Automotive Addicts Lounge V5 - P0306 - General

Why is it for people who pretend to like driving stick? My mom's van has a dual-mass and it feel just like a regular clutch.

I've noticed that the amount of hooning in my area has increased quiiite a bit. But [I]I'm sure[/I] I can't blame the government for placing 24/7 hidden cameras in all the remote-ish car-parks where hoons normally go to when they're dead empty, and thus driving them into the streets. Gotta keep those empty car-parks safe!!!!

[QUOTE=Gulen;51043380]Why is it for people who pretend to like driving stick? My mom's van has a dual-mass and it feel just like a regular clutch.[/QUOTE] Clutch is nice to have for when it's slippery I really like the opticruise with clutch in scanias because it's automatic after you get going but you have manual clutch control if you need to heave yourself for whenever you get stuck Plus clutch down has saved me many times when my shitroen has decided to understeer, clutch down and a little flick and it'll get going where you want it to

Yeah, but it's a clutch though, it's just a different design to a regular clutch, meaning you still have a third pedal that controls the engine-transmission engagement.

Stick is nice to have if the automatic trans is garbage. I used to tow heavy trailer with a automatic volvo xc60 D5 at work and the transmission was always fucking with me. With E250/350 merc had no problems

[QUOTE=Gulen;51043380]Why is it for people who pretend to like driving stick? My mom's van has a dual-mass and it feel just like a regular clutch.[/QUOTE] Dual mass likes to fail far more often than single mass, and you've seen worst case of that now. So it's a "comfort" thing, at the expense of reliability. But I might be a bit bitter regarding them after having to fix so many of them where the friction plate was barely worn.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51042793]Why the fuck would you need a new complete wiring harness[/QUOTE] Something shorted out and fucked the whole thing. Idk, must be an audi thing

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;51044776]Something shorted out and fucked the whole thing. Idk, must be an audi thing[/QUOTE] I won't be surprised if they also replaced the central electronics box too instead of checking if it was configured right in the coding and then working correctly, and I would be laughing if some idiot with a tester flipped a bit in the 'coding' for it so the box went haywire and they replaced it all instead of just reconfiguring the box to default setting. Let's just say I've seen people do what you've mentioned because of what I just mentioned. Most recently someone cocked up the exterior lights on a golf 6 while trying to code the box for "US style" daytime running lights (front indicators constantly on except when used as indicators) by flipping bits.

To be perfectly honest it was probably a lazy dealership thing. Here's an example.. Let's say an anchor point was missed at the factory and now the harness is a little bit close to the block/exhaust/etc. Over time the harness melts and shorts out say.. like 3 wires? They're injector driver wires and now all of a sudden the car won't run, it goes to the dealer, they find that. In the world of dealership repairs, instead of fixing the 3 wires that were melted, sealing up the harness, and safely anchoring it back, they'll hose the customer for an entire engine harness because "it's the right way to do the repair" or some bullshit like that. Dealerships are VERY, VERY shady. If you don't have a car under warranty going to one for repairs is the worst choice you can make.

[QUOTE=clutch2;51045009]To be perfectly honest it was probably a lazy dealership thing. Here's an example.. Let's say an anchor point was missed at the factory and now the harness is a little bit close to the block/exhaust/etc. Over time the harness melts and shorts out say.. like 3 wires? They're injector driver wires and now all of a sudden the car won't run, it goes to the dealer, they find that. In the world of dealership repairs, instead of fixing the 3 wires that were melted, sealing up the harness, and safely anchoring it back, they'll hose the customer for an entire engine harness because "it's the right way to do the repair" or some bullshit like that. Dealerships are VERY, VERY shady. If you don't have a car under warranty going to one for repairs is the worst choice you can make.[/QUOTE] If any dealerships or shops tried that exact scenario here, the "car owners union" ([URL="http://www.fdm.dk"]FDM[/URL]) would make their life hell.

[QUOTE=Gulen;51043380]Why is it for people who pretend to like driving stick? My mom's van has a dual-mass and it feel just like a regular clutch.[/QUOTE] manuals are outdated tech but they are cheap and fun. sequentials dominate on road courses and autos wreck ass in drag racing my favorite transmissions will always be jericho types, where the clutch is just for starting and to change gears you just ram it into gear with all the force your arms can manage

[QUOTE=butre;51045570]manuals are outdated tech but they are cheap and fun. sequentials dominate on road courses and autos wreck ass in drag racing my favorite transmissions will always be jericho types, where the clutch is just for starting and to change gears you just ram it into gear with all the force your arms can manage[/QUOTE] Ain't that what's more commonly known as 'dog box' transmissions, AKA bangshift box?

[QUOTE=Van-man;51045614]Ain't that what's more commonly known as 'dog box' transmissions, AKA bangshift box?[/QUOTE] yep, I'm just using jericho as a genericized trademark. us southerners love genericized trademarks

[QUOTE=butre;51045736]yep, I'm just using jericho as a genericized trademark. us southerners love genericized trademarks[/QUOTE] Only place I've regularly heard drywall refered to as sheetrock even though everyone was too cheap to buy the actual stuff. [editline]13th September 2016[/editline] Confused the hell out of me for my first month and I was really questioning what I knew about southern construction

[QUOTE=butre;51045570]manuals are outdated tech but they are cheap and fun. sequentials dominate on road courses and autos wreck ass in drag racing my favorite transmissions will always be jericho types, where the clutch is just for starting and to change gears you just ram it into gear with all the force your arms can manage[/QUOTE] Sounds to me like you're confusing a dual-[B]mass [I]flywheel[/I][/B] with a dual-[B]clutch [I]transmission[/I][/B]. The latter is a automatic transmission with gears like a manual transmission, with two computer operated clutches (one for the odd gears and one for the even gears), while the former is a option to a regular single-mass flywheel and clutch. The former still has a clutch pedal you use between all gears, and you shift it using a regular H-pattern, the "clutch" just works differently.

Im pretty sure the dual mass clutch on my truck isnt there because its the comfy option. I think its got something to do with the slow as dick torquemontser diesel and low gearing.

CVT on Diesel we can doooo thissssss [editline]fgfdg[/editline] Or maybe not. Would eliminate engine breaking goodness braping.

[QUOTE=Gulen;51045833]Sounds to me like you're confusing a dual-[B]mass [I]flywheel[/I][/B] with a dual-[B]clutch [I]transmission[/I][/B]. The latter is a automatic transmission with gears like a manual transmission, with two computer operated clutches (one for the odd gears and one for the even gears), while the former is a option to a regular single-mass flywheel and clutch. The former still has a clutch pedal you use between all gears, and you shift it using a regular H-pattern, the "clutch" just works differently.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about the clutch or flywheel, I'm talking about the gearbox itself. look up jericho racing transmissions my post was sort of a tangent just about how I feel about manuals and what kind of transmission I have the most fun driving

[QUOTE=Gulen;51045833]Sounds to me like you're confusing a dual-[B]mass [I]flywheel[/I][/B] with a dual-[B]clutch [I]transmission[/I][/B]. The latter is a automatic transmission with gears like a manual transmission, with two computer operated clutches (one for the odd gears and one for the even gears), while the former is a option to a regular single-mass flywheel and clutch. The former still has a clutch pedal you use between all gears, and you shift it using a regular H-pattern, the "clutch" just works differently.[/QUOTE] In all cases I know of, the springs responsible for a smooth engagement of the clutch is moved from the friction disc to the flywheel (and in some cases to the pressure plate too, depending on exact type) BUT that means if those dampening springs starts to fail, it isn't enough to replace the cheaper friction disc and pressure plate (or just the friction disc if you're ghetto), but now the much more expensive "dampened" flywheel has to be replaced, along with pressure plate. So it isn't just less reliable due to its complexity, it's also much more expensive. I can safely say the day I feel my clutch "juddering" like those springs are failing, I'm buying a single-mass clutch kit. I can easily live with a slightly less 'forgiving' clutch if that means it can take a beating.

alright boys i just got my first ever botched maintenance story (ive done my own oil changes before, but never anything more than that) i just started riding my bike yesterday, and my buddy said that the chain was looking a little dirty, so we should go ahead and tighten it up and clean it. so last night around 7 i took it over to his house, and we started cleaning the chain. that went alright, and we moved on to tightening. we tightened the drive side fine, but then it happened. my buddy moved over to the other side to tighten the brake side, and i looked away to pick up the cans of lube we'd used for the chain. as i turn around, i hear a small [I]ping[/I] sound, and as i turn back, i just see my buddy holding half of the bolt used for tightening in his hand, with the other half completely sheared off inside the end of the swing arm. we inspect it, and we decide that we're going to half to replace the bolt, but to get it off, we figured we would have to take off the rear wheel. so we did. we spent 30 minutes taking off the rear wheel, getting the tightening brackets off, and then trying to figure out how to remove the bolt, of which we tried everything. we tried drilling the bolt out, hitting it with vise grips, a blowtorch, but nothing worked, it was in there good. then, we texted his dad, asking for ideas. his first sentence was 'did you remove the locking nut?' ...locking nut? well, we looked, and a tiny little nut on the end of the tightening bracket that we thought was welded on, actually wasn't. and removing the nut caused the bolts to fall out easily. in fact, we could have removed the nut and bolts without even touching the rear wheels. and i guess that's my story about how a simple 20 minute maintenance procedure on my bike turned in to 2 hours of searching for different tools and using lots of WD40.

[QUOTE=Van-man;51045614]Ain't that what's more commonly known as 'dog box' transmissions, AKA bangshift box?[/QUOTE] They're dog cut transmissions. Dog Box is a brand, just like Jericho is a brand that makes them. They use heavy grooves and cuts without synchros to make the selection between gears faster at the expense of noise. They're also a lot more clunky feeling, so most street drivers would hate them. NASCAR uses them exclusively for reliability and speed. You can still double-clutch them at low speeds easily, and some you can single-clutch with no problems. They're pretty nice for when you want to get on the go pedal hard, you just flick your foot off and snap it in gear and you're on your way once you get off the start line.

Here's more Celica stuffs for you guys. Yesterday was dropping the trans out quick, was nice and easy. [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/A73D9FDE-3575-4703-8E9A-DF78ACA3D014_zps0m4d5r6f.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/A73D9FDE-3575-4703-8E9A-DF78ACA3D014_zps0m4d5r6f.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1EB74956-A4B3-427B-AC7F-CA514D39ECC6_zpsptsigntq.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/1EB74956-A4B3-427B-AC7F-CA514D39ECC6_zpsptsigntq.jpg[/IMG][/URL] And since the beater had the nice engine mount damper mount on the subframe, I decided to swap them. As it turned out, one was bent where the control arm connect. But I smashed it a couple times with a hammer and it was as straight as the good one. Lol. Here's before the bending. [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/BC354A81-5E8A-4020-8B85-B21A2353DD0B_zpstufk48uy.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/BC354A81-5E8A-4020-8B85-B21A2353DD0B_zpstufk48uy.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Here's a little more rot, no big deal. [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/E75B412F-E535-4CBD-A9E7-453B7340481D_zpsm2xuthjv.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/E75B412F-E535-4CBD-A9E7-453B7340481D_zpsm2xuthjv.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Then we pushed the beater to the side of the garage where it will.. honestly probably wait to die :( Here's my roommate's Shiba on the hood, thought it was pretty JDM as stuff. [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/A6384CF8-E685-41AD-AC72-7F35A71D293A_zpsdxpyysyo.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/A6384CF8-E685-41AD-AC72-7F35A71D293A_zpsdxpyysyo.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Upstairs neighbor's old Hilux and my 22R waiting for something to do. [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C781A03B-C101-4B35-B36E-4BE1FA61517D_zpsvtm5wyod.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/C781A03B-C101-4B35-B36E-4BE1FA61517D_zpsvtm5wyod.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Pressure washing time.. did the bay and undercarriage. Much, much better. I'm feeling really good about how clean it is. 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That's a problem for another day, tonight we decided to take a look into the engines. Started with the 20R out of the '78 that the previous owner "had running but the headgasket blew or something." Pop off the valve cover, unleash the stench of black satan oil crud. [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/842A01FA-C4B5-469B-80E2-955BE1D7EE5D_zpschrxnzry.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/842A01FA-C4B5-469B-80E2-955BE1D7EE5D_zpschrxnzry.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Remove head. Unleash piston with a hole in the top. Heh. [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/997F9B2C-30C9-4661-9F84-6C9F218FEA85_zpstk6ngr0w.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/997F9B2C-30C9-4661-9F84-6C9F218FEA85_zpstk6ngr0w.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Sigh so I kept tearing down just for fun. Here's one of the spark plug holes, with absolutely ruined threads. [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/5898E917-08F0-4976-A1CC-0820ABB1205E_zpsmpq4iuec.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/5898E917-08F0-4976-A1CC-0820ABB1205E_zpsmpq4iuec.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Then we have this.. a tube that goes into a water jacket that had one hole ruined on it. Looks like the bolt broke, they tried to drill it out, failed, and then welded on some weird thing to 'hold it.' [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F7FF24DF-5C27-4899-83A1-819CF2B49638_zpszzfdpwvq.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/F7FF24DF-5C27-4899-83A1-819CF2B49638_zpszzfdpwvq.jpg[/IMG][/img] So the 20R needs a full rebuild if we want to do anything with it.. which I don't now, LOL. No hybrid 22R with 20R head, either. We'll use the 22R from what it looks like. We pulled the clutch off the 22R next and the flywheel has a little crack in it. That's as far as I got! Oh, and here's the NSX, waiting for a new front badge and then it'll be ready to go again, too. [URL=http://s465.photobucket.com/user/isaact1234/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DAF48570-9BF4-466A-8CA0-658D193DD6AC_zpsmo4gmmpw.jpg.html][IMG]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/isaact1234/Mobile%20Uploads/DAF48570-9BF4-466A-8CA0-658D193DD6AC_zpsmo4gmmpw.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Are you thinking about other rims for the NSX? Don't get me wrong, I love a stock JDM car as they're rare as fuck these days, but rims are easily swappable.

[QUOTE=Van-man;51046054]In all cases I know of, the springs responsible for a smooth engagement of the clutch is moved from the friction disc to the flywheel (and in some cases to the pressure plate too, depending on exact type) BUT that means if those dampening springs starts to fail, it isn't enough to replace the cheaper friction disc and pressure plate (or just the friction disc if you're ghetto), but now the much more expensive "dampened" flywheel has to be replaced, along with pressure plate. So it isn't just less reliable due to its complexity, it's also much more expensive. I can safely say the day I feel my clutch "juddering" like those springs are failing, I'm buying a single-mass clutch kit. I can easily live with a slightly less 'forgiving' clutch if that means it can take a beating.[/QUOTE] Tell me about it. I was quoted $1500 to replace the one in my mom's van. At first I thought it had it because of the high torque, but then I found out it only makes 10 more Nms than my Saab... Hopefully a single mass conversion is cheaper.

I drove a Tesla Model S P90D yesterday. I think I'm in love. It was amazing. That acceleration!! Saving up the deposit as we speak...

I'm going on a test drive in the new Alfa Romeo Giulia Friday next week :joy:

[QUOTE=Ferosso;51048742]Are you thinking about other rims for the NSX? Don't get me wrong, I love a stock JDM car as they're rare as fuck these days, but rims are easily swappable.[/QUOTE] I would LOVE a set of BBS LM reps, I was looking at / in the process of getting a set of Linea Corse Lemans but the ding dong company got me up to the point where they were going to verify they could get the exact sizes/offsets I wanted cut, and then I would send the deposit, and then they just fell off the earth. So I set that on the back burner, haha. It sucks because I spent legit like a year researching, deciding on sizes, tires, offset, everything. Then that happened. And it was like, ok back to square one. I'll skip it for now.

[QUOTE=matthaios;51050422]I'm going on a test drive in the new Alfa Romeo Giulia Friday next week :joy:[/QUOTE] which engine?

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51050546]which engine?[/QUOTE] No clue, probably a diesel. It's a test drive at a car show and all I know is that it's a Giulia.

Is it me or do Elio seem closer than ever to actually going in to production and becoming a thing? Check out their website, less than 7,000 reservations still available. I think I read 2017 is the goal for production. Also, interesting potential upgrade/alternative for ICEs: [video=youtube;OVWZFdb_AGc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVWZFdb_AGc[/video]