I will definitely try that next time I have a lucid dream, I've always wanted an out-of-body experience. Not that I think it's anything psychic, just a powerful illusion of the mind, like dreaming.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39269990]I will definitely try that next time I have a lucid dream, I've always wanted an out-of-body experience. Not that I think it's anything psychic, just a powerful illusion of the mind, like dreaming.[/QUOTE]
Difference between Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection?
Lucid dreaming is becoming conscious after you have already entered the out of body state. This is the basic level of Consciousness advancement. Most people never reach the stage and if they do they never get past it. The issue with lucid dreaming is the world view, Lucid dreaming is emphasizing the self, the surreal, and desire. more often then not Lucid dreaming has little if any correlation to objective reality.
Extasis is going directly from a waking state to the out of body state. You will experience exiting your body, and once you have made this correlation, you will see a silvery cord connecting the two of 'you'.
Extasis differs primarily from lucid dreaming in that it is not viewed as simply dreams and with this in mind one can view objective things. Astral Projection is difficult in that the untrained practitioner will often just slip back into Lucid Dreaming by losing focus and creating his own reality.
The way I look at it is that it gives me 4 extra degrees of freedom. I can thoughtfully travel in 3d space of our world, I can travel in what seems to be time, I can travel in between what seems to be universes with different laws, but when I try to interact or change something the quality quickly becomes reduced, and I believe that at that point I no longer am Astral Projecting but rather Lucid Dreaming as it were.
It seems that while you are astral projecting you can look but you can't touch. The thing is that if you actually manage to achieve this (which I would applaud you if you had enough willpower to pull it off) you will likely become entirely entralled with the detail of it compared to Lucid Dreaming. You will feel very awake, but everything will seem to have an extra lustre to it, you can look at things in amazing detail and might find yourself being focused on your shoe you left next to your bed or something.
IF you pull it off, keep in mind that you are not just moving xyz anymore, you have much more to consider when thinking about where you are.
Philosophy of math and philosophy of physics are interesting.
Fuckin' interpretations of quantum mechanics, man.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39322879]Philosophy of math and philosophy of physics are interesting.
Fuckin' interpretations of quantum mechanics, man.[/QUOTE]
Regarding philosophy of physics, I've had an idea for a while now while pondering on what wacky things could possibly occur on the inside of a black hole.
Considering black holes, especially supermassive ones, have such immense gravitational pull that it actually distorts time and space itself, couldn't it be possible that it slightly distorts reality and the laws of physics as well, allowing galaxies orbiting such black holes to have localized alterations to the laws of physics and universal constants, say a slightly altered speed of light, change of mass in elementary particles or something like that?
This would also mean that the closer you get to the galactic core, the wackier things become.
I have no formal education in higher physics though, and seeing as you have much greater knowledge and understanding in the field than I, what's your input on the plausibility of such a phenomena?
a black hole only does wacky shit within its event horizon, if there was a black hole the same mass as the sun where the sun was we would still orbit as normal.
didn't notice we had a thread for this stuff
posted this in the addicts lounge the other day
[QUOTE=NotYou3;39385173]i came up with a thing
what if dreams are real but occur in alternate realities and our consciousness is an entity kinda like the soul that contains our personality and phases between these different realities when we sleep and shit, but we can only remember bits of one universe when in another universe (that's why when we're awake or in dreams we think that THAT is the normal universe and cant remember dreams properly)[/QUOTE]
what's to say what we experience awake is real, yet what we experience in dreams is not?
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39413382]Regarding philosophy of physics, I've had an idea for a while now while pondering on what wacky things could possibly occur on the inside of a black hole.
Considering black holes, especially supermassive ones, have such immense gravitational pull that it actually distorts time and space itself, couldn't it be possible that it slightly distorts reality and the laws of physics as well, allowing galaxies orbiting such black holes to have localized alterations to the laws of physics and universal constants, say a slightly altered speed of light, change of mass in elementary particles or something like that?
This would also mean that the closer you get to the galactic core, the wackier things become.
I have no formal education in higher physics though, and seeing as you have much greater knowledge and understanding in the field than I, what's your input on the plausibility of such a phenomena?[/QUOTE]
It's likely if that was the case that we could measure it a similar effect outside any massive object. All matter and energy warp time and space, and the interior of a black hole is not fundamentally different from the exterior.
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[QUOTE=Stormcharger;39413544]a black hole only does wacky shit within its event horizon, if there was a black hole the same mass as the sun where the sun was we would still orbit as normal.[/QUOTE]
This is true shit.
Well, not necessarily. A rotating black hole does some wacky shit outside its event horizon too. There's a surface (outside the event horizon) around a rotating black hole inside which all objects are forced to rotate around the black hole in the same way it's spinning. Even light can't resist being spun around.
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[QUOTE=NotYou3;39413849]what's to say what we experience awake is real, yet what we experience in dreams is not?[/QUOTE]
Nothing, technically speaking, but I find the fact that my awake experiences are consistent and rational to be strong evidence that they reflect reality better. I like what Leibniz said about it:
"Although the whole of this life were said to be nothing but a dream and the physical world nothing but a phantasm, I should call this dream or phantasm real enough, if, using reason well, we were never deceived by it."
i love it when that asian dude says "if you say you understand quantum mechanics you have no idea what you're talking about"
all of those big think videos are fuckin awesome.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39415325]Nothing, technically speaking, but I find the fact that my awake experiences are consistent and rational to be strong evidence that they reflect reality better.[/QUOTE]
but if dreams occur in separate universes, what if we only remember one universe properly when we're in that universe? dream universes seem to have their own sets of history and i personally can't remember my 'real' life in dreams. this would explain us not remembering dreams and their specific realities properly when 'awake' and not being able to remember 'real' life properly whilst in a dream world
i've had lots of dreams which seem to happen within the same consistent 'universe' as other dreams (ie. have the same chronology and history, laws of physics, etc) and i recognise that fact while in the dream itself - what's to say that that 'dream world' isnt reality too?
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39415325]It's likely if that was the case that we could measure it a similar effect outside any massive object. All matter and energy warp time and space, and the interior of a black hole is not fundamentally different from the exterior.[/QUOTE]
how do black holes and such distort space? isn't space meant to be nothing, as in the lack of anything? how does something distort nothing as if it was something?
[QUOTE=NotYou3;39415678]
how do black holes and such distort space? isn't space meant to be nothing, as in the lack of anything? how does something distort nothing as if it was something?[/QUOTE]
think of space as a flat plane. every object on that plane causes the plane to dip and curve downward. the higher the mass, the more it curves and the more sharper the edge of the curve is.
there's probably some really good 1 minute long youtube that could explain this way better than i can.
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;39415740]think of space as a flat plane. every object on that plane causes the plane to dip and curve downward. the higher the mass, the more it curves and the more sharper the edge of the curve is.
there's probably some really good 1 minute long youtube that could explain this way better than i can.[/QUOTE]
i've seen things explaining it in this way but i have trouble wrapping my head around the concept of 'nothing' being bent and warped - isn't the very definition of space the lack of anything? does this mean that black holes bend the very fabric of existence? how does this even work? what IS space? it must be something to have the potential to be warped by gravity but if space is a physical thing then how can it be space if space is meant to be emptiness/the lack of something?
i'm pretty sure if you want to go any further than that rudimentary explanation you'd have to study a bit to grasp the concept.
can anyone help me and him out here? what kind of stuff would you have to read to get a clear understanding of this kind of stuff?
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i had some understanding of it all but i kinda forgot...
if we came from monkeys...
than why the fuck are there still monkeys dude?!
i've been thinking hard about this and i can't even
i had a great explanation but i think your avatar my brain
can't think good no more. make monkey drive. need to go to hospital...
start a monkey
eat a doctor
buy a hospital
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;39416115]i'm pretty sure if you want to go any further than that rudimentary explanation you'd have to study a bit to grasp the concept.
can anyone help me and him out here? what kind of stuff would you have to read to get a clear understanding of this kind of stuff?
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i had some understanding of it all but i kinda forgot...[/QUOTE]
i've wondered about this kind of stuff for a long time but i don't even know what the study of this shit would be called (apart from "physics" which is too broad of a term, lol), and have no idea where i would even start looking to find out more
General relativity
i can't believe i couldn't pull that off the top of my head.
einstein is where all this shit becomes modern. i'm pretty sure he even made up the space curvature metaphor and all that shit.
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just read einstein and hawking.
Just dropping this in here: [url]http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/index.html[/url]
Good read, relativity and stuff in laymans terms. Covers some of the stuff you are discussing.
[QUOTE=Zpoon;39417065]Just dropping this in here: [url]http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/index.html[/url]
Good read, relativity and stuff in laymans terms. Covers some of the stuff you are discussing.[/QUOTE]
Seen that, it's really good.
Anyone here who has a real interest in this could read [url]http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/9712019.pdf[/url], provided they have taken some calculus and vector geometry.
I'm just going to place this here. I am probably not the first to think of this but I believe if you do something that's not enjoyable or just straining either mentally, physically, or both. Your enjoyment of pleasures such as smoking weed, masturbating, eating delicious food, loving another person, hanging out with friends or parents causes you to enjoy it so much more due to the fact that you have earned it. Like eating more spinach and running occasionally. I was in a rut for a while just on my computer quit wrestling. And all the things i used to enjoy such as getting stoned and jerking off and being on the computer are not as enjoyable. It seems like work to me now. But the other day I had to sprint up hill and continue running so i could get into this persons car i was gonna hotbox with. And When i smoked i felt happier than usual. Take what you want from what i say. Hard work is rewarded whether you know it or not.
that's what we call structure. having obligations ("work") and responsibilities in your life makes the fun parts more concentrated because you aren't constantly having fun.
all work and no play make jack a dull boy
but all play and no work makes play fuckin boring after a while.
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it's almost kind of like drug tolerance.
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;39417438]that's what we call structure. having obligations ("work") and responsibilities in your life makes the fun parts more concentrated because you aren't constantly having fun.
all work and no play make jack a dull boy
but all play and no work makes play fuckin boring after a while.
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it's almost kind of like drug tolerance.[/QUOTE]
And its a very basic concept that people have forgotten somehow. Especially my friends....
[QUOTE=DarkKrystal;39416135]if we came from monkeys...
than why the fuck are there still monkeys dude?!
i've been thinking hard about this and i can't even[/QUOTE]I also have some questions about it.
If speciation is a thing that occurs in different communities of the same species over time. Then why can Asians and Native Americans breed?
Why does speciation seemingly not apply to humans? What circumstances (if any) would we require to speciate?
[QUOTE=NotYou3;39415987]i've seen things explaining it in this way but i have trouble wrapping my head around the concept of 'nothing' being bent and warped - isn't the very definition of space the lack of anything? does this mean that black holes bend the very fabric of existence? how does this even work? what IS space? it must be something to have the potential to be warped by gravity but if space is a physical thing then how can it be space if space is meant to be emptiness/the lack of something?[/QUOTE]
Here, let Carl Sagan soothe your weary head
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-db4iC0aHw[/media]
2:57 is where he shows off his [i]baller[/i] analogy
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[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39419221]I also have some questions about it.
If speciation is a thing that occurs in different communities of the same species over time. Then why can Asians and Native Americans breed?
Why does speciation seemingly not apply to humans? What circumstances (if any) would we require to speciate?[/QUOTE]
speciation occurs when two or more populations of a species have become separated (whether geographically or otherwise) and, due to their different environments, undergo different selective pressures. Because these populations are separate, they are unable to interbreed and over time they will evolve to be more and more different
The point at which you can say they are now a different species, is when members from the two populations are unable to interbreed and produce fertile and viable offspring.
so to answer your question, this hasn't happened to humans because (to the best of my knowledge) the timescales involved since humans spread across the world and populations became separated from one another, simply aren't big enough. These kind of genetic changes take a long time to happen and they haven't had a chance to occur.
There may be other factors to it (such as my guess that, because of our specie's adaptability and ability to manipulate its environment, selective pressures would not have been as extreme when migrating across such vast changes in environment as with other species).
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if it helps you can think of Native Americans and Asians as being two different 'breeds' of one species
[QUOTE=DarkKrystal;39416135]if we came from monkeys...
than why the fuck are there still monkeys dude?!
i've been thinking hard about this and i can't even[/QUOTE]
We did not come from monkeys, we came from a common ancestor.
And just because a new species is evolved doesn't mean the older one dies out. Isolation from the gene pool (especially in conditions highly favoring another genetic make-up) leads to evolution while retaining the original species as well.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39419221]I also have some questions about it.
If speciation is a thing that occurs in different communities of the same species over time. Then why can Asians and Native Americans breed?
Why does speciation seemingly not apply to humans? What circumstances (if any) would we require to speciate?[/QUOTE]
Because Asians and Native Americans aren't even close to being genetically different enough to be separate species. They are separate races, and these can still breed with each other (see dogs for example).
It takes a very long while for two races to become two species, and even if they evolve far enough to be classed as two different subspecies they could still probably be able to breed, like the neanderthals did with humans, and they had been evolutionary separate for over 1 million years!
[QUOTE=Faren;39419240]
speciation occurs when two or more populations of a species have become separated (whether geographically or otherwise) and, due to their different environments, undergo different selective pressures. Because these populations are separate, they are unable to interbreed and over time they will evolve to be more and more different
The point at which you can say they are now a different species, is when members from the two populations are unable to interbreed and produce fertile and viable offspring.
so to answer your question, this hasn't happened to humans because (to the best of my knowledge) the timescales involved since humans spread across the world and populations became separated from one another, simply aren't big enough. These kind of genetic changes take a long time to happen and they haven't had a chance to occur.
There may be other factors to it (such as my guess that, because of our specie's adaptability and ability to manipulate its environment, selective pressures would not have been as extreme when migrating across such vast changes in environment as with other species).
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if it helps you can think of Native Americans and Asians as being two different 'breeds' of one species[/QUOTE]
Indeed sir.
Native Americans and Asians are not close though. Full blooded Native Americans don't grow any body hair, not even facial hair. Asians do however.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NbBjNiw4tk[/media]
physics is the shit
this is amazing.
[video=youtube;IaDOkMEK4uk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaDOkMEK4uk&feature=share[/video]
[QUOTE=ljonny;39420084]Indeed sir.
Native Americans and Asians are not close though. Full blooded Native Americans don't grow any body hair, not even facial hair. Asians do however.[/QUOTE]
that's a pretty minuscule difference when you compare to other species though
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