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im trippin balls there no human connection anywhere yo [editline]9th February 2013[/editline] this whole website exists just for the reason of connecting
[QUOTE=AgentBoomstick;39525921]LAY IT ON ME I CAN TAKE IT it's funny you say that because i've been up for two days drinking coffee by the pot. but really, discuss whenever you feel fit enough to do so. i'd love to hear it.[/QUOTE] So I've eaten three eggs, one bell pepper, drank a bottle of water and had a cigarette. I apologize for my unacceptable irrational behavior, which was the result of misdirected anger due to the emotional distress Amphetamine and sleep deprivation can cause when you don't take care of your body. Self-educated material should never be insulted, but rather be encouraged through guidance and positive reinforced discussion, if needed. [QUOTE] So... WHAT CAUSES BURNOUT: We have primal urges and intellectual goals. We apply will-power to inhibit the primal urges and direct our energy towards the intellectual goals. [/QUOTE] Sound reasoning, but slightly abstract. If the human mind possesses urges and goals, it would seem will-power is created by simply having a mind, considering urges are based upon the circumstances of your surroundings pertaining both to birth and the psychological impacts of your environment. [QUOTE]Primal urges, neurochemically, are fueled by dopamine. Will-power is fueled by norepinephrine. To apply will-power, you consume norepi from your norepi reserves. If you run out of norepi, you lose self-control and have to wait for your norepi to replenish.[/QUOTE] Urges and desires are something that are created through neuroplasticity as the neuro-synaptic patterns shift in response to NMDA-receptor stimulation through a collaborative process with dopaminergic and serotonergic activity. Where if oxytocin levels are elevated, it will link the neuro-circuits between the elevated part of the brain to your reward system. This can result in cognitive development as when you understand something new, or it can create a pattern to an unhealthy food that makes it taste even better. Though neurochemicals, individually, are not responsible for one specific task in "primal urges" or "will-power" as you define them. For example, norepinephrine can aid an urge by shifting the brains attention to the urge, further promoting its existence. At the same time can dopamine enhance your will-power by acting as a pleasure-mechanism that promotes an aspect of will-power. You can't either "run out" of norepinephrine in a healthy brain as it would manifest itself as a fatigue disorder long before you have completely run out. Dangerously low blood pressure would also manifest itself as a symptom which would increase the risk in cardiovascular disorders. [QUOTE]How does norepi replenish? Where do we get more norepi to keep up our will-powered strict quests running? Here lies the paradox: NOREPI IS THE RESULT OF USED DOPAMINE BEING METABOLIZED INTO NOREPI! But dopamine is the fuel of primal urges... So how do you get the dopamine to get used and to metabolize into norepi? Answer: By indulging in your primal urges![/QUOTE] Dopamine is released all the time between neurons in the brain which then metabolizes into norepinephrine, for the purpose of maintaining your cognitive abilities of attention, level of wakefulness and ability to learn. If the brain wasn't continuously releasing dopamine in the synapses between neurons in the brain, you would be unconscious and completely non-responsive. Lowered levels of dopamine in your brain can result in Parkinson's Disease or Dystonia. [QUOTE]So the paradox of will-powered denial of primal urges is that if you deny yourself from indulging in primal things, then you won't regenerate any will-power, and it will soon run dry and you lose control to your primal urges! So too much will-powered denial leads to a relapse into primal indulgence... Paradoxical? Extremely! So a burnout is when you keep abusing this paradox for too long and too hard. At the same time you are not sufficiently replenishing norepi, and in addition your norepi system is building a tolerance to itself, requiring ever more of the chemical, while also at the same time having your dopamine production cut down because it's not being used... At some point this unsustainable loop crosses a treshold after which it becomes impossible to activate anymore, and your will-power system crashes completely. The only way for the knot to unravel is to wait for possibly months for the system to reset. During burnout you can't seem to achieve anything, because your whole achieving system has become too demanding to start up again. You can only wait for it to disintegrate completely (which eventually happens to unused neural structures), and then you have to rebuild it from scratch. Burnout is BAD. To evade this unfortunate scenario we need to balance primal indulgence and higher ambitions. For every hour of studying/exercising/working, you need one hour of gaming/reddit/trolling. For every salad there has to be a chocolate bar. For every push up a stroke of the penis. [/QUOTE] Based on the knowledge I have shared, this seems like pseudo-psychology. Though you still manage to make a logical point, in the exception that the brain interprets a push-up basically the same as a stroke of the penis, since the same hormones get released. That is why you get addicted to exercise. [QUOTE]PS: So primal urges and intellectual goals make two categories. Third one is CREATIVITY, which is fueled by serotonin, which is independent of the two others. Serotonin is replenished by eating cheese. Then there are a few other minor systems, but those are the main three. Keep them in balance: indulgence, ambition, and creativity.[/QUOTE] Serotonin has actually nothing to do with creativity. Creativity is an ability of cognitive memory-associations where your brain tries to create something seemingly new by mixing things together. It can however be fueled with attention- and concentration-hormones like dopamine and norepinephrine since that enables your brain more time to connect two things into something useful. [editline]9th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=pancaker94;39526337]im trippin balls there no human connection anywhere yo [editline]9th February 2013[/editline] this whole website exists just for the reason of connecting[/QUOTE] Isn't connecting the foundation of human connection anyway though? [editline]9th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;39525842]I think you are over-reacting. I have found that my studying is 200% effective when I take 5 minute breaks to listen to music or have a wank or play a game. Then I go back to what I am doing. There is a study about this somewhere but I can't find it. I think this [url="http://psychcentral.com/news/2011/02/09/taking-breaks-found-to-improve-attention/23329.html"]link[/url] refers to this concept. As for taking breaks: Naps are good breaks, generally between the hours of 11pm and 9am[/QUOTE] This doesn't apply to me as I'm autistic though, since my level of concentration is so high I obsess about different subjects all the time. My friends call me a walking encyclopedia but it doesn't help with my life at all because of the difficulties I have. I need benzodiazepine-analog hypnotics or anti-psychotics to even sleep. When I discovered the incredible depth in the history and the world behind the card game Magic the Gathering, I was awake for 3 days and nearly fell into a mania-induced psychosis. You have a slight struggle with maintaining maximum studying effectiveness, I struggle with not obsessing about everything all the time. If I try to take a brake by listening to a song for example, I would be occupied for the rest of the day trying to memorize the lyrics and the melody while analyzing the psychological foundations in the artists. My resting level is at studying something. I sometimes study thesauruses for several hours in one day as a recreational activity.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;39526640] This doesn't apply to me as I'm autistic though, since my level of concentration is so high I obsess about different subjects all the time. My friends call me a walking encyclopedia but it doesn't help with my life at all because of the difficulties I have. I need benzodiazepine-analog hypnotics or anti-psychotics to even sleep. When I discovered the incredible depth in the history and the world behind the card game Magic the Gathering, I was awake for 3 days and nearly fell into a mania-induced psychosis. You have a slight struggle with maintaining maximum studying effectiveness, I struggle with not obsessing about everything all the time. If I try to take a brake by listening to a song for example, I would be occupied for the rest of the day trying to memorize the lyrics and the melody while analyzing the psychological foundations in the artists. My resting level is at studying something. I sometimes study thesauruses for several hours in one day as a recreational activity.[/QUOTE] i really don't want to speak for you here but that's just so interesting. i can't help but envy that, and i know that's probably not the way you see it. i personally have suffered from chronic depression for a long time, and the mental aspect of it really changes the way you act. the way i understand humor, process stressful situations, and time i spend alone beating myself up and trying to improve the way i think constantly is something that can definitely be utilized. i'm not trying to toot my own horn, i'm just saying i can ever so slightly relate. the fact of the matter is though is that it's depression and more often than not it's a curse rather than a blessing.
[QUOTE=AgentBoomstick;39529470]i really don't want to speak for you here but that's just so interesting. i can't help but envy that, and i know that's probably not the way you see it. i personally have suffered from chronic depression for a long time, and the mental aspect of it really changes the way you act. the way i understand humor, process stressful situations, and time i spend alone beating myself up and trying to improve the way i think constantly is something that can definitely be utilized. i'm not trying to toot my own horn, i'm just saying i can ever so slightly relate. the fact of the matter is though is that it's depression and more often than not it's a curse rather than a blessing.[/QUOTE] I understand, I wonder though, do you receive any form of mental health care for the difficulties you're describing?
yes, i've been through many bouts of psychotherapy, tried many different medications and self-medicated through recreational drug use, meditation, etc. my condition has definitely improved and i'm more than coping but i have to be careful because it comes back hard and without warning whenever it feels like it.
[QUOTE=AgentBoomstick;39529791]yes, i've been through many bouts of psychotherapy, tried many different medications and self-medicated through recreational drug use, meditation, etc. my condition has definitely improved and i'm more than coping but i have to be careful because it comes back hard and without warning whenever it feels like it.[/QUOTE] Have you tried exercising? It is really underrated. I used to have issues with anxiety a lot after a severe panic attack when I was 11, had high anxiety over everything for 8 years. I couldn't even go to school. But now I exercise regularly through jogging, martial arts and strength training, and it works like a miracle. The more intensely I exercise the better I feel.
yeah lately i've been working on getting my body into healthier shape. i'm very light and i drink coffee nonstop so i'm never really eating. weed fixes that in an instant.
i just heard gravity doesn't pull, but space pushes... is this true? if so my perception on things has been turned upside down for... well... i probably hold some kind of record on number of times my perception has done a complete 180 or 360 if you want to be pretentious like microsoft (they should have just called it the 180... [B]3[/B]60 was just to match up to the fact that their competition was the playstation [B]3[/B]) or whatever the fuck.
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;39572268]i just heard gravity doesn't pull, but space pushes... is this true? if so my perception on things has been turned upside down for... well... i probably hold some kind of record on number of times my perception has done a complete 180 or 360 if you want to be pretentious like microsoft (they should have just called it the 180... [B]3[/B]60 was just to match up to the fact that their competition was the playstation [B]3[/B]) or whatever the fuck.[/QUOTE] It does shouldn't do much to your view. If matter (Or that which 'is') pulls matter. Then Space (Or that which 'is not') pushes matter. [editline]12th February 2013[/editline] This also says more about the expansion of the universe past a vector based explosion.
anyone else here get into meditation? In the last couple of weeks I've gone from thinking about it to really taking time out several times a week to practice yoga and meditate. So far it's been extremely rewarding in that I feel physically and "spiritually" (although honestly I don't really think there's a distinction) more connected to my body and environment /hippytalk
some therapist once said that i'm in kind of a constant state of meditation. i think he was mixing cloud cuckoolander with monk.... [editline]13th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;39572280]It does shouldn't do much to your view. If matter (Or that which 'is') pulls matter. Then Space (Or that which 'is not') pushes matter. [editline]12th February 2013[/editline] This also says more about the expansion of the universe past a vector based explosion.[/QUOTE] no no no no. the curvature of space is what is pushing. it's completely different from that. [editline]13th February 2013[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jremlZvNDuk[/media] starts around 1:40 [editline]13th February 2013[/editline] again i love this fuckin guy.
[QUOTE=Faren;39572302]anyone else here get into meditation? In the last couple of weeks I've gone from thinking about it to really taking time out several times a week to practice yoga and meditate. So far it's been extremely rewarding in that I feel physically and "spiritually" (although honestly I don't really think there's a distinction) more connected to my body and environment /hippytalk[/QUOTE] i tried to learn how to meditate but after more than an hour trying to think of a mantra I gave up :v:
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;39572331]no no no no. the curvature of space is what is pushing. it's completely different from that.[/QUOTE] "push" and "pull" are probably not terms you ought to use because they kind of confuse the issue, but yes, the curvature of space is what causes gravitation
you're right, it doesn't sound really much like a push or a pull, more of a compacting or something like that. as kaku describes it.
[QUOTE=Faren;39572302]anyone else here get into meditation? In the last couple of weeks I've gone from thinking about it to really taking time out several times a week to practice yoga and meditate. So far it's been extremely rewarding in that I feel physically and "spiritually" (although honestly I don't really think there's a distinction) more connected to my body and environment /hippytalk[/QUOTE] I actually got into meditation a few months ago.(well I guess it's been 5 now) I used to think it was new age hippy mumbo jumbo, but I guess there is even studies going out on the "Science of Meditation" because it's simply just focusing, focusing on your body. Clearing your thoughts and focusing, hell, people have many different ways to meditate, the most sterotypical and average way is sitting down closing your eyes and just sitting there. And the thing with spirituality mate, It's not really spiritual at all, It's just the energies we've got running around our body, the way I learned, was that the body is like a harmonic instrument, and it needs to be tuned every once in a while. I used to play around with religions over the summer, all I found was a bunch of faith and you need to believe bull shit, then I came across something people called "spirituality" and that was the only damn thing I could learn about the "soul" all these energies around us, and stick in a scientific point of view, never a guess of something that cannot exist. [QUOTE=Stormcharger;39572888]i tried to learn how to meditate but after more than an hour trying to think of a mantra I gave up :v:[/QUOTE] you don't really need to apply a mantra to your meditation, It does help yes, but it takes much much practice, some people say it takes years of practice. But when we go to what Mantra really meant, it's the healing of your body and "soul" or what ever people call it, I've had relatives that practiced what they called "hot hands." Saved many of my family members lives with it apparently.
Posted this in the SH thread ( [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1248325[/url] ) about quantum bubbles/instability in the vacuum/whatever appearing billions of years from now and engulfing the entire universe while creating its own inside of it, and I figured it might as well be reposted here for some drugged philosophizing. I wonder, since it only expands at the speed of light (meaning it would take billions of years for it to engulf the entire universe) couldn't that mean that other bubbles could simultaneously pop up in other parts of the universe? What would happen if these were to collide? What if our universe is a bubble in a universe that has lots of other bubbles, and we might collide with one some day?
[QUOTE=Faren;39572302]anyone else here get into meditation? In the last couple of weeks I've gone from thinking about it to really taking time out several times a week to practice yoga and meditate. So far it's been extremely rewarding in that I feel physically and "spiritually" (although honestly I don't really think there's a distinction) more connected to my body and environment /hippytalk[/QUOTE] i meditate every day before i work out then i work out and then get high, good routine
John Lennon was born in 1940, the Beetles started in 1960 and ended in 1970, John was shot in 1980. What happened in 1950?
The beatles were in school?
the beginning of the cold war? [editline]28th February 2013[/editline] (strangely enough that's probably more relevant than them being in school... both historically and for the band)
meditation is great, but i can never seem to stick with it for more than a few weeks. i settle into a daily practice and achieve great results, it's almost like being slightly high all the time but sooner or later i always manage to convince myself that i've reaped enough benefits and can utilize time spent meditating doing other things (obviously that rationalization is bullshit, 20 minutes before bed is [I]nothing[/I] out of anyone's day).
I just meditate whenever I get a bit of spare time love how calm you can be after meditating, often helps me make the right choices about things
Time for some ethics-punch In Bio-ethics class recently we have been discussing the allocation of rationed medical services. What criteria do you believe we should use when deciding who gets a treatment and who does not? (For the sake of argument let's all use the example of a kidney, because there is only one) Should we make age be the primary criteria? If you are older does that mean you should get more or less medical attention? What about one of those 80 year olds who are all fit and healthy and doing stuff? Should we make responsibility the primary criteria? If someone is an alcoholic does that entitle them less to a kidney than someone who doesn't drink? But what about if that person is trying to quit a certain drug, but are having trouble due to addiction? Should we just forget about them? I personally believe that we should appeal to the concept of "A future of valuable experiences". That is to say those who have the most valuable future actions and experiences are to be favored over the others. Thoughts?
what's your definition of valuable? furthermore how could you know with any certainty what kind of a future someone will have?
I get my concept of "A future of valuable experiences" from Don Marquis and his[url="http://faculty.polytechnic.org/gfeldmeth/45.marquis.pdf"] paper[/url] on Abortion, but I believe the notion is useful here as well. [quote] loss of one’s life is one of the greatest losses one can suffer. The loss of one’s life deprives one of all the experiences, activities, projects, and enjoyments which would otherwise have constituted one’s future The effect of the loss of my biological life is the loss to me of all those activities, projects, experiences, and enjoyments which would otherwise have constituted my future personal life. These activities, projects, experiences, and enjoyments are either valuable for their own sakes or are means to something else that is valuable for its own sake. Some parts of my future are not valued by me now, but will come to be valued by me as I grow older and as my values and capacities change [/quote] That combined with the value to society that one can be reasonably expected to do is what must be taken into account.
The taking of a life seems like an actually ambiguous thing to me. In the "potential" point, it's all still potential, nebulous things that don't actually exist yet. "Potential contributions to society" is the kind of mindset that I've always hated when not barefaced. Maybe it's because I have misanthropic tendencies but enhancing the lives of other members of my species is not high on the list of why I haven't killed myself yet. I think the individual has the right to choose whether or not to continue living, but only after they have had sufficient experience to be completely individualised. An newborn is only an individual by its genetic idiosyncrasies; most adults are individuals in their own experience as well as their DNA. If an animal is born into an environment where it is needed to exist most if not all of its natural life(repopulation; Working Toward the Prospect of a Better Future for Our Children), if they do not believe that existence would bring their goals to fruition, they have the right to opt out, I believe. All these little concepts are just a bunch of abstract human creations that the universe could not possibly care less about. With the law of conservation of matter, all things that come before will eventually become part of the things present. Life is a freak occurrence and death is the cessation of life's sustenance; just another tiny thing that no longer moves, no longer is able to support the trillions of living things its body is made up of, which also cease their autonomy. If death occurs on a planet such as ours, the body is destroyed quickly by other autonomous forms; if not, the body decays slowly as the lysosomes break open and disintegrate the cells they inhabit. A skeleton would lie for many millions of years on the moon, untouched; eventually be eroded away by the winds on Mars; quickly eaten away by the very atmosphere on Venus; crushed by the gravity of Jupiter. Matter reforms into matter. The cycle continues. We are the only creatures that we know of that have the mental capacity to comprehend this sentence. All the things that "matter" to many humans are these empty ideals of emotion or abstraction. Love, sex, money, happiness, drugs even, none of these last. Whatever we are seeking is only found as ghosts in the creations of thousands of years of humanity. What would the deprivation of an individual of all those potential experiences "matter"? In order to answer that we'd first have to answer this: Where does that individual's experience go when they die? [editline]14th March 2013[/editline] Also apologies for melancholy, been off caffeine a couple days now after years of at least 300mg a day
hahahaha 300 a day? i'd chug a redline every time i woke up during rehab. that's not counting the 40 cups of coffee i had either.
at least, I said. the average is somewhere around 650 I love that coffee
Maybe at the moment we are in a dream-state and weed actually makes us reconnect to the real world.
the real world is a world of energy and mostly empty space, held together by forces kinda cool to think that objects don't have colour, we just ascribe colour to them based on what wavelengths of light are reflected off of them. Even cooler to think that what looks solid to us is chiefly composed of nothing (in terms of space).
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