[QUOTE=Faren;39916254]the real world is a world of energy and mostly empty space, held together by forces
kinda cool to think that objects don't have colour, we just ascribe colour to them based on what wavelengths of light are reflected off of them. Even cooler to think that what looks solid to us is chiefly composed of nothing (in terms of space).[/QUOTE]
The real world is probable.
[QUOTE=Faren;39916254]the real world is a world of energy and mostly empty space, held together by forces
kinda cool to think that objects don't have colour, we just ascribe colour to them based on what wavelengths of light are reflected off of them. Even cooler to think that what looks solid to us is chiefly composed of nothing (in terms of space).[/QUOTE]
Dude, that is fuckin beautiful. You're painting my mind man.
[editline]15th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Faren;39765603]I just meditate whenever I get a bit of spare time
love how calm you can be after meditating, often helps me make the right choices about things[/QUOTE]
Shit be like remastering your mind
I had a three hour walk yesterday. The euphoric inducing substances that are released during such a long walk were almost turning it into a holy walk, a pilgrimage. As I was crossing a bridge, gazing down on the cyan surface of the sea, it occurred to me that the layers of our planet are not so different than it's perceived to be. Quartz, mica and feldspar, the three most common forms of rock is under the sea simply because its heavier than water, and I'm walking at the bottom of the atmosphere, simply because I'm heavier than the air. Our planet is but a lump of matter, sailing the sea of gravitational mist.
I remember one night thinking if I had ever dreamed about dying, because of something I think I read on Facepunch.
I've had a couple of dreams where I've died, I'd say about 4-5 I can recount.
Last night I was actually rather lucid, and all I can remember is going to take a nap in the dream (aware of death), everything went dark as my eyes closed and this weightless gas or energy was released (essence of self; jiva), the soul being translucent went into an OBE with me, and then everything was bright and I remember feeling nothing but the weight of being a abundant amount of energy and the sensations was feeling as if "All is One", atma in hinduism. I think I have a good idea on what if feels to pass away and what happens afterwards. I believe imagination takes true form and heaven would occur. I believe that atheists, non-religious are as brainwashed (I use the term lightly) as the religious. We are all told what could happen in the afterlife, and we all have an imagination which we cannot help but use to visualize what may heaven look like in our creative brain (if person obviously wonders). This becomes that reality in the afterlife, everything you expect, you incur onto yourself. That's something I theorized.
The brain is conditioned with imagery, descriptions, depictions and effects dreams and sculpts them.
When you are asleep, you're force/work and ability to control the surrounding and dream as if you were God is difficulty.
Atleast for me, I have little to no control over my dreams (okay I do but most aren't) so when your brained is conditioned with these beliefs, you're going to basically get a surplus of unfolding events.
In the order of religious dogma that is.
Aswell in the string theory, Michio described the mind of God as the strings' vibrational resonance in 11th dimensional hyperspace.
So it makes me wonder if that could be responsible for electromagnetic changes, which that measure can effect the brain waves of oneself (which could hijack the creative brain)
Also, being out of body means you're environmental variable becomes the universe, whereas a human it'd be the world.
Kind of weird to take in a aspect where you'd never be human or live as one again, unless God preferred other.
I feel like in the afterlife there is always that choice to be born again
[QUOTE=pancaker94;39952055]I feel like in the afterlife there is always that choice to be born again[/QUOTE]
I feel as though the evidence of the ability to create and live extended experiences when dreaming is proof that the body is not needed for conscious experience.
What I mean is: Lets say when you die you enter one of those wicked dreams that feels like it lasts a lifetime, and if time where relevant at all, then you should have died barely 30 seconds into the dream.
[quote="St.Augustine Letter 159 (415 AD)"]As while you are asleep and lying on your bed these eyes of your body are now unemployed and doing nothing, and yet you have eyes with which you behold me, and enjoy this vision, so, after your death, while your bodily eyes shall be wholly inactive, there shall be in you a life by which you shall still live, and a faculty of perception by which you shall still perceive.[/quote]
i don't want to admit it but i think when i die i'm going to come out of some pod that's been sealed for how many years i've been on this earth, in different or possibly similar (as in everyone's human and it's the human future) and all my experience on this earth was just a simulation.
everything else i leave up to interpretation. it leaves for fun shit for my mind to just wander about when it has time to wander...
[editline]18th March 2013[/editline]
well at least sometimes that's what i think
and also other people could be in the same situation in the world i'm in for whatever reason. one reason that sticks out is that we're acquainted in some way.
[editline]18th March 2013[/editline]
i really should write a novel shouldn't i?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39953091]I feel as though the evidence of the ability to create and live extended experiences when dreaming is proof that the body is not needed for conscious experience.
What I mean is: Lets say when you die you enter one of those wicked dreams that feels like it lasts a lifetime, and if time where relevant at all, then you should have died barely 30 seconds into the dream.[/QUOTE]
That letter again lol. The difference between being dead and being asleep is that there is brain activity when you sleep, not when you're dead.
take memory as an example; when you hear a piece of music, the memory is not a physical property of the brain but a memory not composed of matter
[QUOTE=anders22;39957696]take memory as an example; when you hear a piece of music, the memory is not a physical property of the brain but a memory not composed of matter[/QUOTE]
But memory [B]is [/B]a physical property of the brain.
What makes you think it isn't? Have you even done any research on the subject? :v:
It is still useful for talking about the "soul"
But it is not the soul itself, hell for all we know, everything in our bodies could be still intact to the 'soul', it's just an idea. It may not even exist, all I know is, it seems impossible to never experience anything.
[QUOTE=Mac2468;36922548]Time is an illusion. Upon realization of this fact one can learn to manipulate the flow of time.
Time travel is real, my friends. We are the time travelers.[/QUOTE]
I don't even remember posting this. I must have been 13/10 high.
Do mathematical facts represent truths which are independent of the mind?
that's one interesting question...
we're the ones who give them the names, even classify them as these orderly little systems.
i'd have to say no, because math is basically our most basic way of understanding the world.
[editline]18th March 2013[/editline]
yes and no...
this is one of those times where i have a perfectly good answer i'm just to stupid to put it into words.
I agree that in a sense we "invent" math (an alien race might have started using completely different math than us) but I think more fundamentally we discover it. Given certain definitions, theorems will all be the same. An alien race might called addition "sq'phelak" but it's still going to work the same, or else it's not addition.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=BZNB3iYw9fc&feature=endscreen[/media]
The are varying degrees of reality ofcourse.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39958266]But memory [B]is [/B]a physical property of the brain.
What makes you think it isn't? Have you even done any research on the subject? :v:[/QUOTE]
Yes i have in fact, your memory and perhaps, our "collective memory" works in interplay with our brain obviously but is a meeting of mind and matter. Why does specific states, things affect your memory at varies times ?
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11752477[/url]
I can't really answer your question because I'm not an expert in neurology (or whatever science is associated with this aspect of the brain) and I don't think the physical process behind memory is entirely understood as of yet, BUT
you say it's a 'meeting of mind and matter'. What is the mind composed of, if not matter? In what way could it interact with the brain (being made of matter) if it was not anything physical?
To me it seems a far simpler explanation that your memories are directly linked to physical processes in your brain.
[editline]19th March 2013[/editline]
could you maybe rephrase your question because I'm not actually quite sure what you're asking
[QUOTE=anders22;39968101]Yes i have in fact, your memory and perhaps, our "collective memory" works in interplay with our brain obviously but is a meeting of mind and matter. Why does specific states, things affect your memory at varies times ?
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11752477[/url][/QUOTE]
You are not making any sense. The study you linked is completely irrelevant to what you propose, it says nothing of "collective memory" nor does it claim that memory is not a physical property of the brain.
Mind is based on matter, it is not something immaterial but rather a result of the workings of the most advanced instrument we know of in the universe; the brain.
Also
[QUOTE=anders22;39968101]Why does specific states, things affect your memory at varies times ?[/QUOTE]
I do not understand this question.
[editline]19th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39963049]Do mathematical facts represent truths which are independent of the mind?[/QUOTE]
I would say yes because math is just a language to interpret logic, which is the only universal truth.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39969311]I would say yes because math is just a language to interpret logic, which is the only universal truth.[/QUOTE]
Many people would take issue with that claim. I agree with you, (to an extent) but that is by no means an agreed upon fact.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39969311]Mind is based on matter, it is not something immaterial but rather a result of the workings of the most advanced instrument we know of in the universe; the brain.[/QUOTE]
I tend to disagree with this epiphenomenalism. While I agree that the two are intrinsically linked, I tend to look at consciousness as more of a signal, which brains filter down, or 'receive'. Brains are like Radios, the most complicated ones we have discovered so far. Lesser creatures can expresser lesser degrees of consciousness.
Its true if you poke and prod a brain you can bring about various responses, similarly if you poke and prod a radio with various currents of electricity, it will also respond depending on the prodding.
But when no-one is around doing the prodding, it is the signal that creates the output we know as consciousness.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39983588]I tend to disagree with this epiphenomenalism. While I agree that the two are intrinsically linked, I tend to look at consciousness as more of a signal, which brains filter down, or 'receive'. Brains are like Radios, the most complicated ones we have discovered so far. Lesser creatures can expresser lesser degrees of consciousness.
Its true if you poke and prod a brain you can bring about various responses, similarly if you poke and prod a radio with various currents of electricity, it will also respond depending on the prodding.
But when no-one is around doing the prodding, it is the signal that creates the output we know as consciousness.[/QUOTE]
That's nice, except there is no reason at all to suspect such a thing is true.
[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39995181]That's nice, except there is no reason at all to suspect such a thing is true.[/QUOTE]
I agree. While it's certainly an artistic theory of how consciousness could work it's essentially drawing conclusions out of nowhere, giving me the impression of that you're just reaching for an answer to a belief/hope of that maybe there is more to us than we know, maybe our consciousness lives on outside of our bodies as well, maybe we have souls e.t.c.
You are attempting to form your world view based on your subjective beliefs instead of based on what we objectively know about it, and this is in my opinion flawed thinking.
[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39995181]That's nice, except there is no reason at all to suspect such a thing is true.[/QUOTE]
Well while I disagree that there are no reasons, I won't try to draw on certain interpretations of quantum physics as well as things such as the 100th monkey experiment and the face experiment.
In all honesty the reason I choose this particular Mind-Body philosophy is due to what I've read and know about Bhuddist teachings as well as the Judeo-Abrahamaic cultures.
If for no other reason, then my argumentation follows that
I have actions that influence my environment.
I have a mind that influences my actions
I have a brain that influences my mind.
I have an environment that influences my brain.
Ultimately in each of these cases the existence of influence does not expressly imply the existence of control.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39996477]Well while I disagree that there are no reasons, I won't try to draw on certain interpretations of quantum physics as well as things such as the 100th monkey experiment and the face experiment.
In all honesty the reason I choose this particular Mind-Body philosophy is due to what I've read and know about Bhuddist teachings as well as the Judeo-Abrahamaic cultures.
If for no other reason, then my argumentation follows that
I have actions that influence my environment.
I have a mind that influences my actions
I have a brain that influences my mind.
I have an environment that influences my brain.
Ultimately in each of these cases the existence of influence does not expressly imply the existence of control.[/QUOTE]
I highly question the reasoning behind using religious teachings as a pursuance to understanding the universe. Since religion is simply tradition in conduct, and teachings among it is based around the conduct itself. Using philosophy as well is questionable since it by definition is an academic discipline that seeks truth through reasoning rather than empiricism.
Contemplating the facts of evolution, your brain is a product of the environment and can therefore only respond to environmental influence.
Understanding that matter are simply locations bent in space, one have to question if our subjective existence as a conscious being ends at death though, as consciousness is the only way to perceive time, and a location can not be removed from existence, only moved.
[editline]22nd March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39963049]Do mathematical facts represent truths which are independent of the mind?[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. Since truth is bound to an interpreting mind, numbers can represent anything. Dependent on how an axiom is conceived and how it relates itself to the world, mathematics as truth should only be used based on pragmatically pursueable goals.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39996477]Well while I disagree that there are no reasons, I won't try to draw on certain interpretations of quantum physics as well as things such as the 100th monkey experiment and the face experiment.
In all honesty the reason I choose this particular Mind-Body philosophy is due to what I've read and know about Bhuddist teachings as well as the Judeo-Abrahamaic cultures.
If for no other reason, then my argumentation follows that
I have actions that influence my environment.
I have a mind that influences my actions
I have a brain that influences my mind.
I have an environment that influences my brain.
Ultimately in each of these cases the existence of influence does not expressly imply the existence of control.[/QUOTE]
I won't repeat Memnoth's points on using religious teachings as a basis of understanding for the mind, but to my understanding the 100th monkey effect, as you seem to be applying it, was a myth based on misunderstanding and not an experiment.
I'm not sure what the face experiment you're referring to is.
what if we are all mexicans
oh jesus my post count in this thread is hilarious.
unless other people also posted here with alts.
[editline]24th March 2013[/editline]
seriously two of my accounts are in the top five posters
[editline]24th March 2013[/editline]
and the best part is that much of what i said in here made little to no practical sense.
I took mushrooms the other day and I was in a completely familiar environment yet it felt completely different because I had lost any anchor with my sober perspectives. This made me realize that we often do not even associate real things with what they are, even if they're in front of us, but 'compile' everything with associated memories, creating a world of our own that perfectly replicates the real, physical one.
If it makes sense.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40020080]oh jesus my post count in this thread is hilarious.
unless other people also posted here with alts.
[editline]24th March 2013[/editline]
seriously two of my accounts are in the top five posters
[editline]24th March 2013[/editline]
and the best part is that much of what i said in here made little to no practical sense.[/QUOTE]
80 percent of the stuff in here makes little to no practical sense :v:
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