• Philosophy Thread - deeeeeeep bro
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[QUOTE=Egg_Toaster;38200603]But birds come from eggs hurr[/QUOTE] what
Hi i'm high, I can fly, But when I don't I will cry. ~Poetry <3
[QUOTE=ljonny;38187997]What if we're just inter dimensional beings seeing our ideas as the higher dimensional objects appearing in the 4th to 6th or so dimension , while we take those ideas and build them into a physical monument on this 3rd dimension plateau. Wouldn't we just be co-creators in this whole universe? i'm not saying this as fact at all, just a thought[/QUOTE] Oh okay, so it IS true, but only as a simple "thought"..
Imagine if a goldfish got high. It would forget it was high in 3 seconds, then remember its high and then forget again over and over and over again.
They have a longer memory than 3 seconds thats just a myth
It was a nice thought while it lasted.
society is way too conservative. go back just a few decades and you have college kids smoking during lectures, high schoolers smoking around campus, 18 year olds legally drinking, and just a general sense of people not taking life as serious as they do nowadays. what's the cause of this? government? the media? why can't everyone just get the stick out of their ass for a change
actually it was the death of the cold war and people turning their eyes inwards towards fucking our own people's minds with state sponsored ideology instead of trying to fuck foreign minds with our own state sponsored ideology
[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;38252353]go back just a few decades and you have college kids smoking during lectures[/QUOTE] that would be really annoying
Yeah, I wouldn't really put half of those down to conservatism, more greater knowledge of health risks and societal expectations that "if you're smoking, that's your choice, just don't make it that other people have to be exposed to it as well". Social conditioning, health research rarara. Also, Johnny, I love you you sexy devil you.
i love it when people glare at me when i smoke by the bus when it's sitting there pumping out shitloads of carbon monoxide.
Teleportation would mean suicide as far as I know. My thoughts may be unprofessional. To teleport from one area to another we would have to die. Our particles would be copied then be recreated in another area. When you think about it, it could create perhaps another clone which starts off on our memory when we were being teleported. Our real self would be killed and would end the state of mind of that person. The clone would be you but simply wouldn't be "you". Your clone would have everything similar to you down to the smallest particle but would not be "you" if you know what I'm talking about. We could never be sure this is true or not because the "clone" would be the person in every single way.
If it is an exact copy of you then imo it would be you because thats what you are, I don't believe in souls or anything though
[QUOTE=gooldude;38258225]Teleportation would mean suicide as far as I know. My thoughts may be unprofessional. To teleport from one area to another we would have to die. Our particles would be copied then be recreated in another area. When you think about it, it could create perhaps another clone which starts off on our memory when we were being teleported. Our real self would be killed and would end the state of mind of that person. The clone would be you but simply wouldn't be "you". Your clone would have everything similar to you down to the smallest particle but would not be "you" if you know what I'm talking about. We could never be sure this is true or not because the "clone" would be the person in every single way.[/QUOTE] What about people that die and are brought back to life shortly after? Brain function stops but afterwards they come back. it's all really iffy because for all intents and purposes, whether or not it's the same consciousness makes no difference to anything
[QUOTE=gooldude;38258225]Teleportation would mean suicide as far as I know. My thoughts may be unprofessional. To teleport from one area to another we would have to die. Our particles would be copied then be recreated in another area. When you think about it, it could create perhaps another clone which starts off on our memory when we were being teleported. Our real self would be killed and would end the state of mind of that person. The clone would be you but simply wouldn't be "you". Your clone would have everything similar to you down to the smallest particle but would not be "you" if you know what I'm talking about. We could never be sure this is true or not because the "clone" would be the person in every single way.[/QUOTE] Break us down into packets of data and beam us like a satellite signal, anywhere in the world with a dish. Any loss in signal would mean death, but what do you expect when you're traveling at such speeds?
Oh god, packet loss. I'm so sorry, sir, we lost your left testicle in packet loss. FUCK.
If teleportation such as that existed, wouldn't that be nearly similar to immortality? If you could store yourself in packets of data, you could recreate yourself in just about any way you wanted, even defying death
thats why i'll never teleport
[QUOTE=gooldude;38258225]Teleportation would mean suicide as far as I know. My thoughts may be unprofessional. To teleport from one area to another we would have to die. Our particles would be copied then be recreated in another area. When you think about it, it could create perhaps another clone which starts off on our memory when we were being teleported. Our real self would be killed and would end the state of mind of that person. The clone would be you but simply wouldn't be "you". Your clone would have everything similar to you down to the smallest particle but would not be "you" if you know what I'm talking about. We could never be sure this is true or not because the "clone" would be the person in every single way.[/QUOTE] I don't see how you could say the clone is a different person or consciousness if they're the same in every way.
[QUOTE=Reviized;38260897]If teleportation such as that existed, wouldn't that be nearly similar to immortality? If you could store yourself in packets of data, you could recreate yourself in just about any way you wanted, even defying death[/QUOTE] Well you're not creating a new you that's the same in every way, you're sending the current you from point A to B.
Did jesus christ smoke weed? [editline]1st November 2012[/editline] I mean couldn't he just be like, BAM pound of kush.
Everyone, say "I". Ask yourself, who said that? What part of you, said that?
often-times when I'm commuting and (probably) baked, I look outside the train/tram/whatever and think about how complicated and intricate our society is, and how incredible it is that this incredible complicated dance of molecules is almost like a hugely, vastly, mind-bogglingly complicated and accidental extra step of chemical evolution certain chemicals under certain conditions and left to their own devices, eventually evolving to perceive and understand this whole process
I've noticed the more and more often I smoke I perceive everything in general more and more differently, even when not high. Everything seems so crazy, hilarious and.. odd. e.g the way how my friends suddenly speak somewhat idiotically or how buying items at the local store is suddenly so funny because the cashier cracks a joke. It's like everyone knows I've smoked weed or somehow I alter other people subconsciously with my happiness. And I swear a lot more random things happen. Like one day we saw exactly the same type of car drive by our house over six times in a time span of hour. Thankfully this altered perception changes back to normal in a few days.
After taking 4 grams of mushrooms a few months ago, I basically had an experience of complete humility. It was like some far more intelligent force was sitting me down and teaching me a lesson like a little child. Every single leaf and blade of grass had a more complex detail built into it, and although i maintained all my mental faculties, it was like being aware of all that I do not know, like being born again.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;38262780]I don't see how you could say the clone is a different person or consciousness if they're the same in every way.[/QUOTE] because the thing originally in control of the vessel (human body in this case) may not be "attached" to said vessel anymore. i guess my beliefs are like if HP lovecraft was a Buddhist. i believe there's either a void or a collective at the end of life. the void is you simply dying and ceasing to exist in every way possible, dissipating into nothing. the collective would be something you dissipate back into but you don't dissipate into nothing, you simply rejoin the collective and all the bits that made up "you" are scattered throughout this endless and vast collective. kind of like a fountain of life, where the shit that makes up souls comes from. the latter is completely Buddhist belief i am told, the thing that makes it lovecraftian though is that we simply cannot understand it, there's no way to understand it in any practical or logical sense, and it's something so vast and giant, you rejoining it means fuck all. either way i believe in a "soul", even though i don't like the word itself, and i really have no understanding of it. and the whole debate upon if someone who teleported is really that same person is quite interesting to me, it even kind of has a sort of hole in its own logic if you believe that the person coming out is the same person. because no matter what your body is broken down, then reconstructed, most likely from parts not of your own. so even if it is "you" inside that body that just teleported, the body you inhabit is probably not the same body you were in before you teleported. [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] i'd call it a ghost but that would just be fucking corny even if ghost in the shell is one of the most awesome animes around. that's another thing. in ghost in the shell's universe they actually managed to isolate and identify the "soul". that's why they're able to transfer someone into a cybernetic brain. what if in real life we managed to isolate and identify the thing we call a soul?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;38289846]After taking 4 grams of mushrooms a few months ago, I basically had an experience of complete humility. It was like some far more intelligent force was sitting me down and teaching me a lesson like a little child. Every single leaf and blade of grass had a more complex detail built into it, and although i maintained all my mental faculties, it was like being aware of all that I do not know, like being born again.[/QUOTE] Sounds like an ego death experience.
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[QUOTE=MRApples7;38295760]Sounds like an ego death experience.[/QUOTE] More like a life inspiring time. Ego death is when you don't know who you are in a way.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;38291570]because the thing originally in control of the vessel (human body in this case) may not be "attached" to said vessel anymore. i guess my beliefs are like if HP lovecraft was a Buddhist. i believe there's either a void or a collective at the end of life. the void is you simply dying and ceasing to exist in every way possible, dissipating into nothing. the collective would be something you dissipate back into but you don't dissipate into nothing, you simply rejoin the collective and all the bits that made up "you" are scattered throughout this endless and vast collective. kind of like a fountain of life, where the shit that makes up souls comes from. the latter is completely Buddhist belief i am told, the thing that makes it lovecraftian though is that we simply cannot understand it, there's no way to understand it in any practical or logical sense, and it's something so vast and giant, you rejoining it means fuck all. either way i believe in a "soul", even though i don't like the word itself, and i really have no understanding of it. and the whole debate upon if someone who teleported is really that same person is quite interesting to me, it even kind of has a sort of hole in its own logic if you believe that the person coming out is the same person. because no matter what your body is broken down, then reconstructed, most likely from parts not of your own. so even if it is "you" inside that body that just teleported, the body you inhabit is probably not the same body you were in before you teleported. [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] i'd call it a ghost but that would just be fucking corny even if ghost in the shell is one of the most awesome animes around. that's another thing. in ghost in the shell's universe they actually managed to isolate and identify the "soul". that's why they're able to transfer someone into a cybernetic brain. what if in real life we managed to isolate and identify the thing we call a soul?[/QUOTE] I've never seen any decent evidence for a soul, so I tend not to believe it exists. I haven't seen anything so far that contradicts the idea that consciousness is just a thing that arises as a result of how the particles that make up a brain and body are arranged and moving, and that seems like the most sensible and simple explanation to me so far.
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