Kwanzaa: The Communist Holiday. - General

Oh god oh fuck oh no not COMMUNISM fucking kill those reds.

Religion thread, here we go.

The most we learned about Kwanzaa was when it was founded and why, but never what it involved or who celebrated it. It was mentioned like twice in my whole school career. Holidays weren't much mentioned at all really. We did talk about Ramadaan and Christmas when going through world cultures, histories and religions. Anyhow, it's not communist, it's unity and community, which makes sense since it was formed around the black community and society, love for one another as a race, and to act as if you were of a family. If that's communist then so is most every church of every religion, most every cultures outside the west and alot of other everyday things.

I've never really known too much about Kawnzza. It seems like a fake holiday to me.

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19197210]It's a flawed system. [/QUOTE] First, I don't want to get into a communist debate, but so is every system. Second, Kwanzaa isn't communist. Third, Kwanzaa isn't a system, it's a practiced holiday.

[QUOTE=Detective P;19197318]The most we learned about Kwanzaa was when it was founded and why, but never what it involved or who celebrated it. It was mentioned like twice in my whole school career. Holidays weren't much mentioned at all really. We did talk about Ramadaan and Christmas when going through world cultures, histories and religions. Anyhow, it's not communist, it's unity and community, which makes sense since it was formed around the black community and society, love for one another as a race, and to act as if you were of a family. If that's communist then so is most every church of every religion, most every cultures outside the west and alot of other everyday things.[/QUOTE] The founder was a marxist and directly applied his ideas to Kwanzaa.

[QUOTE=Detective P;19197318] If that's communist then so is most every church of every religion, most every cultures outside the west and alot of other everyday things.[/QUOTE] You are correct sir, all those things promote the supposed virtue of Altruism, however most of them are too hypocritic to embrace it fully.

Cheesemonkey: The guy who consistently sounds like a 16-year-old who wants to come off as knowledgeable but actually just sounds like a complete dumbass. You have no idea what you're talking about; you never do. Communist? Do you know what communism is or did you just hear some guy say it was flawed and then look at a wiki article or two? Seriously? At first I thought you were joking, but you're cheesemonkey so obviously I was wrong. Also, just because something has a slight communist bent doesn't make it communist. How many communists celebrate Kwanzaa?

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19197371]The founder was a marxist and directly applied his ideas to Kwanzaa.[/QUOTE] *gasp* Someone borrowing the good aspects of something, in a primarily metaphorical, minor amount, and using them in a holiday, for 7 days out of the year, to produce no gain, is BAD!?

Sounds tangible and worth celebrating.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;19196991]Dead serious. [url]http://filesmelt.com/downloader/atheists.jpg[/url] "Hardline Muslims barged into a high-rise building housing the Danish Embassy on Friday to protest the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, then tore down and burned the country's white and red flag. The rowdy protest by about 70 people was one of the first in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, against the 12 cartoons that first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September. They were reprinted in several other European newspapers this week in a gesture of press freedom. " I could get a better source, but meh. Google. [/QUOTE] Yeah I guess this is proof that it always happens :downs: Don't tell me the blacks never went on riots/protests against racism and the such ever.

[QUOTE=Epidemick;19197600]Yeah I guess this is proof that it always happens :downs: Don't tell me the blacks never went on riots/protests against racism and the such ever.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying Blacks won't, I'm just saying that if white people ever say anything like that about any minority of any kind, there's a huge shitstorm inbound. This was just the first example that sprung into my head.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;19196832]Hohohoho. Imagine if a white man said the same thing about about, for example, Islam.[/QUOTE] They'd blow up some skyscrap- oh wait.

[QUOTE=Detective P;19197472]*gasp* Someone borrowing the good aspects of something, in a primarily metaphorical, minor amount, and using them in a holiday, for 7 days out of the year, to produce no gain, is BAD!?[/QUOTE] I think you're forgetting that the holiday was created because the founder hates white people and doesn't want his people to celibrate whitey's holiday. [QUOTE=Slasha00;19197451]Cheesemonkey: The guy who consistently sounds like a 16-year-old who wants to come off as knowledgeable but actually just sounds like a complete dumbass. You have no idea what you're talking about; you never do. Communist? Do you know what communism is or did you just hear some guy say it was flawed and then look at a wiki article or two? Seriously? At first I thought you were joking, but you're cheesemonkey so obviously I was wrong. Also, just because something has a slight communist bent doesn't make it communist. How many communists celebrate Kwanzaa?[/QUOTE] I think what you say would have a little bit more impact if what you said made any sense.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;19197200]What? [editline]07:07PM[/editline] Brain drain.[/QUOTE] "Hm I'm getting into an argument, I should pull out a motivator to support myself! That will show them my clever wit!" It was also completely out of place, we weren't even talking about atheism. I mean sure if you pulled some quote that shows the violent tendencies in religion then it would make at least a bit of sense, but bringing some atheist thing out of nowhere is just dumb

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19197722]I think you're forgetting that the holiday was created because the founder hates white people and doesn't want his people to celibrate whitey's holiday. I think what you say would have a little bit more impact if what you said made any sense.[/QUOTE] Then what's the problem? So what? Let them. No one gives a shit if the holiday was started by a racist, which racism, I'll remind you, is 100% anti-communist. I mean, who cares. Jews don't want to celebrate Christian holidays, Muslims don't want to celebrate Jewish holiday, etc etc. They have a right to celebrate whatever the hell they want. And hell, just because it was founded by someone doesn't mean it holds up to their actions and beliefs now. Look at Yule, or more or less modern Christmas. You still cut down a tree and string it with light, but when was the last time you sacrificed someone for Yule/Christmas? [editline]06:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19197722] I think what you say would have a little bit more impact if what you said made any sense.[/QUOTE] Makes perfect sense.

Communalism =/= communism

[QUOTE=Conscript;19197854]Communalism =/= communism[/QUOTE] marx =/= communism [QUOTE=Detective P;19197825]Then what's the problem? So what? Let them. No one gives a shit if the holiday was started by a racist, which racism, I'll remind you, is 100% anti-communist. I mean, who cares. Jews don't want to celebrate Christian holidays, Muslims don't want to celebrate Jewish holiday, etc etc. They have a right to celebrate whatever the hell they want. And hell, just because it was founded by someone doesn't mean it holds up to their actions and beliefs now. Look at Yule, or more or less modern Christmas. You still cut down a tree and string it with light, but when was the last time you sacrificed someone for Yule/Christmas? [editline]06:45PM[/editline] Makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE] Except Kwanzaa isn't a religious holiday. The difference between this and old christmas is that this was created 50 years ago by a complete nut and christmas is an ancient tradition. Comparing the two as the same or even on the same playing field is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19197879]marx =/= communism[/QUOTE] that doesn't make sense because marx developed the theories that envisioned communism. it's an end and marxism is the means. they are connected

I was mocking you. But while it's not up front a communist holiday the very core of the holiday is a direct copy from marx's ideas, and that's hardly something to overlook. And I like how people are arguing over the communist part while ignoring the fact that the holiday was created because of a hatred of your skin color and holiday traditions, and ignoring the fact that the core of the holiday is bullshit in itself. Who the fuck is harvesting in late december?

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19197879]marx =/= communism Except Kwanzaa isn't a religious holiday. The difference between this and old christmas is that this was created 50 years ago by a complete nut and christmas is an ancient tradition. Comparing the two as the same or even on the same playing field is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] No it's not, it's a holiday, celebrate by a select group to commemorate, celebrate, or remember a certain event, people, belief, system, or heritage, just like every other holiday. Simply because it's not a religious holiday does not mean it shouldn't be compared, since it's used, as you said yourself, in alternative to other holidays. It celebrates the black people, their heritage, etc etc, and because it promotes things like sharing, community well being, friendship, brotherhood, etc etc, it's bad. You know, I'm fairly certain that all of those things are promoted by the modern Christian church aswell. At one point Christmas wasn't an ancient tradition, and you're an idiot if you say Yule/Christmas wasn't created by a nut, either.

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19197981]I was mocking you. But while it's not up front a communist holiday the very core of the holiday is a direct copy from marx's ideas, and that's hardly something to overlook. And I like how people are arguing over the communist part while ignoring the fact that the holiday was created because of a hatred of your skin color and holiday traditions, and ignoring the fact that the core of the holiday is bullshit in itself. Who the fuck is harvesting in late december?[/QUOTE] people in africa? they have a different climate. also islam has a lot of communal ideas. is it a copy of marxism?

[QUOTE=deltasquid;19196832]Hohohoho. Imagine if a white man said the same thing about about, for example, Islam.[/QUOTE] Allah is psychotic, and Islam was a black religion that white people shun.

[QUOTE=Detective P;19197989]No it's not, it's a holiday, celebrate by a select group to commemorate, celebrate, or remember a certain event, people, belief, system, or heritage, just like every other holiday. Simply because it's not a religious holiday does not mean it shouldn't be compared, since it's used, as you said yourself, in alternative to other holidays. It celebrates the black people, their heritage, etc etc, and because it promotes things like sharing, community well being, friendship, brotherhood, etc etc, it's bad. You know, I'm fairly certain that all of those things are promoted by the modern Christian church aswell. At one point Christmas wasn't an ancient tradition, and you're an idiot if you say Yule/Christmas wasn't created by a nut, either.[/QUOTE] It celebrates black heritage in the most rudimentary, and almost condescending, manner. Hell, the name is in Swahili and that wasn't spoken in the region where the slaves were taken, and most black people in regions of america are descendants of slaves. The whole purpose of the holiday wasn't to celebrate those things, it was to give society the middle finger so some revolutionaries could have their own special holiday. And why don't I go out and make a holiday about sharing, community well being, friendship, brotherhood for the Aryan race? Christmas is celebrated by unworthy people, we can't celebrate it.

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19198119]It celebrates black heritage in the most rudimentary, and almost condescending, manner. Hell, the name is in Swahili and that wasn't spoken in the region where the slaves were taken, and most black people in regions of america are descendants of slaves. The whole purpose of the holiday wasn't to celebrate those things, it was to give society the middle finger so some revolutionaries could have their own special holiday.[/quote] It celebrates african heritage, and that's why it incorporates african culture. also the revolutionaries have their own special holiday. it's called 'may day' [QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19198119]And why don't I go out and make a holiday about sharing, community well being, friendship, brotherhood for the Aryan race? We'll take the base of the holiday from Mein Kampf. It's the same concept.[/QUOTE] lol no it's not. one is hate the other is union

[QUOTE=Conscript;19198232]It celebrates african heritage, and that's why it incorporates african culture. also the revolutionaries have their own special holiday. it's called 'may day' lol no it's not. one is hate the other is union[/QUOTE] I reworded my post to not suck, so i'll let you rebut on that. But Kwanzaa is union made out of hate. Hatred of white people to unite the black people. And may day is not about revolution, it's both a pagan holiday and a holiday celebrating worker's rights.

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19198283]I reworded my post to not suck, so i'll let you rebut on that. But Kwanzaa is union made out of hate. Hatred of white people to unite the black people.[/QUOTE] hatred has nothing to do with kwanzaa, being poor, black, and discriminated does. it's that prevalent condition of blacks that is what they are to be united by. also this was created back in the 60's you know. it pretty much has everything to do with racism back then and it hardly even exists today also may day is pretty much the day people celebrate internationalism and socialism. that's why there's more red flags then signs saying 'hooray workers' rights'

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;19197788]"Hm I'm getting into an argument, I should pull out a motivator to support myself! That will show them my clever wit!" It was also completely out of place, we weren't even talking about atheism. I mean sure if you pulled some quote that shows the violent tendencies in religion then it would make at least a bit of sense, but bringing some atheist thing out of nowhere is just dumb[/QUOTE] FUCK I still had that copied for the LMAO pics thread! Let me get the real link quick.

[QUOTE=Conscript;19198346]hatred has nothing to do with kwanzaa, being poor, black, and discriminated does. it's that prevalent condition of blacks that is what they are to be united by. also this was created back in the 60's you know. it pretty much has everything to do with racism back then and it hardly even exists today also may day is pretty much the day people celebrate internationalism and socialism. that's why there's more red flags then signs saying 'hooray workers' rights'[/QUOTE] "Jesus was psychotic, and that Christianity was a white religion that black people should shun"

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;19198520]"Jesus was psychotic, and that Christianity was a white religion that black people should shun"[/QUOTE] A line of a Ron Karenga very early into creating the religion that was dropped soon after it became mainstream