Republicans, explain yourselves! - General

I've felt the same way - but about Conservatism. Everything that I've learned about everything just tells me that Conservatives are evil, and have absolutely no integrity. I'd like to believe I'm VERY integral. I don't believe in God because of my integrity - I challenged my belief in it (when I was twelve or so) and came to the conclusion that the [i]good[/i] thing to do is to not believe in God. I've always challenged my point of view, but I always come to the conclusion that Liberalism does the most good. I have little problems with Republicans, it's just that they think that less taxes will help people in a different way (trickle all over me), and I think the best way would be to help people through the government. Even if you just look at it broadly, you see that rich Republicans throw their money at things to make dumb people vote Republican for religious reasons, so that they get tax cuts. Even if you believe in God and all that, which I really have no problem with, this is exploiting religion for money. Everything I see that's super right wing people are just crazy. I'd really love if an intelligent conservative would show me corruption in a liberal, or a very moderate conservative who's reasonable, or just to challenge my beliefs in a logical way.

It's because republicans don't trust the government, they think the government will spend their money carelessly, which they sometimes do. [editline]20th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Shadaez;26171500] I'd really love if an intelligent conservative would show me corruption in a liberal[/quote] I am not conservative but: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal[/url] [quote]or a very moderate conservative who's reasonable,[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul[/url], probably the most reasonable GOP you will find sadly. [quote] or just to challenge my beliefs in a logical way.[/QUOTE] You have to find people around you to do this, this forum is very left wing. [editline]20th November 2010[/editline] Also, you should really consult some christians or other religious people before deciding on atheism. I've already decided on agnosticism, but you're just as bad as them if you won't even listen to what they're saying.

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[QUOTE=Detective P;26169112] Belief in self regulation of the free market and the fact that compared to the 20s, 30s, and 40s, exploitation in the economy is far lower, and they find these regulations too restricting and unnecessary. [/QUOTE] Self regulation of the free market is some sort of oxymoron. Businesses will try to make as much money as they can, if they regulate themselves, they won't give a FUCK about ANYONE. Every developed country will turn to china and the rich will just get rich while the poor get poorer.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26171636]It's because republicans don't trust the government, they think the government will spend their money carelessly, which they sometimes do. [editline]20th November 2010[/editline] I am not conservative but: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul[/url], probably the most reasonable GOP you will find sadly. You have to find people around you to do this, this forum is very left wing. [editline]20th November 2010[/editline] Also, you should really consult some christians or other religious people before deciding on atheism. I've already decided on agnosticism, but you're just as bad as them if you won't even listen to what they're saying.[/QUOTE] I've been atheistic for a long time now. Why would I consult a religious person before turning atheist? The entire idea is pretty dumb, to me.

[QUOTE=JLea;26169988]Drag the rich into streets and shoot them imo[/QUOTE] Maybe shoot the person who gets money off of TV yes. Shoot the person who actually built there company ground up, no.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;26171985]I've been atheistic for a long time now. Why would I consult a religious person before turning atheist? The entire idea is pretty dumb, to me.[/QUOTE] Because that's just like a Christian saying they aren't going to consult science before believing in god. If you don't ask them what they're about, you have no idea what you're denying, and basically all you're doing is putting your fingers in your ears and yelling for the "crazy religious people" to go away. Living in a state of denial, etc.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26171875]Self regulation of the free market is some sort of oxymoron. Businesses will try to make as much money as they can, if they regulate themselves, they won't give a FUCK about ANYONE. Every developed country will turn to china and the rich will just get rich while the poor get poorer.[/QUOTE] The Better Business Bureau is a perfect example of private regulation.

[QUOTE=sgman91;26172089]The Better Business Bureau is a perfect example of private regulation.[/QUOTE] Really doesn't mean much as companies can simply ignore non legislative regulations.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26172031]Because that's just like a Christian saying they aren't going to consult science before believing in god. If you don't ask them what they're about, you have no idea what you're denying, and basically all you're doing is putting your fingers in your ears and yelling for the "crazy religious people" to go away. Living in a state of denial, etc.[/QUOTE] So, one should learn about everything that they deny? Should I go learn about Hinduism, Islam, somethingelse, before I should say I don't believe in a God? I know what a God is, and in any form it is a stupid concept. p dumb. I do know a lot about Christian beliefs, though, and my morals are pretty Christian. And what does consulting in science have to do with believing in God? Nothing. [editline]19th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;26172089]The Better Business Bureau is a perfect example of private regulation.[/QUOTE] are you serious? BBB is, and has been a terrible thing that should go away.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26172110]Really doesn't mean much as companies can simply ignore non legislative regulations.[/QUOTE] If they ignore it they lose tons of business. Its basically impossible to have a functioning business without having a semi good grade by the BBB.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;26172111]So, one should learn about everything that they deny? Should I go learn about Hinduism, Islam, somethingelse, before I should say I don't believe in a God? I know what a God is, and in any form it is a stupid concept. p dumb. I do know a lot about Christian beliefs, though, and my morals are pretty Christian. And what does consulting in science have to do with believing in God? Nothing.[/QUOTE] What's one of the only thing that has consistently disproven what organized religion has said in the last couple thousand years? Science. And yes, you shouldn't just assume they are all wrong without knowing anything about them. You are just being ignorant. [editline]20th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;26172121]If they ignore it they lose tons of business. Its basically impossible to have a functioning business without having a semi good grade by the BBB.[/QUOTE] The first business I look up, one of the most popular businesses around the world, coca cola company, is somehow a "BBB accredited business", yet it has no rating. Did I mention it's one of the biggest businesses in the world?

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26172031]Because that's just like a Christian saying they aren't going to consult science before believing in god. If you don't ask them what they're about, you have no idea what you're denying, and basically all you're doing is putting your fingers in your ears and yelling for the "crazy religious people" to go away. Living in a state of denial, etc.[/QUOTE] but science is something you should be involved in, its just plane logic that you should follow something that has the highest chance of being right

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26172162]but science is something you should be involved in, its just plane logic that you should follow something that has the highest chance of being right[/QUOTE] But science hasn't disproven God. Which is the point.

So I need to go on a journey learning about every single theistic religion that's ever been believed in before I can say that I do not believe there is a God? (Hyperbole, I know.) And science doesn't disprove that a God exists. I'm not even sure what a conservative is any more.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26172169]But science hasn't disproven God. Which is the point.[/QUOTE] Well its proved that you should not believe in it because something without proof is illogical to believe in

[QUOTE=Shadaez;26172200]So I need to go on a journey learning about every single theistic religion that's ever been believed in before I can say that I do not believe there is a God? (Hyperbole, I know.) And science doesn't disprove that a God exists. I'm not even sure what a conservative is any more.[/QUOTE] Or at least talk to SOME people. I think you'll realize most religious people aren't totally insane.

[QUOTE=magicman1234;26170599]Is it very fair to get our hard-earned money taken away and given to people that don't have jobs?[/QUOTE] Ever heard the term working poor? Or poverty cycle? All that idealistic bullshit Republicans spew out about free enterprise evaporates the minute you have an uneven playing field. Also, the trickle down theory is bullshit. The rich statistically spend a far lower percent of their income on commodities. And without a greater demand for a product companies have no obligation to spend the extra money they saved from tax cuts by hiring new employees.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26172206]Well its proved that you should not believe in it because something without proof is illogical to believe in[/QUOTE] It can't be proven or disproven, so it's a mute point. You could also say that religious texts are proof of God's existence, but that might be stretching the truth a bit.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26172217]Or at least talk to SOME people. I think you'll realize most religious people aren't totally insane.[/QUOTE] I didn't say they were. I don't have a problem with religion, I just am not a believer. I've said before that it can be a positive (or negative!) influence on a community.

True true. I hope you realize I mostly agree with you I just think that a lot of atheists on this forum need to actually have evidence to draw their conclusions, and not just talk other people's ideas and use them as their own.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26172230]It can't be proven or disproven, so it's a mute point. You could also say that religious texts are proof of God's existence, but that might be stretching the truth a bit.[/QUOTE] yea and thats my point, you should not believe in something without proof so believing in god is illogical

Were you dropped as a child?

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26172283]yea and thats my point, you should not believe in something without proof so believing in god is illogical[/QUOTE] The idea is that it's impossible for people to prove it, as it's unprovable with today's technology. I could go back 500 years and tell people about the internet and they wouldn't believe me, even though it's true. This argument goes both ways.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26172283]yea and thats my point, you should not believe in something without proof so believing in god is illogical[/QUOTE] quit being so silly, you!

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;26169336] WHY do you want higher taxes for EVERYONE? [/QUOTE] because everyone sucks [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;26169336]WHY do you want the middle class to die FROM TAX OVERLOAD?[/QUOTE] that's just the same question as before except more annoying [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;26169336]WHY do you insist on REFUSING to think outside of your own Socialist utopia when trying to reach compromise with Republicans and elect to not even bother, then complain about how "WAHHHH REPUBLICANS R BULLIES THEY REFUSED TO LET US PASS SOCIALIST HELATHCARE REFORM!!!!!!!!!!"[/QUOTE] because i hate you [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;26169336]WHY do you hate guns so much?[/QUOTE] they're annoying and loud [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;26169336]WHY do you hate NRA members?[/QUOTE] smelly and overweight [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;26169336]WHY are you so politically correct?[/QUOTE] because we know how to party baby, gays know how to party [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;26169336]WHY do you insist on regulating EVERYTHING and TAKING OVER COMPANIES?[/QUOTE] because i hate comcast [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;26169336]WHY do you keep insisting that FDR ended WWII?[/QUOTE] because he won three times

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[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26172305]The idea is that it's impossible for people to prove it, as it's unprovable with today's technology. I could go back 500 years and tell people about the internet and they wouldn't believe me, even though it's true. This argument goes both ways.[/QUOTE] well first off the internet does not contradict and law of nature and 2nd your right if you had no proof that you were from the future they would have no reason and should not believe you unless you could explain exactly how you did it

[b]WHY do you want lower taxes for the top 2%? [/b] I believe that by lowering taxes you encourage business and that helps the economy. [b]WHY do you want poor people to die painfully?[/b] I do not want them to die painfully, where did you get that idea? [b]WHY do you hate gays so much?[/b] The party is split by the issue; I personally do not like gays because of my protestant roots. [b]WHY do you complain about how people are trying to steal your freedoms, yet you try to enforce your own systems of morality on other people by outlawing gay marriage, abortion, and illegalizing marijuana?[/b] Alot of conservatives (in the USA) have protestant beliefs, so social decency is important to us. [b]WHY do you hate muslims[/b] We hate terrorists, not muslims. [b]WHY are you so racist?[/b] [b]WHY do you insist on getting rid of the regulations that the US put in place when we were in a time of economic exploitation?[/b] Encourage business to thrive = Good economy. [b]WHY do you hate workers unions that work for the betterment of the working class?[/b] Unions put alot of pressure on big business.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26172363]well first off the internet does not contradict and law of nature and 2nd your right if you had no proof that you were from the future they would have no reason and should not believe you unless you could explain exactly how you did it[/QUOTE] It contradicted what they knew about the laws of nature back then. That's the point.