[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48253995]Also, It's no secret that Japan has serious intimacy issues. for example VICE has done documentaries on how Hardly anyone in JApan is gettign married anymore, and the booming fetish trade, [B]as well as cuddle cafes!![/B][/QUOTE]
... Well shit, I do like hugs and cuddling...
And I can't say I've gotten either of those in a long time.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;48255927]It isn't tradition in Japan either though?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;48255968]I have literally seen noone defend child prostitution in Japan with the excuse of "tradition."[/QUOTE]
His post was talking about the culture in general and so was mine. I'm talking about the way people excuse the stuff that needs to be worked on with "tradition" or just choose to ignore it more than they would when talking about the same problems in a country with a more similar (in this case, western) culture. I'm not saying it's [I]actual[/I] tradition
[QUOTE=Cone;48255462]While this is true, I don't really like how the idea of the tormented pedophile is used in a kind of "appeal to misery" to defend them - I feel like it encourages them to stew in self-hate and just accept that they're unfixable freaks with mental problems who've gotta fight off "urges" all the time, which I don't think is really the case. They [I]do[/I] have problems that need fixing, but with the melodramatic way that they're seen it could actually make them feel like it's not worth looking for help, or at least ways to make their life easier. Between that and the dudes who just want to shoot them all, it's like a pincer with self-flagellation on one side and violence on the other. It could even lead to these more sympathetic pedophiles becoming downright nasty as their life goes on.
With that in mind I'd say an easily-accessible outreach program is probably the best way to tackle the problem. That way the ones who think they need help can get it, and the ones who don't can get arrested (or just sit in their basements feeling sorry for themselves and never jerking off I guess).[/QUOTE]
I think what'd be the best thing to do is to try and teach them the difference between fantasy and reality and why acting out on their urges in reality is not ok. Assuming they don't already know that, that is.
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;48253672]japan's culture just confuses the shit out of me, you have all of this formality, honour and shame for family; and then you get weird sexual cartoon shit plastered all over the place[/QUOTE]
One sort of comes with the other when you think about it. When you repress sexuality and keep men and women essentially segregated for thousands of years, you just make this cultural pressure culture of bizarre fetishes and obsessions.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48253638]I hate how dismissive a lot of [weaboos] are of criticism towards Japan.
Can we just accept that Japan is fucking baffling, and not always in a good way? This video is an example of something seemingly innocent that becomes an obsession. That, and Japan objectifies women. [B]Molestation is so common on public transportation that its practically accepted.[/B][/quote]
No, it's not. I lived in Japan for four years and had to use the public transportation system almost daily and never got the impression that it's "practically accepted". Where did you hear that exactly?
[quote]Japan just plain old disgusts me. I'm sorry if Japanophiles get all pissy over me being xenophobic, but it isn't like Japan hasn't given me a whole list of reasons to be upset. Their culture is blatantly misogynistic and self-indulgent, and to say it wierds me out is an understatement.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call it being pissy, but it's definitely being ignorant. I won't deny for a single second that Japan has serious issues: women's rights, extremely rigid and right immigration policies, birth rates plummeting, an unpopular and seemingly powerless government, lack of government protection for its young generation, and others. But to call their culture as a whole "misogynistic" and "self-indulgent" is pretty much the viewpoint of someone taking in all the bad news and issues that a country faces and arrives at the same conclusion you did.
Wasn't it universally accepted that Japan was a fucked-up country about 8 decades ago?
At first I was under the impression that this was just adults dressing as schoolgirls, which on its own is kinda strange but not necessarily wrong. But for this sort of obsession has evolved into actual prostitution of actual schoolgirls is disgusting.
It's weird seeing Simon Ostrovsky outside of Eastern Europe, but I'd still contend he is one of Vice's best correspondents.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48253638]I hate how dismissive a lot of [weaboos] are of criticism towards Japan.
Can we just accept that Japan is fucking baffling, and not always in a good way? This video is an example of something seemingly innocent that becomes an obsession. That, and Japan objectifies women. Molestation is so common on public transportation that its practically accepted.
Japan just plain old disgusts me. I'm sorry if Japanophiles get all pissy over me being xenophobic, but it isn't like Japan hasn't given me a whole list of reasons to be upset. Their culture is blatantly misogynistic and self-indulgent, and to say it wierds me out is an understatement.[/QUOTE]
You know that the Americans writing the Japanese constitution is what created this right?
[QUOTE=Mastermind of42;48254155]
You are complaining about Japan when our own country is much worse off. It's among the big contenders for child prostitution, only superseded by India, Thailand, Peru, and Brazil.[/QUOTE]
His post flag is American.
Your post flag is American :v:
Are you trying to pull a "What about x" thing?
Japan is getting really really seriously fucked up now. Before it was "dohoho what funny commericals what will those weird fellas think of next"?, now it's like watching that little kid that liked dressing up as an animal, turn into a super hardcore furry.
This culture where there really isn't a whole lot of love going around is seriously upsetting to see. I mean the cuddle cafe apparently you don't do a whole lot, you just pay to sleep with a woman and not say a word. I could never do that without feeling awkward as shit. There has to be SOMETHING going on between me and someone for it to be nice, otherwise I might as well be hugging a fleshy pillow.
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;48253672]japan's culture just confuses the shit out of me, you have all of this formality, honour and shame for family; and then you get weird sexual cartoon shit plastered all over the place[/QUOTE]
unless you go to the literal anime quarantine district you're really not going to be seeing much in the way of any anime shit outside of the manga magazines in convenience stores. at least that's how it was for me when i was there the past 3 weeks, especially in osaka. it really isn't as accepted as the internet would lead you to believe
[editline]20th July 2015[/editline]
the shame element is almost a big reason why people can seem above and beyond far too into it and far tok accepting of shit that should've been stomped out. if you express more than even a passing interest in anime beyond a certain age, you get shamed so hardcore that you either drop it entirely or withdraw completely from the rest of society. yes there are some people who can balance it but it isn't that regular of an occurance afaik. it creates a bit of an echo chamber where they don't have outer society's morals there to get them to think about what they're doing, only other people who are equally as outcast from society.
part of this is why schoolgirls and high school feature so heavily into anime. for one, it is a familiar environment that nearly everyone can relate to in some way, but it is also tapping into that desire that a lot of otakus have to have a better highschool experience, as many feel like they missed out on it so they try to fill the void with anime and other similar things. schoolgirls are an extension of that because of similar reasons.
[editline]20th July 2015[/editline]
its why most characters are highschoolers, most of the people watching are either high schoolers themselves or wish they were
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48253638]I hate how dismissive a lot of [weaboos] are of criticism towards Japan.
Can we just accept that Japan is fucking baffling, and not always in a good way? This video is an example of something seemingly innocent that becomes an obsession. That, and Japan objectifies women. [B]Molestation is so common on public transportation that its practically accepted.[/B]
Japan just plain old disgusts me. I'm sorry if Japanophiles get all pissy over me being xenophobic, but it isn't like Japan hasn't given me a whole list of reasons to be upset. Their culture is blatantly misogynistic and self-indulgent, and to say it wierds me out is an understatement.[/QUOTE]
"Practically accepted"? Molestation is common yes but it's definitely not accepted. Japan look at molesters very strictly and realize it's a big problem. Most of them don't get caught though.　In fact it's extreme to the other direction as well; one guy was falsely accused of molesting a high-school girl on a train, went through countless trials and spent over 2 years(?) in prison because he refused to "confess". There's a movie about it; [URL]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0794350/[/URL]
I highly doubt that molestation and child sex rings are accepted in Japanese culture.
America has alot of mass shootings and gang violence. These are hardly "accepted" by the general populace.
yeah the child porn and public molestation are wild claims, but still doesn't detract from the main subject matter of this thread.
Even I as a young Japanese person despise these practices. I really never saw why people like doing this. It's really gotten out of hand, and it always has been that way, unfortunately. There's a reason why I've stopped going to Akiba.
[QUOTE=Jackald;48259601]I'm curious to get your perspective on it. From what you tend to see, is this stuff widely accepted, is it just kind of ignored? Do politicians speak out against it or is it just kind of brushed under the rug?[/QUOTE]
Well, I'll start off by saying all of this is generally looked down upon by older people. Meanwhile, it seems to me that some younger people (not the majority of young people as I see it, but still a pretty large amount of young people) see it as acceptable for some reason. I have no idea what's going through their minds, but whatever it is, I see it as crazy. I'm not sure if this affects the situation but recently authorities have been cracking down on child porn and enforced stricter laws regarding it. I'm not sure though - that's just what I'm hearing from the media, and as far as I know, the media here is somewhat biased. I haven't heard much about politicians saying anything about this "schoolgirls for sale" situation, either.
It seems to me that this whole schoolgirl thing has become this "train without brakes" - it started out with adult comics, then on the internet with adult games, and now look at it - it's in real life. As mentioned in the video, it's so widespread that it's going to be pretty hard to stop now.
I do spend my time once in a while on a Japanese video site called Niconico, mostly for comedy videos. I do often see weird videos containing adult content in some search results and suggestions, many of which involve underage girls. It's like rule 34 is stronger here than in the U.S.
Back to Akihabara, it's sad to see what that place has turned into, really. Up until about a decade ago, for many decades, it was the kind of place anybody would go to for things like radios, electronics, and more recently and most importantly, computers and computer parts. Now look at it, it's a total pile of shit , at least as I see it.
I like japan outside of all the huge cities. The cars and car culture they have is unparalleled, as well as the scenery. I'd love to go there and just... not be near the cities. I'd like to go to a old garage and hang out.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;48253734]here is a video treating " chinese interns like shit "
[video=youtube;wt__lHCuH5g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt__lHCuH5g[/video][/QUOTE]
sounds like indentured servitude that the US had shortly after the civil war.
[QUOTE=Gordonator;48254097]I know where I'm going for vacation.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what is wrong with this comment?
If it's the norm for them and they don't care about it, they don't fight to change it, then they are okay with it.
Leftist facepunch, accept the fact that different cultures have different values and different views.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48259956]I don't understand what is wrong with this comment?
If it's the norm for them and they don't care about it, they don't fight to change it, then they are okay with it.
Leftist facepunch, accept the fact that different cultures have different values and different views.[/QUOTE]
so what about the misogyny is Saudi Arabia? Should we just accept it and try not to change it because it's part of their culture?
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48259956]I don't understand what is wrong with this comment?
If it's the norm for them and they don't care about it, they don't fight to change it, then they are okay with it.
Leftist facepunch, accept the fact that different cultures have different values and different views.[/QUOTE]
"Culture" isn't immune to criticism, especially if it involves terrible things like HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND EXPLOITATION OF MINORS.
[QUOTE=Fapplejack;48254772]Well to be fair if I was a helpless young girl and there's a soulless group of men who aren't concerned for my well being and using me for their own benefit, ruining my life and emotionally scarring me I'd think I want someone to kill them too.[/QUOTE]
A young girl [I]decides[/I] to sell herself (to do whatever) and if she doesn't like it she's a victim?
Human trafficking (which I've seen discussion of in the video but they don't appear to have found anyone in particular) and clients who disregard agreed terms (i.e. rapists) are another thing, and of course people even getting into the sort of situation where they face starvation if they don't go into prostitution is a problem.
But most of what I see here is girls making the decision to sell themselves to make money. Like any other bloody job, except it involves intimacy.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48255899]It's because nobody tries to excuse the abysmal aspects of those cultures with "but it's tradition"[/QUOTE]
For anyone who didn't get the type of person I was referring to with this post, here's a fine example
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48259956]Leftist facepunch, accept the fact that different cultures have different values and different views.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jackald;48260444]That's not the issue here. If it was women voluntarily having sex for money or high school girls voluntarily just having a chat for money, that'd be okay. It's the risk of a girl signing up for a service where she gives lonely men company, but then being forced or threatened into sexual acts, especially because as a 15 or 16 year old who isn't as able to fend for herself.
tl;dr a young girl [i] decides [/i] to sell herself (to have a chat and do fortune telling) and if she doesn't like being forced into sex she's a victim? Yes. Yes she is.
[editline]21st July 2015[/editline]
I mean I doubt that happens all the time, and this report is very sparse on numeric details apart from that one guy ballparking that 70% of the men engaging in this were perverts looking for sex, but girls being forced into sex happening [i]at all[/i] is bad.
I'm in favor of transparent and regulated prostitution, a la Amsterdam, but that's now what this is.[/QUOTE]
And the video does not differentiate between rape and consensual prostitution. It acts as if every single customer looking for sex does or would indeed force a girl to do it.
One other girl says she's accepted extra money for sex, when the initial terms were "chat and fortune telling". To me that sounds like she had the option to refuse.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;48260546]And the video does not differentiate between rape and consensual prostitution. It acts as if every single customer looking for sex does or would indeed force a girl to do it.
One other girl says she's accepted extra money for sex, when the initial terms were "chat and fortune telling". To me that sounds like she had the option to refuse.[/QUOTE]
When there's this much exploitation involved the definition of "consensual" gets a bit skewed
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;48260546]And the video does not differentiate between rape and consensual prostitution. It acts as if every single customer looking for sex does or would indeed force a girl to do it.
One other girl says she's accepted extra money for sex, when the initial terms were "chat and fortune telling". To me that sounds like she had the option to refuse.[/QUOTE]
Kids aren't equipped to negotiate and have sex with adults. Full stop.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48260579]When there's this much exploitation involved the definition of "consensual" gets a bit skewed[/QUOTE]
And in situations such as this, I think it's best to assume the worst and react accordingly. Ideally the Japanese governent would crack down hard on the entire industry but as it stands that's wishful thinking
[QUOTE=Blazedol;48259971]so what about the misogyny is Saudi Arabia? Should we just accept it and try not to change it because it's part of their culture?[/QUOTE]
So imagine coming into someone's house, seeing that the hot/cold indicators are switched places (red - cold, blue - warm), or that everyone is eating soup with their hands, and shout at them for being dumb as shit?
If they need the change, they will change. If they don't, just don't bother.
[editline]21st July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48260011]"Culture" isn't immune to criticism, especially if it involves terrible things like HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND EXPLOITATION OF MINORS.[/QUOTE]
Criticise all the fuck you want, but just because you say that something is plain wrong doesn't make it wrong in the absolute.
Can you explain why human trafficking and exploitation of minors isn't wrong "in the absolute"?
[editline]22nd July 2015[/editline]
Because I'm pretty sure it's a fucked up thing to do and I don't see anything right with it
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48263057]So imagine coming into someone's house, seeing that the hot/cold indicators are switched places (red - cold, blue - warm), or that everyone is eating soup with their hands, and shout at them for being dumb as shit?
If they need the change, they will change. If they don't, just don't bother.[/QUOTE]
ok but this is way worse than eating soup with your hands
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