snip. i just shared that because i was wondering if anybody had related.
Man that sounds like stuff I've read by people suffering psychosis/schizophrenia :v:
man i could write a book if i started taking half of that shit that goes through my mind seriously.
but i'd probably go crazy in the process.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40386129]Man that sounds like stuff I've read by people suffering psychosis/schizophrenia :v:[/QUOTE]
that's like classifying religion as a mental disorder.
i don't hear voices if you're wondering. it was a rough time in my life, far most depressing thus far.
this is why religion isn't discussed on facepunch. i remember how bad the debates used to get.
now christians are like in hiding. because dumb ignorant posts from atheists.
No it isn't, I was raised a christian lol I don't think its a mental disorder but a lot of schizophrenics and people suffering psychosis's delusions are heavily influenced by religon, and in the western world that happens to be christianity. It wasn't just because you were talking religious stuff it was the way you experienced it all and took meaning in things.
And it was legitimately similair to stuff I have read written by people who have schizophrenia/psychosis I wasn't making that up to try and put you down.
If it pleases you any, I had a couple of manic episodes last year due to high anxiety, stress and depression. I'm bipolar.
I'm pretty much back to my level-headed skeptical stuff, still feeling slightly non-religious.
I thought it would interesting to post. I can assure you I'm not looking into things.
Anybody have opinions on outer-body experiences?
It kind of makes me think, if the person is conscious of being indifferent to their body (out of it), wouldn't that expand consciousness on a different level?
As if we all carry an etheric vessel?
To be honest my comment was meant to be taken light heartedly
Religion is a collective self defense mechanism against the notion of death. A purpose against fear, proposed as the postulated whys which is outside the current boundaries of our scientific understanding of what the universe is.
I believe in Zen Buddhism for the fact that I use meditation and altruism as a coping mechanism against fear. Christianity handles death through the belief in a Deity with a promised afterlife. But neither of them are a reason to ignore empirical evidence that constitutes scientific facts.
Imagination is an extremely powerful tool and when combined with Serotonin that get released in an imagined sense of social coherence, it's suddenly a life long addiction. Religion isn't a measure of intelligence pertaining understanding the universe, it's a measure of pure imagination.
As the ability to think emphatically and socially was benefited by evolution, you can see why our brains are wired to create a sense of belonging, so we can better understand ourselves. Compare Brian from Family Guy with Ned Flanders from The Simpsons; Brian is systematic to the point of being anti against everyone who has a stretch of imagination because it conflicts with his empirical approach to his environment, while Ned Flanders is portrayed as the ideal neighbor, he accepts people for who they are and doesn't treat them differently based on genetic differences that would be relevant to the perception of faith.
Spirituality is an emotion, faith is the imagination that is systematically hypothesized upon that emotion. That's why we have more than one religion, because we choose to believe in what we are genetically disposed to embrace systematically. The downside being that the accumulated imaginative resources created upon faith, will sooner or later be redundant and conflicting as the scientific method of empirical observation expands. Which is why Creationists try to put Intelligent Design in the science classes.
But spirituality is not a scientific method of observation, therefore it by definition does not belong in a science class.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40386912]
But spirituality is not a scientific method of observation, therefore it by definition does not belong in a science class.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't disagree more.
I tend to approach religion and spirituality in a scholarly approach. I was raised a christian, was turned from my faith through access to information, but by a function of that further access to information and my further pressing of the issues, after a while I came full circle back to my faith. The reason wasn't whimsical as much as it was analytical when considering all the cultures.
A failure of the mechanistic viewpoint of consciousness is the existence of this self reflective thing we call reason. While I agree with most of what you said regarding the circumstances upon which certain beliefs are based, I remove myself from your line of thinking in topic of limiting oneself to only one philosophy.
I believe spirituality or consciousness does have a place in Science class for it addresses the deepest levels of our existence. Not so much the function as the script. This however would best be taught alongside more metaphysical parts of science such as quantum physics. We must take a 'scientific' approach to the questions that were previously dogmatic, but they are not mutually exclusive. Philosophy has a place in all things, for for all things there is a philosophy.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40387010]I believe spirituality or consciousness does have a place in Science class for it addresses the deepest levels of our existence. Not so much the function as the script. This however would best be taught alongside more metaphysical parts of science such as quantum physics. We must take a 'scientific' approach to the questions that were previously dogmatic, but they are not mutually exclusive. Philosophy has a place in all things, for for all things there is a philosophy.[/QUOTE]
Philosophical reasoning is not a scientific approach to the universe because it lacks empiricism. Consciousness is perception caused by having a brain, there is nothing more to it than that. Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy and is not compatible with data collection.
If spirituality is to be taught in school, it should be called an ethics class, since it functions as a psychological behavioral modification by responding to an emotion.
I always used to contemplate reincarnation as a child, even have weird dreams relating to it. Although I never knew the word reincarnation, or the belief systems that use it until I was much older.
So I kept that as my belief. I however believe no religion.
May just be how the human mind works, make up scenario's to the thing you believe is real to you.
[QUOTE=ljonny;40388335]I always used to contemplate reincarnation as a child, even have weird dreams relating to it. Although I never knew the word reincarnation, or the belief systems that use it until I was much older.
So I kept that as my belief. I however believe no religion.[/QUOTE]
A religion is not a belief, a religion is a set of rules of societal conduct sometimes including one or more deities as one of the rule: Monotheism and polytheism. For example Buddhism is an atheistic religion.
It's okay I forgive you Stormcharger, I wasn't upset lol.
And for that comment "religion is self-defense for death", that makes no sense.
Our brain is designed with the possibility of an Intelligent Designer in mind, as religious and spirituality are found in roleplay in the brain. That hasn't nothing to do with coping death. And I think you're just assuming Christians are pussies when it comes to death and they need their hand held. Which isn't the case, I'm still relatively agnostic (independently spiritual though), and I used to be obsessed with death, I wanted to be a mortician and everything. I absolutely can't wait to die. I have faith in the possibility of an afterlife.
Besides, heaven would be another dimension, there's a video where a physicist says God is in the 7th dimension. How exactly hard is it to believe that? Not hard for me (I used to read a lot of physics). And besides, you don't see the possibility for higher dimensional beings either? This universe is spectacular, complex and has open room for infinite possibilities I believe.
[QUOTE=ljonny;40388335]I always used to contemplate reincarnation as a child, even have weird dreams relating to it. Although I never knew the word reincarnation, or the belief systems that use it until I was much older.
So I kept that as my belief. I however believe no religion.
May just be how the human mind works, make up scenario's to the thing you believe is real to you.[/QUOTE]
Ah really? I used to think this for a little while, but a lot of people in my class were attempting to find out why I don't believe in Christianity (like everyone else in this area..) explained myself, and they attempted to call what I believe, a religion. Sorry for my mistake.
What if in the future, all our grandchildren would participate in a dumb fashion to paint their hair in wacky haircolor.
[quote]You remember it well; it is true that you saw these things in sleep, but I would have you know that even now you are seeing in sleep. Hearing this, Gennadius was persuaded of its truth, and in his reply declared that he believed it. The teacher went on to say: Where is your body now? He answered: In my bed. Do you know, said the youth, that the eyes in this body of yours are now bound and closed, and at rest, and that with these eyes you see nothing? He answered: I know it. [b]What, then, said the youth, are the eyes with which you see me?[/b][/quote]
[QUOTE=Scoooooby;40391349]And for that comment "religion is self-defense for death", that makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
I meant the spiritual notion it is built on.
[QUOTE=Scoooooby;40391349]Our brain is designed with the possibility of an Intelligent Designer in mind, as religious and spirituality are found in roleplay in the brain. That hasn't nothing to do with coping death. And I think you're just assuming Christians are pussies when it comes to death and they need their hand held. Which isn't the case, I'm still relatively agnostic (independently spiritual though), and I used to be obsessed with death, I wanted to be a mortician and everything. I absolutely can't wait to die. I have faith in the possibility of an afterlife. [/QUOTE]
So obviously your spirituality have liberated you from fear of death?
[QUOTE=Scoooooby;40391349]Besides, heaven would be another dimension, there's a video where a physicist says God is in the 7th dimension. How exactly hard is it to believe that? Not hard for me (I used to read a lot of physics). And besides, you don't see the possibility for higher dimensional beings either? This universe is spectacular, complex and has open room for infinite possibilities I believe.[/QUOTE]
Of course it is not hard for you to believe that, because you're a man of faith. For the scientific part I would like one example of an empirical observable repeatable experiment that proves a seventh dimension even exists.
[QUOTE=Scoooooby;40391349]Besides, heaven would be another dimension, there's a video where a physicist says God is in the 7th dimension. How exactly hard is it to believe that? Not hard for me (I used to read a lot of physics). And besides, you don't see the possibility for higher dimensional beings either? This universe is spectacular, complex and has open room for infinite possibilities I believe.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you read enough physics if "God is in the 7th dimension" isn't hard for you to believe.
[QUOTE=mrhippieguy;40253433]Maybe a context-grasping AI for real-world interaction is beyond our capabilities, but what about a virtual AI, one in which the context is created and commented on by itself? The game becomes more like the dream of the computer met by the player, or the developer.
Rather than writing a hundred AIs for different characters, why not write one massive controller AI inside of which all context is contained and other apparently sentient entities are extensions of its consciousness, filtered through a few variables and a few event assignments(memories).
Would it not be a short step from the virtual consciousness to real-world awakening? Just a few cameras, maybe a scanner for more clear 3D perception, some microphones and audio comparison algorithms
but that'd be slow as shit unless piped through a good gpu
I wonder if OpenCL can do all that
I'm rambling, but my point is, how deep does the mimicry have to go before the machine is considered conscious? We're sacks of chemicals attached to a point-of-consciousness, what makes us so special? Could a point-of-consciousness be in everything, but but so encumbered by lack of brain that it never awakens? Would but the power to understand give sentience to anything? Could your pet rock eventually roll onto your lap for attention? Will the tree hug you back, given the ability?
Granted there's no evidence to support this conjecture, which is why there's so many question marks. Just brain vomit, no wholesome food for thought.[/QUOTE]
thats basically the human race
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;40403057]I don't think you read enough physics if "God is in the 7th dimension" isn't hard for you to believe.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.com/2007/11/is-god-in-seventh-dimension.html[/url]
[video=youtube;oKKw_QilTcQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKKw_QilTcQ[/video]
i'm not a physicist, but i've read physics. jesus
That guy sure seems credible :v:
Why would he not be. He has a collection of very thorough videos about the multiverse. I'm sure he's got a degree.
And his channel has 7.5 million views.
And stop trolling.
Im not trolling. The amount of his views means nothing and you can talk convincing shit about the multiverse and hippies eat it up like candy. If he knows so much about the multiverse then why doesn't he have at least a wikipedia page considering hes saying stuff that if it were scientifically credible he would be famous in the scientific world?
It seems to me you just got suckered in by a guy talking convincing sounding shit.
He even says this "This project began as a set of songs for a "concept album" about the nature of reality…The "theory of reality" that I advance on this website and in the book "Imagining the Tenth Dimension" is not the one that is commonly accepted by today's physicists."
What makes him better than todays physicists? normally people who say that almost everyone else is wrong are wrong themselves.
Also his video is shit quality with a crappy greenscreen background which always screams uncredible as fuck.
Why do you assume he has a degree?
I'm just going to leave that alone.
You can tell Michio Kaku he's a dumb chink while you're at it.
I simply meant for it to be plausible.
This is all I could find on his background [url]http://www.talkingdogstudios.com/personnel/bios/rbryanton.html[/url]
No mention of a physics degree which you would need (minimum) to even begin to make claims like he does.
Also if you even began to research his credibility (as I have for the past 15-30min) you would notice how lots of people who actually study string theory and quantum mechanics point out that his ideas on it are incredibly wrong.
Don't get suckered in by a crazy dude making shit up and then call me a troll for pointing out how not credible he seems.
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what does Michio Kaku have to do with this?
The thing is, whether he's an enthusiast or not. It's not his theory (string theory, multiverse in general).
So the credibility is irrelevant. I'm not debating.
Imaging the 10th dimension is entirely his theory he wrote it and made it all up whilst grasping at proper physics theories to make him seem more credible.
Why would you not debate this?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory[/url]
There you go. I'm not debating.
What im saying is that his work doesn't match up with that, he just got the vague idea from it and built upon it with layers of bullshit.
I mean honestly if you are going to be seriously talking about multiverses the average person shouldn't really be able to understand all the theory behind it and it can't really be simplified because you are in the ridiculous part of physics.
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