I've talked with my dad about stuff and we share a lot of the same ideas about stuff...
I think psychedelics just allow us to really "realize" what we understand already, then expand on that
but they can also make us feel like these realizations are so huge that you must be the only one who's had them
any logical person would realize this, we're all the fuckin same give or take, there are some defective ones but the average person will know as much as, you guessed it, the average person
and what really seperates you from the average person? doing drugs doesn't really count, most of the people around you probably do or have done drugs before, if you want to include things like caffeine well, look how many people are fuelled by em
just because you alter your own mind doesn't put you at a higher position than any other member of society, if anything it would put you into a lower position as you could end up being the one that doesn't fit in.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;37866651]I find this notion that we understand how things really work so much better than all these sheep around us to be incredibly arrogant.[/QUOTE]
same here, almost everyone actually realizes that they are in the system and many are content with that so what would make someone not content with the system any better? There was actually a massive thread on blue light about this druggie issue and almost everyone hated the kinda psychedelic superiority some people get so please realise most drug users hate that kinda attitude as well.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;37829273]True story: The universe is the only device which can calculate the motions of all particles. If a computer existed within the universe that could predict the motions of all particles, neither the universe nor the computer would be able to predict the motion of the other one.[/QUOTE]
That is quite hypothetical.
I'm gunna go on one.
I think the meaning of life is to stop thinking about the meaning of life...
Ego death is lack of thought, meditation brings about ego death via not thinking any thoughts, you are the silence behind your ego. All that exists is the now moment there is no past or future. The whole idea is to sit in the now and experience life rather than waste your life thinking about life. Simple as that, I can go deep but I choose not to. Because I'd be wasting my time thinking about life when I could be having a rinseout!
All meditation is supposed to do is help you monitor your own thoughts, realize when you are wasting your life with a bad or irrelevant thought and cut it out. All this ascension and new age shit I hate to say it really pisses me off. It's much simpler than that.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37870276]That is quite hypothetical.[/QUOTE]
If by "hypothesis" you mean "thing that has been proven true" then I agree.
[url]http://arxiv.org/pdf/0708.1362v2.pdf[/url]
If there is anything I've learnt about facepunch, its that JohnnyMo1 normally always has evidence for the things he says :v:
i believe we all experience time a little bit differently than each other
and that everyone should consider the earth a living thing because plants are the earth and if therye considered alive then why isnst the earth considered a living thing
[QUOTE=pancaker94;37878267]i believe we all experience time a little bit differently than each other
and that everyone should consider the earth a living thing because plants are the earth and if therye considered alive then why isnst the earth considered a living thing[/QUOTE]
Because plants just live on earth, earth is the ground man.
[QUOTE=pancaker94;37878267]i believe we all experience time a little bit differently than each other
and that everyone should consider the earth a living thing because plants are the earth and if therye considered alive then why isnst the earth considered a living thing[/QUOTE]
plants aren't the earth
and the earth cannot die therefore it is not alive
only living things have the privilege of dying
I've been thinking this through and so far this is what I got.
Everyone has a different point of view of certain stuff whether it's big or small. It can range from people's looks to if the food you were served was good or not. Everyone is unique in their own way. When people say they feel exactly what you are feeling, that is a under reaction. They only feel partially of what you feel but will never understand your position. That piece of paper on the ground may not have any importance to you, but to another that might as well be a treasure map. That double rainbow may be the most beautiful and peaceful thing you have seen, but to another person it's just light coming off of the water droplets.
no shit :v:
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37878846]plants aren't the earth
and the earth cannot die therefore it is not alive
only living things have the privilege of dying[/QUOTE]
Plants are the earth if the earth is part of the universe, the universe is part of a whole and the plants are part of that whole then they are the same as the earth.
With that perspective in mind you can assume that i am you and you are me, so why would I ever want to hurt you if you are me? This should never be taken literally but as a perspective it's very powerful in keeping you in check as a person.
They aren't the same because they're part of something. They remain at that, part of something. Part of Earth is plants. That doesn't mean Earth is plants.
That line of thinking is just illogical
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[QUOTE=Broni;37881886]Plants are the earth if the earth is part of the universe, the universe is part of a whole and the plants are part of that whole then they are the same as the earth.
With that perspective in mind you can assume that i am you and you are me, so why would I ever want to hurt you if you are me? This should never be taken literally but as a perspective it's very powerful in keeping you in check as a person.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;37871064]If by "hypothesis" you mean "thing that has been proven true" then I agree.
[url]http://arxiv.org/pdf/0708.1362v2.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
-snip, see below quote if you care, not that you should
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37894746]Well, talking about Universe as a device, and a computer that predicts the motion of all particles and shit, that sounds pretty hypothetical-talk.
Hell I mean, what are you even implying by your Universe Device and... predicting particle motions? That neither the Universe and the computer could predict one another? Ok? How does this change the way we spend our days?[/QUOTE]
How does this change the way we spend our days? You do realise this is a philosophy thread? not practical ideas to change the way we live?
Alright fine, it's just that I find a lot of philosophy to stray too far from.. practicality.
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But I still find philosophy to some extent very interesting, depending on the subject
Whats wrong with straying from practicality? I reckon its fun and interesting to discuss things that aren't practical
Like what things? A lot of things could be achievable, and practical, if we just channeled the resources and manpower into the right causes, all the time, instead of bullshit.
Like, the fact that some company somewhere makes shitty hat-racks that break, it means less work done for something else, and resources and efforts put into waste.
And on contrast, Supercomputers and big-ass space-stations, easily doable because we have two things; all the time in world, and all the resources in the world. And more. We would just have to get serious.
impracticality is not wasteful or useless, it is simply used to make progress in ways other than practical things. neither are wrong necessarily, they are just aimed towards making different connections. einstein was a practical man, he did not believe something until he could prove it with mathematics. some say that the second half of his career was a failure because of this, and the fact that there were other impractical theories (at the time) circulating that very well happened to prove fruitful. it's also hard to define a line because you say we could be using resources for more practical things, but who's there to give the final decision of what's practical and what's not? i'm not saying you're wrong, especially in a simple example like a company making shitty hat racks, but still, it remains fuzzy.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37894781]Alright fine, it's just that I find a lot of philosophy to stray too far from.. practicality.[/QUOTE]
I find that to be a boring and short-sighted way of looking at things. I love doing math and philosophy just because it's interesting. Who cares how it's applicable? I bet people were asking Einstein a hundred years ago how the hell relativity would ever be applicable in their daily lives and now everyone's got a goddamn GPS in their phone.
a hundred years ago?
i don't even think world war 1 started a hundred years ago.
it started 98 years ago
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;37915707]a hundred years ago?
i don't even think world war 1 started a hundred years ago.[/QUOTE]
96, but just about a hundred
I thought it was longer actually, but it turns out special relativity was published a full 11 years before general. I didn't know they were that far apart.
oh wow he came up with it around the time WW1 ended
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okay 3 years before
wow i didn't think that shit was around till the 30s..
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and how exactly does philosophy have no practicality.
i hate to use a hitler example but philosophy caused a genocide of almost or around 10 million people. and that's piss compared to the total amount of people who died because of that philosophy.
there are countless practical applications for it. you can't fix a pipe with it but you can fill someone's heart with emotions to drive them or help your own mental state by finding peace through it (which is the most common way of doing so, disagree? go ask anyone who belongs to a church or religion of some kind)
philosophy has no practicality my ass.
erm... no
Hitler's ideology is what resulted in the genocide, not his philosophy.
philosophy is no more than a reflection, understanding, or pondering, of life
By definitiong:
The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, esp. when considered as an academic discipline.
A set of views and theories of a particular philosopher concerning such study or an aspect of it.
the second relates to the first.
You can't say his "philosophy" was that jews should be killed, because that simply isn't true, believing that a group of people should be killed is bigoted hate-fueled aggression, not philosophy. Philosophy can't be directed at people like that, otherwise it simply stops being philosophy
I do feel philosophy however has practicality for personal growth, art, music, that sort of stuff, more cultural rather than idk, useful?
Ideology
[quote]An ideology is a set of ideas that constitute one's goals, expectations, and actions. An ideology is a comprehensive vision, a way of looking at things (compare worldview) as in several philosophical tendencies (see political ideologies), or a set of ideas proposed by the dominant class of a society to all members of this society (a "received consciousness" or product of socialization).
Ideologies are systems of abstract thought [b]applied to public matters[/b] and thus make this concept central to politics. Implicitly every political or economic tendency entails an ideology whether or not it is propounded as an explicit system of thought.[/quote]
Philosophy
[quote]Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.[1][2] Philosophy is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument.[3] The word "philosophy" comes from the Greek φιλοσοφία (philosophia), which literally means "love of wisdom".[4][5][6][/quote]
His philosophy was that Jews were bad people and need to be killed. His ideology was to kill all Jews. They're related, but philosophy is the idea (i.e. agenda) in the broadest sense. This is also probably why continually clicking the first link in every Wiki article, when the article makes an introduction using broader terms, usually results in you eventually ending up at the philosophy page (and then stuck in a loop with other pages related to philosophy.)
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;37918778]erm... no
Hitler's ideology is what resulted in the genocide, not his philosophy.
philosophy is no more than a reflection, understanding, or pondering, of life
By definitiong:
The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, esp. when considered as an academic discipline.
A set of views and theories of a particular philosopher concerning such study or an aspect of it.
the second relates to the first.
You can't say his "philosophy" was that jews should be killed, because that simply isn't true, believing that a group of people should be killed is bigoted hate-fueled aggression, not philosophy. Philosophy can't be directed at people like that, otherwise it simply stops being philosophy
I do feel philosophy however has practicality for personal growth, art, music, that sort of stuff, more cultural rather than idk, useful?[/QUOTE]
above post.
it's all interrelated but ideology starts at philosophy, every ideal is based around philosophy.
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really all we're squabbling over here is semantics.
[editline]5th October 2012[/editline]
but the main point is that philosophy is in fact extremely practical and a very very potent tool.
yes but the above post pretty much agrees with what i'm saying, it's not the philosophy but the ideology that results in public action
it's semantics, I know, but it's a technicality that I get caught up on
you're both right, no need for bickering
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