shitty,' however. The US as a whole still has the most GDP of any country - so basically, yes, the US is still the richest country on Earth.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18580616]America is a superpower due to it's army's sizes and the nuclear weapons it has. It's rate of production of goods and supplies also makes it a power. However, militarily, America is inferior to several nations, notably China in terms of number and the UK in terms of training.[/QUOTE]
Now tell me. China has numbers, although do they have the ability to transport them across an ocean? Oh and also feed them? We have better tech, better soldiers, and overall superiority over China. The kill ratio for the U.S and China would be somewhere along the lines of 1:10. Meaning one soldier could probably kill 10 Chinese soldiers.
The UK is not militarily superior to the U.S. So your argument is invalid.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;18601775]...I really don't see how you can say this. The US fought in Africa and in the major battles in Europe. The only reason the US didn't join the war immediately is because the US public didn't want to get involved. Funny how that happens, huh? Refuse to join a war and get called cowards, but go to war and suddenly you're the 'global police.'[/quote]
to be fair today's wars are very different from WW2.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;18601775]The American economy is in a recession. That's why the US dollar is going down in value, and that's why people are losing their jobs. The American economy isn't what I'd call 'shitty,' however. The US as a whole still has the most GDP of any country - so basically, yes, the US is still the richest country on Earth.[/QUOTE]
what you consider a shitty economy is rooted in perception. obviously someone who lost their job or got kicked out of their home will say the economy is shitty
[QUOTE=Amez;18602154]Now tell me. China has numbers, although do they have the ability to transport them across an ocean? Oh and also feed them? We have better tech, better soldiers, and overall superiority over China. The kill ratio for the U.S and China would be somewhere along the lines of 1:10. Meaning one soldier could probably kill 10 Chinese soldiers. [/quote]
of course a land invasion of either country is out of the question, but if the two armies were in battle, it's doubtful that would be the scenario, or the ratio. china has a mountain of resources and funding it can draw from to make their military a very capable force. also, the massive numbers china has is a very very big advantage. they can perform tactical maneuvers without much regard to their casualties.
basically, a war between us would be a stalemate. a battle would be terribly bloody and chaotic
[QUOTE=Amez;18602154]
The UK is not militarily superior to the U.S. So your argument is invalid.[/QUOTE]
But they have special TRUUPERS like SAS and others have SUPERSOLDIER training :downs:
isnt norway the richest country? WE GOT OIL MAN
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18592124]The US had other heavy losses like this. They came in rather late though, which is why they had an "easy" time in the war, but that's like deciding not to kill a lion when it's strong, but to wait a while, then killing when it's wounded, and then calling it a fair hunt.[/QUOTE]
Without the U.S Europe would be Germania.
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