anyone want to do me a solid and direct me to some cool oldschool songs to sample for a hiphop beat
[QUOTE=Rediscover;32171202]anyone want to do me a solid and direct me to some cool oldschool songs to sample for a hiphop beat[/QUOTE]
Delta Blues and Spirituals by Son House has got some really awesome vocal stuff you could use. Or try Leadbelly :v:
Arrgh! Just found out that I've been practicing/playing piano the wrong way, because of some stupid misinterpretation about hand placement in the piano-book I'm going through. Was only my left hand playing, but still irritating. Thank god for piano-lessons.
Lately I've been finding that different time signatures are a good way to beat writers block. I'm not really sure where I got the ability to improvise so well in different time signatures either, because I used to struggle with it a lot.
The only time signatures I use are 4/4 and 3/4 with the occasional variations of them like 6/4, 8/4 and 12/4
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Because I don't think odd time signatures like 5/4 or 7/4 sound very well.
Here is something I came up with in 6/8. Well I'm pretty sure the drums are in 6/8, the guitar may be in a multiple. The phrase is off because I loop recording and where the loop ending caused a displaced start point and it's probably a bad example of the riff, but it's just a reference for myself.
[url=http://tindeck.com/listen/zvvk][img]http://tindeck.com/image/zvvk/stats.png[/img][/url]
And this is something I came up with in 7/4. I'm pretty sure it is 7/4 because it is slower and I'm obviously playing 1/8 notes. I know 7/8 and 7/4 get mistaken a lot, but I think I'm right on this one.
[url=http://tindeck.com/listen/kmho][img]http://tindeck.com/image/kmho/stats.png[/img][/url]
On another note, my low e just broke, which only leave me with my top four strings since me A string broke a while ago.
I'm not sure what the difference between /8 and /4 is but the first one definitely sound like 4/4, and the second one sound like 9/4 atleast for the first two lines :v:
First is 4/4(at least the drums are), the other is 7/8 with some weird guitar-overlapping at the last bar. If you want some cool time sigs, check out 15/16(4/4 minus one 16th note) and 19/16(5/4 minus one 16th note).
Difference between /4, /8, /16 is what kind of notes values you use and the general bpm. If you have 8 notes, it's /8 and so on.
Darn, I hate it when I do that... The first one is 4/4. The second one I am pretty sure is 7/4 because it makes more sense in that time with the phrase being used, though some people suggest that it is subjective.
I didn't use a metronome with the one that I thought was 6/8 because it sounded very messy with the drums.
I write in 9/4 a lot so my drummer pretty much hates me
Yeah I realise that but /8 and /4 and /16 is basically the same thing then, only different in theory and even then it's usually easier to use /4 :v:
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32184595]Yeah I realise that but /8 and /4 and /16 is basically the same thing then, only different in theory and even then it's usually easier to use /4 :v:[/QUOTE]
It depends. Writing 7/8 in /4 form wouldn't really be practical.
I don't see how /8 is more difficult than /4 though?
it's only different in how it's written
[QUOTE=ButtsexV17;32185002]it's only different in how it's written[/QUOTE]
I always count 3/4 and 6/8 differently though.
3/4 as [B]1[/B] 2 3
6/8 as [B]1[/B] 2
[QUOTE=Yur|ko;32184959]It depends. Writing 7/8 in /4 form wouldn't really be practical.
I don't see how /8 is more difficult than /4 though?[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, you're right now that I think about it, nothing other than 2, 4, 8 or 16 in /8 would be the same as /4.
[editline]8th September 2011[/editline]
Or wait, 4/4 is [U][B]1[/B] 2 3 4[/U] and 4/8 is basically the same but with faster notes?
Yes.
Then there is not point in writing /8 instead of /4 at all.
There are reasons to write in /2 and /8 and so forth, mostly relating to ease of counting. In some pieces, it might be far easier to count in one time signature than another.
[QUOTE=Yur|ko;32185068]I always count 3/4 and 6/8 differently though.
3/4 as [B]1[/B] 2 3
6/8 as [B]1[/B] 2[/QUOTE]
it should be
1 & 2 & [b]3[/b] & 4 &
1 2 3 4 5 [b]6[/b] 7 8
[QUOTE=ButtsexV17;32185611]it should be
1 & 2 & [b]3[/b] & 4 &
1 2 3 4 5 [b]6[/b] 7 8[/QUOTE]
You count 3/4 as [U]1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3...[/U]
[editline]8th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pepin;32185610]4/8
So one beat would be an 1/8 note and there would be four quarter notes in a measure, meaning eight beats a measure. So I do not think it would be the same. I could be way off on this because my thinking just seems to be wrong today.[/QUOTE]
4/4 is 4 quarter notes for one bar "1 2 3 4, 1 2 3 4...". 4/8 is 4 eight notes so "1 2 3 4, 1 2 3 4" except each note is half the lenght. We could and should still use 4/4 instead of 4/8 though because 4/8 is only twice the BTM.
[editline]8th September 2011[/editline]
Err hold on I'll make an example.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV17;32185611]it should be
1 & 2 & [b]3[/b] & 4 &
1 2 3 4 5 [b]6[/b] 7 8[/QUOTE]
Wrong on the second because the top number says there are only X beats a measure. So
1 2 3
1 2 3 4 5 6
The bottom number determines what a beat it, 4 would mean a quarter note is, if it was 16, a 16th note would be one beat.
Why would you count 3/4 with 1234 and 6/8 with 12345678?
When I usually count 123 223 323 423(4 bars), and 123456, 223456, 323456, 423456. I count 7/8 as 12-12-123 and 5/8 as 12-123. As for the /4, I count them just straight ahead. I usually don't count when I play the drums though. It's often easier to just practice a lot to a click-track or remember the riff.
Here's how I practice playing odd time and metric modulation on drums.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWZkOo-44xA[/media]
Oh sorry Pepin, I quoted/read the wrong post, you're absolutely right!
That makes absolutely no sense. Here I made an example:
[IMG]http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2465/noteproof.png[/IMG]
The very first bar is in 4/4 and the other 2 are in 4/8, and if you play it the 4/4 part sounds exacly the same as the 4/8 part.
The 4/4 part counts [U]4[/U] [U]quarter notes[/U] for one bar, the 4/8 part counts [U]4[/U] [U]eight notes[/U] for one bar.
Also, here's a wiki link.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature[/url]
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32185583]Then there is not point in writing /8 instead of /4 at all.[/QUOTE]
easier readability for sheet music
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;32185906]easier readability for sheet music[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's true in some cases, if you're gonna use alot of quarter notes in a /4 it'd be easier if you instead used eight notes since you can draw them together. But then you could make it even easier and just put together 2 of the /8 bars into 1 /4 bar and it would still be relatively easy to read and and more orthodox.
well tbh no one really uses 8/4 besides for really really slow pieces. You see a lot of 2/4 though
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32185639]You count 3/4 as [U]1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3...[/U]
[editline]8th September 2011[/editline]
4/4 is 4 quarter notes for one bar "1 2 3 4, 1 2 3 4...". 4/8 is 4 eight notes so "1 2 3 4, 1 2 3 4" except each note is half the lenght. We could and should still use 4/4 instead of 4/8 though because 4/8 is only twice the BTM.
[editline]8th September 2011[/editline]
Err hold on I'll make an example.[/QUOTE]
yeah I was thinking upside down but 6/8 still wouldn't be 1 2
[QUOTE=ButtsexV17;32188360]yeah I was thinking upside down but 6/8 still wouldn't be 1 2[/QUOTE]
I believe you're making the argument that you'd count
1 and 2 and 3 and
You could do that if you wanted, but I don't believe it would be as correct as the /8 makes the eighth note a beat, and counting is focused on the beats. If you aren't saying that, then how would you count it?
[QUOTE=ButtsexV17;32188360]yeah I was thinking upside down but 6/8 still wouldn't be 1 2[/QUOTE]
you got me all wrong
i was telling you where the emphasis would be e.g. 6/8 is [B]1[/B] 2 [B]3[/B] 4 [B]5[/B] 6
that's how i do it at least
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