they should have a "diagnosis" option under the about me thingy in profile in facebook
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;37742626]also time is experienced subjectively. when you put "time" through the filter of the human mind it passes by at a great array of different speeds.[/QUOTE]
Everything is experienced subjectively, everything is different to everyone. but they can be objectively measured and proven to exist
You know how drugs can cause you to experience time slower/faster? I wonder if different species experience time differently? e.g cats experience time to pass faster than dogs.
[QUOTE=Panto;37748754]You know how drugs can cause you to experience time slower/faster? I wonder if different species experience time differently? e.g cats experience time to pass faster than dogs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Faren;37734582]sometimes I wonder if there are other beings that experience time passing at a different rate to us[/QUOTE]
technically time is the fourth dimension, and the string theory states that there are 11 dimensions so if there were beings "living" in higher dimensions the way they "experience" time would be significantly different. it's hard to imagine because our brains aren't physically capable of imagining anything higher than the 3rd dimension. they would be able to look at time as we look at 2 dimensional objects on paper. a lot of people think that this would be something like being able to see every single side of a ball at once. another thing to consider that i don't know much about is technically if you move fast enough then time will be moving more slowly. if there were other beings in other possible universes constantly moving at obscene speeds, there is a possibility that they could be experiencing time at a different rate.
whatever time is, we have no fucking clue what it really is.
[QUOTE=AgentBoomstick;37751682]technically time is the fourth dimension, and the string theory states that there are 11 dimensions so if there were beings "living" in higher dimensions the way they "experience" time would be significantly different. it's hard to imagine because our brains aren't physically capable of imagining anything higher than the 3rd dimension. they would be able to look at time as we look at 2 dimensional objects on paper. a lot of people think that this would be something like being able to see every single side of a ball at once. another thing to consider that i don't know much about is technically if you move fast enough then time will be moving more slowly. if there were other beings in other possible universes constantly moving at obscene speeds, there is a possibility that they could be experiencing time at a different rate.[/QUOTE]
uhh time is not the 4th dimension, the 4th dimension is just a step up from the third dimension and things that are 4 dimensional would cast a 3D shadow
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37752319]uhh time is not the 4th dimension, the 4th dimension is just a step up from the third dimension and things that are 4 dimensional would cast a 3D shadow[/QUOTE]
You're both right and wrong - there is a concept of 4-dimensional space but it's completely abstract and impossible for us 3D space and 1D time beings to comprehend. However, we do indeed live in 4-dimensional spacetime called the Minkowski space.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/World_line.svg/481px-World_line.svg.png[/img]
Think of it this way:
Dimension 0: Points, without width, height, or depth.
Dimension 1: Lines, with length.
Dimension 2: Planes, with width and height.
Dimension 3: Volumes, with width, height, and depth. Now here's where it gets tricky. Imagine a 3D scene, and then zoom so far away from it that it effectively becomes a point.
Dimension 4: Imagine something in that scene changes, and think of it as a new point. Now draw a line between the old point and the new point, where the line consists of the integral of motion (the collection of the infinite set of unique 3D states that the point existed in between the start and end points.) This whole set of states is considered 4-dimensional.
For example, consider that computer image files are 2-dimensional. Now consider that we also have 3D displays, which use the infinite set (infinite as in, how far is that pixel from the camera? How far is the pixel next to it? How far is the surface that lies halfway between them, etc) of depth data provided by the difference in location of objects at various distances provided by another image, a second viewpoint (or second eye.) Consider such a set of two images a 3D image file. Now record a bunch of 3D images in succession, connected in 1-dimensional time (time only has length, like lines), and play those images back at the rate they were recorded. The infinite set of time-depth data provided by your mind connecting the multiple images (infinite because your brain fills in the gaps between the frames, everything still exists even when the camera shutter isn't recording between frame exposures) in the context of the already 3D capture adds yet another sense of depth, another dimension, thus bringing us into our world of 4D spacetime.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqeqW3g8N2Q[/media]
i thought that rob bryanton guy was full of shit
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;37754857]i thought that rob bryanton guy was full of shit[/QUOTE]
He might not be the best at explaining things, but he knows what he's talking about.
[quote]Physical theories that incorporate time, such as general relativity, are said to work in 4-dimensional "spacetime", (defined as a Minkowski space). Modern theories tend to be "higher-dimensional" including quantum field and string theories.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension[/url]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Dimension_levels.svg[/img]
[quote]One such theory is the 11-dimensional M-theory, which requires spacetime to have eleven dimensions,[16] as opposed to the usual three spatial dimensions and the fourth dimension of time. The original string theories from the 1980s describe special cases of M-theory where the eleventh dimension is a very small circle or a line, and if these formulations are considered as fundamental, then string theory requires ten dimensions. But the theory also describes universes like ours, [b]with four observable spacetime dimensions[/b], as well as universes with up to 10 flat space dimensions, and also cases where the position in some of the dimensions is not described by a real number, but by a completely different type of mathematical quantity.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory#Number_of_dimensions[/url]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Calabi-Yau.png/600px-Calabi-Yau.png[/img]
[quote]In mathematical physics, Minkowski space or Minkowski spacetime (named after the mathematician Hermann Minkowski) is the mathematical setting in which Einstein's theory of special relativity is most conveniently formulated. In this setting the three ordinary dimensions of space are combined with a single dimension of time to form a four-dimensional manifold for representing a spacetime.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space[/url]
so what if consciousness exists outside of reality/space, and is actually peering inwards
dark matter?
[editline]21st September 2012[/editline]
think about it. apparently it's what makes up like 70 percent of the mass of space or some shit like that.
what if that space we call dark matter is like some kind of collective unconscious or some shit. or like some part of our dimension (or maybe another part of it) where like this other world exists that we can't perceive.
I can't wait for Space Age Slaves to come out Dec. 21st
[QUOTE=and;37753874]You're both right and wrong - there is a concept of 4-dimensional space but it's completely abstract and impossible for us 3D space and 1D time beings to comprehend. However, we do indeed live in 4-dimensional spacetime called the Minkowski space.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/World_line.svg/481px-World_line.svg.png[/img][/QUOTE]
We don't actually live in Minkowski space though, since Minkowski space is flat everywhere. Our space-time is curved.
I've been doing some thinking.
It seems to me that gravity isn't really a force itself, but rather a result of another form of energy. String theory suggests that every particle are different manifestations of vibrating strings, though why do they vibrate? If we assume that matter and energy is a result of entanglements in space itself, the big bang theory would suggest that space always exists everywhere, since empty space is simply the absence of energy. Unoccupied space is therefore not an obstacle for energy, which would mean that every single particle that exists has a rate of expansion, and if every single particle that exists has a rate of expansion it means that gravity is the result of the continuous collision of particles expanding in to each other.
This means that time is merely a result of the pattern in the expansion of matter unfolding itself in to empty space, having resulted in consciousness and intelligence as a part of the pattern is making us experience the universe as a step for step moving environment. Dark matter is simply locations where the entanglements of space are more sparsely distributed, which makes matter able to expand there easier since there are fewer obstacles in the way. Thus making it seem that dark matter has mass since it produces the illusion of gravity.
Black holes would be the result of the pressure of expansion being so great that the entanglement that would define existence itself, untangles itself back to empty space. The acceleration in the expansion of the universe would be a result of every energy in existence taking up more space by its own rate of expansion, making the distances in empty space smaller and smaller to entangle.
This would also lead us to a potential answer of why the universe exists: Since space can entangle with itself, the strain of infinite emptiness would have to collapse, and since time really doesn't exist we're simply seeing the inevitability of existence unfolding itself. Also, without time, the question of what we are as conscious beings would be a simple answer: Fluctuations of energy that's designed to experience the illusion of time in a mathematical pattern of existence, simply defined by our location in the universe without the dimension of time.
I need a drink.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;37763112]We don't actually live in Minkowski space though, since Minkowski space is flat everywhere. Our space-time is curved.[/QUOTE]
On a universal scale yes, but that's not really relevant to explaining the large dimensions at a basic level.
[QUOTE=and;37765674]On a universal scale yes, but that's not really relevant to explaining the large dimensions at a basic level.[/QUOTE]
I'd think gravity is important at a basic level and the curvature of space-time causes it
[QUOTE=Panto;37748754]You know how drugs can cause you to experience time slower/faster? I wonder if different species experience time differently? e.g cats experience time to pass faster than dogs.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the faster your brain processes sensory input the slower you perceive time (or something like that). That's why flies are so good at avoiding even my pro rolled-up newspaper skills, they basically live in bullet time
na man you just suck at hitting flies
[QUOTE=Gurant;36303809]When I tried acid for the first time my mind was completely blown. I have been talking to the gods in my brain, the ones pulling all the strings, and actually made them change some of my bad habits. And I think it cured my depression. Sounds like mumbo jumbo, and it probably is! But I'm so convinced that I actually was there, mentally, and I could almost feel how my brain reconnected and restructured itself.
And after that I am certain that there is no other god than the ones you have inside yourself. I really understand how some people can be religious, because it really felt godlike!
I'm probably not making a lot of sense, but yeah[/QUOTE]
dude... word
Meditating is pretty sweet while you're blazed
and you feel fucking fantastic after
I just end up feeling like I wasted time being blazed :v:
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;37784735]Meditating is pretty sweet while you're blazed
and you feel fucking fantastic after[/QUOTE]
there are so many gurus who would give you shit for using weed while meditating. i totally disagree because all weed is doing is giving you a different neurological mindset and it's possible to change your neurological mindset without drugs. in other words it's possible to go into meditation with a different mindset without ever having used a drug before, so using weed is no different. also meditation is straight up subjective, not everybody meditates for the same goal. i agree with stormcharger though, when i get blazed i'm not trying to sit around doing nothing, i'm trying to go out or watch a movie or listen to music or something.
[QUOTE=AgentBoomstick;37788932]there are so many gurus who would give you shit for using weed while meditating. i totally disagree because all weed is doing is giving you a different neurological mindset and it's possible to change your neurological mindset without drugs. in other words it's possible to go into meditation with a different mindset without ever having used a drug before, so using weed is no different. also meditation is straight up subjective, not everybody meditates for the same goal. i agree with stormcharger though, when i get blazed i'm not trying to sit around doing nothing, i'm trying to go out or watch a movie or listen to music or something.[/QUOTE]
there's also many gurus who would praise someone for meditating when high. you said yourself that meditation is subjective, so if someone wants to use drugs to enhance their meditative experience (which for many people, it sure as hell does), there's nothing wrong with that.
[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;37789745]there's also many gurus who would praise someone for meditating when high. you said yourself that meditation is subjective, so if someone wants to use drugs to enhance their meditative experience (which for many people, it sure as hell does), there's nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE]
absolutely, that's why i said i disagree with the gurus who think using drugs to aid in meditation is wrong.
[QUOTE=Faren;37734582]sometimes I wonder if there are other beings that experience time passing at a different rate to us[/QUOTE]
Time passes at the same time pretty much, but as for how long a day goes on it largely depends on the axis of the planet, distance from its sun and so on. So our day 23hours and 50-something minutes could be just about ANY number on a scale of seconds and minutes on some other planet.
but that's not what you asked after all? you mean if some beings even on earth experience time passing at a different rate to us? Well.. dogs, lambs and camels do seem to tolerate boredom significantly better than humans.
Is suicide illegal
[QUOTE=G71tc4;37791783]Is suicide illegal[/QUOTE]
I remember a few years ago, the mayor of some town in France told the citizens of the town to "stop dying" because their cemetery was so full or some shit.
[QUOTE=G71tc4;37791783]Is suicide illegal[/QUOTE]
kind of depends, they can't really do much after your dead except bill your family for any police related shit, but then they might not as a courtesy thing, I dunno..
alternatively, you could get charged with shit if you cause a nuisance trying to kill yourself but fail
[editline]25th September 2012[/editline]
Imo suicide should never be considered unless you're in one of those rare situations where it's really, REALLY not worth living anymore (like you've lost the ability to ever move again, or something, you know euthanasia type things)
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37790025]Time passes at the same time pretty much, but as for how long a day goes on it largely depends on the axis of the planet, distance from its sun and so on. So our day 23hours and 50-something minutes could be just about ANY number on a scale of seconds and minutes on some other planet.
but that's not what you asked after all? you mean if some beings even on earth experience time passing at a different rate to us? Well.. dogs, lambs and camels do seem to tolerate boredom significantly better than humans.[/QUOTE]
i don't think he's talking about the man-made concept of time, but more the actual idea of "duration" as a dimension itself. when you go as far as imagining the fifth and sixth dimensions, you have to wonder that if someone were "living" in the fifth dimension that they would be able to look at "time" as if it were a 3d object looking down on a 2d object. in this sense, it would probably be possible for beings to experience time very, very differently.
I believe it's a person's choice whether they want to live or not, regardless of how 'selfish' to others it may seem, if that person was really suffering enough to want to die, it's pretty selfish to keep them alive. But you should always try to help as much as possible. Suicide is a pretty hard thing to wrap your head around.
About the time thing, isn't the idea of like ten dimensions not including time as the fourth? Like, the fourth dimension in that theory is a whole new dimension to the third, such as you can look down from the third dimension at a two dimensional plane and it appears flat, the 3rd dimension would seem flat from the fourth. It's sort of like an ant on paper (shamelessly stolen from a video I once saw trying to explain the concept of several dimensions). The paper is flat, but if you curve the paper and make it into a circle, the ant can continuously walk, and to him it always appear flat, but in fact, he will round the paper, reach the end, and not knowingly end up at the beginning again.
holy fuck my head
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