[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39259204]What makes you think all of this?[/QUOTE]
I have no idea, my mind just came across it too many times so I guess I started to search it up one day..
[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39261319]Google isn't giving me anything that even approaches what you were suggesting. That's a bit of a tease, stating something that's physically impossible and not backing it up.[/QUOTE]
he's talking about astral projection basically.
that's the funny thing about all this psychic bullshit. it's the same fucking ideas for centuries, more like millenia probably, except they keep changing all the names.
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y55WPJs-R4[/media]
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
i fuckin love this show
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39261026]Yup, lets leave it at that. For the curious to search and for JohnnyMo to mock.[/QUOTE]
Yes clearly because I think some things are absurd I must have no curiosity whatsoever
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
Homeopathy isn't retarded, I'm just not open minded enough!
the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
hur hur
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILLZqymJRZI[/media]
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
the best part about that scene is that that's really sammy jackson saying those lines
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;39261428]he's talking about astral projection basically.[/QUOTE]
Oh good, I was worried it would be something silly.
If you're going to try and sell something like that it seems a little unwise pegging on something as easily testable as perception of non-visible light spectrums.
[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39261922]Oh good, I was worried it would be something silly.[/QUOTE]
Astral projection isn't silly?
I was joking. It is very silly.
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
According to humanity's current understanding of the universe I should add out of fairness. But I agree completely that it's bull.
Ah
doesn't always come across online
i think the current "understanding" [sp]making it up like powers for super heros[/sp] of all this paranormal shit is complete and utter bullshit.
but i do believe myself that it doesn't hurt to be agnostic to the idea. only it won't come to us through bullshit, something could happen by cosmic fucking chance that's otherwise paranormal and humans could witness it.
the thing is though is that we could be witnessing these things going on all the time, we're just not fuckin aware of it at all. [sp]also there could be events that happen and we could be aware but because the universe is so fucking big why the fuck would they happen in new york or tokyo? or nowhere, Nebraska?[/sp]
any argument: see, cavil's speech. nuff said.
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
i guess what i'm trying to say is being agnostic to shit we simply don't fucking understand and will never understand making unexplainable things happen isn't an exercise in ignorance, it's an exercise in humbling oneself. well if you aren't an idiot. keeps your mind elastic, helps you think outside the box a little better.
I don't think it's ignorance, I think it's credulity, which is just as bad.
that's if you're gullible and don't have healthy inherent skepticism.
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
it's more of a concept than a state of mind.
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
and if you can't explain something that clearly happened... what else can you do?
i'm not implying to start making explanations. try occam's razor, as in label as unexplainable.
granted i don't think that's ever really happened credibly anywhere ever, otherwise we'd know about it.
I'm not saying don't have an open mind, you should entertain any idea with sufficient proof, but there needs to be good evidence and rationale. I believe all sorts of things I don't like because there's too much evidence to deny them.
i think i'm saying to chill in an overly complex way for a reason i now forget.
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
and really just wanted you to post something like what you posted before this one.
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
probably because loss of innocence through disillusionment was so awful i still keep my head in the clouds anyways.
And if you open your mind too much your brain can fall out.
First off, I only said that to experience the things in that "I don't want to be a Human" speech are not impossible when in "Astral projecting" as you guys like to call it.
Secondly, that Penn and Teller video didnt at all cover Exstasis, they simply covered some nuts thinking they can crunch their brain real hard and TALK!? What I am refering to is nothing like that, it involves no hypnosis, and you are paralyzed entirely during.
What I am refering to is simply an extension of the lucid dreaming technique. Who among you can say that you have lucid dreamt to the point where you are "Practicing" it. If so how long have you done it?
Do you guys honestly believe that the technique that has been in our culture for thousands of years and used to be reserved only for the priest class is the same thing that that asshole is teaching over a WEEKEND(!?) for 300 bucks.
No I am not talking about what that guy is teaching. I am talking about maintaining lucidity and tuning your self control when unconscious. I am talking about having amazing experiences (real or not) and to some extent I am talking about what I believe the afterlife is formatted like.
This is my night:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDuI204G5FY[/media]
Can you say the same?
[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39263040]And if you open your mind too much your brain can fall out.[/QUOTE]
i'd rate your post late but you're so late it's worth mentioning.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39263090]First off, I only said that to experience the things in that "I don't want to be a Human" speech are not impossible when in "Astral projecting" as you guys like to call it.[/QUOTE]
But whatever you experience in these lucid dreams isn't necessarily reflective of the actual, physical universe. So you can't experience or learn anything about the real world, only about yourself really. Also, this still doesn't require us to separate our intelligence from our body. This is still all electrical impulses right?
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;39263934]i'd rate your post late but you're so late it's worth mentioning.[/QUOTE]
Damn. Twenty pages it a lot to go through.
kinda makes you think though.
things that happen to us in dreams really are no different than things that happen to you in real life because all you're doing is interpreting sensory information.
well when you're dreaming your brain is just making up the sensory information, but it does it pretty well.
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
i mean i'm like an example right here.
i've been completely lucid and awake and have seen felt heard and even smelled a ton of stuff that wasn't there.
if it was there i'd be dead i don't know how many times over.
you guys seriously don't know what this is like constantly questioning your own perception this much all the time.
[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39264006]But whatever you experience in these lucid dreams isn't necessarily reflective of the actual, physical universe. So you can't experience or learn anything about the real world, only about yourself really. Also, this still doesn't require us to separate our intelligence from our body. This is still all electrical impulses right?
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plenty of people use the dream-space as a means of learning and practising for things they may or may not face in hard-space. After all, is the dream-space not structured from that which you face in reality? What would a man who has lived nothing but dreams all his life even dream about, when he has no worldly concepts to give his dreams inspiration and structure?
alas, I think our patron FoodStuffs has beaten me to the punch a bit here, albeit in somewhat more simple and understandable terms.
actually it's been sort of proven that dreams act as a sort of VR training...
well it's an insanely good and well grounded and founded theory i guess.
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;39264050]plenty of people use the dream-space as a means of learning and practising for things they may or may not face in hard-space. After all, is the dream-space not structured from that which you face in reality?[/QUOTE]
Reflective of reality is not reality. I'm not saying there aren't things to be learned from introspection, but you couldn't plot a space shuttles trajectory based on information acquired in a dream.
And dreams are in no way comparable to a real world, there's no such thing as objectivity in a universe that your brain custom designs for you. Like Zaphod in the total-perspective vortex from hitchhikers guide, the real universe isn't all about you.
then you've never had a dream you could have sworn was real.
because in the end that's all that matters.
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;39264387]then you've never had a dream you could have sworn was real.
because in the end that's all that matters.[/QUOTE]
Dream in one hand and shit in the other, and see which gets full first. Or less crudely, I'd prefer actual antibiotics to a dream about penicillin.
do people deliberately try to not get what i'm saying or am i crazy.
and it's not like i am fucking crazy.
[editline]18th January 2013[/editline]
in the end all you have are your perceptions and the memories your brain forms based upon them, nothing more.
even simpler
we all suffer from weak narrator syndrome because our senses and everything suck ass.
[editline]18th January 2013[/editline]
wow i'm doing the same thing over and over and over again.
[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39264201]Reflective of reality is not reality. I'm not saying there aren't things to be learned from introspection, but you couldn't plot a space shuttles trajectory based on information acquired in a dream.
And dreams are in no way comparable to a real world, there's no such thing as objectivity in a universe that your brain custom designs for you. Like Zaphod in the total-perspective vortex from hitchhikers guide, the real universe isn't all about you.[/QUOTE]
my point being that you separate dream and reality in a way much more black-and-white than I feel they really are, not "omg dreams are real astral projection". You say "you can't experience or learn anything about the real world", but your dreams essentially are an extension of your knowledge and experience of the real world and I feel it's an opportunity to reflect on this knowledge and experience in ways that you might not be able to during normal wake-time. In awoken reality your focus must be split between what has happened and what's happening now, this cannot be escaped even if you are in an empty room with nothing to do or focus on because you still receive input from the world-space, whether it be light in your eyes, the feeling of air passing your nostrils as you breathe etc.. In the dream-space, attunement with reality's world-space is lost and your full attention is attuned to what has already happened in your life; in this way it has the potential to be analysed without distraction.
As I see it, the dream-space is not meant to contest reality but to compliment it.
[editline]18th January 2013[/editline]
tl;dr shut up im drunk
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39263090]First off, I only said that to experience the things in that "I don't want to be a Human" speech are not impossible when in "Astral projecting" as you guys like to call it.
Secondly, that Penn and Teller video didnt at all cover Exstasis, they simply covered some nuts thinking they can crunch their brain real hard and TALK!? What I am refering to is nothing like that, it involves no hypnosis, and you are paralyzed entirely during.
What I am refering to is simply an extension of the lucid dreaming technique. Who among you can say that you have lucid dreamt to the point where you are "Practicing" it. If so how long have you done it?
Do you guys honestly believe that the technique that has been in our culture for thousands of years and used to be reserved only for the priest class is the same thing that that asshole is teaching over a WEEKEND(!?) for 300 bucks.
No I am not talking about what that guy is teaching. I am talking about maintaining lucidity and tuning your self control when unconscious. I am talking about having amazing experiences (real or not) and to some extent I am talking about what I believe the afterlife is formatted like.
This is my night:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDuI204G5FY[/media]
Can you say the same?[/QUOTE]
Thats just lucid dreaming though its not astral projection.
[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39263040]And if you open your mind too much your brain can fall out.[/QUOTE]
Or you could do what I do. Skeptic everything, until you see it for yourself or have your own experience.
Question and study, come up with your own hypothesis. But hey, that's your life, not mine, I'm not one to tell another what to do.
The thing with "opening your mind" is to not hear it right away and shun it, but when you hear it, think about it, then study it, test it. As many times as you want, you can even get together with many people to see what is real.
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;39264626]my point being that you separate dream and reality in a way much more black-and-white than I feel they really are, not "omg dreams are real astral projection". You say "you can't experience or learn anything about the real world", but your dreams essentially are an extension of your knowledge and experience of the real world and I feel it's an opportunity to reflect on this knowledge and experience in ways that you might not be able to during normal wake-time. In awoken reality your focus must be split between what has happened and what's happening now, this cannot be escaped even if you are in an empty room with nothing to do or focus on because you still receive input from the world-space, whether it be light in your eyes, the feeling of air passing your nostrils as you breathe etc.. In the dream-space, attunement with reality's world-space is lost and your full attention is attuned to what has already happened in your life; in this way it has the potential to be analysed without distraction.
As I see it, the dream-space is not meant to contest reality but to compliment it.[/QUOTE]
All I've been saying is that experiences while unconscious are not applicable as evidence of anything other than your psyche. Taking the example earlier of X-Rays, they aren't something that our conscious mind is incapable of dealing with, we have literally no way of sensing them without technological assistance. Your brain can't just postulate these things.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;39264766]Thats just lucid dreaming though its not astral projection.[/QUOTE]
Same Phenomena, different skill level.
Once your into that Lucid state, you can be like "Wait.. Whoa.. Let's float around, let's leave this body." and you do, just by consciously thinking that.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39269990]I will definitely try that next time I have a lucid dream, I've always wanted an out-of-body experience. Not that I think it's anything psychic, just a powerful illusion of the mind, like dreaming.[/QUOTE]
Have fun, Know that, sometimes you can be in another reality. Wake up, see your body lying there, and walk out the door to see some different area. Some times you'll even be in this reality and will be seeing what people around you are doing, that's the best.
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