Creative Work That Doesn't Deserve A Thread V5 <Dongery Penis Edition> - General

[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;27302685]No, a Whand Sale[/QUOTE] Now incorporate that to Arrakis

I was planning to, but then the weather suddenly turned into don't give a fuck. Someday. Someday, tough.

If I take a picture of something, print out the picture, and then use a lightbox to basically trace it, is that cheating?

Does anyone know where to get decent character drawing tutorials for tablets? So far I've only found this one, and it's pretty lacking certain details: [url]http://www.foxprints.com/tracy/misc/tutorial/char_drawing.html[/url] Only thing I can draw so far is this abomination: [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/CCGiDA.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Barnhouse;27304277]If I take a picture of something, print out the picture, and then use a lightbox to basically trace it, is that cheating?[/QUOTE] There's no cheating in Art. There's ways that inglude being original, skilled and not tracing and then theres ways that bring in money. [editline]9th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=G-foxisus;27304341]Does anyone know where to get decent character drawing tutorials for tablets? So far I've only found this one, and it's pretty lacking certain details: [url]http://www.foxprints.com/tracy/misc/tutorial/char_drawing.html[/url] Only thing I can draw so far is this abomination: [img_thumb]http://i.cubeupload.com/CCGiDA.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Throw the tablet away and do traditional work is the only tutorial I can think of from the top of my head. Fucking christmas everyone got tablet.

[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;27304818]There's no cheating in Art. There's ways that inglude being original, skilled and not tracing and then theres ways that bring in money. [editline]9th January 2011[/editline] Throw the tablet away and do traditional work is the only tutorial I can think of from the top of my head. Fucking christmas everyone got tablet.[/QUOTE] I didn't get one :saddowns: [editline]9th January 2011[/editline] I did get sony vegas though

[QUOTE=G-foxisus;27304341]Does anyone know where to get decent character drawing tutorials for tablets? [/QUOTE] Your best bet is probably to start with the basics, get some Loomis books for anatomy and use whatever medium you have to follow them. I don't see why learning anatomy with tablet should be any different than with traditional mediums. [editline]9th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;27304818] Fucking christmas everyone got tablet.[/QUOTE] Happens every year

Whos loomy and why everyone on /ic/ having a massive hardon for him?

Dunno what /ic/ is but Figure Drawing for All It's Worth is pretty definitive anatomy book. [url]http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Loomis%20Figure%20Draw.pdf[/url] [url]http://alexhays.com/loomis/[/url] Obviously not the only way to learn anatomy, but like you said people like to use and recommend it. I've done a few of his studies and I'm sure if I'd have the patience to do more of them it'd help me tremendeously. :P

[QUOTE=PLing;27305340]Dunno what /ic/ is but Figure Drawing for All It's Worth is pretty definitive anatomy book. [URL="http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Loomis%20Figure%20Draw.pdf"]http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Loomis%20Figure%20Draw.pdf[/URL] [URL]http://alexhays.com/loomis/[/URL] Obviously not the only way to learn anatomy, but like you said people like to use and recommend it. I've done a few of his studies and I'm sure if I'd have the patience to do more of them it'd help me tremendeously. :P[/QUOTE] Thanks PLing, I'll try them out!

[QUOTE=jenny7332;27301012]It doesn't really look japanese to me, you could make it look like a brush stroke. Or you could try playing on the ancient japanese writing order, you know top to bottom like: [img_thumb]http://www.sierra-enterprises.com/grimp/7k50a.jpg[/img_thumb] and placing it maybe in a rubber stamp thing like: [img_thumb]http://www2.ambientdesign.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3039&stc=1&d=1159141514[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] that's a pretty badass idea, maybe I could do Oni in small caps in a rubber stamp or something? possibly with strokish looking letters?

[quote] the mass indenity theft has left the strong weak headless birds running in circles fixated on the past and the bullshit they seek inbread goths who don't know who their daddy is they throw the blame on their idols and hope it sticks little do they know about the circle jerk circus and the text based abominations they entrail behind precious indenities confined by stupidity and consumerism their faces have been fined burry the hatchet throw it away but what is now hidden is the joy of punk clouded their vision the goggles were the wrong prescription and their portals covered with the thick big top spunk impressed by the wheel of fortune tirvia they know it feeds their grotesque egos even after the show this 20 gigabyte chunk of extra puzzle pieces is only new to plastered mirror which houses Edward Scissorhands what was once so edgy and new is now a Hot Topic argued by fans the lost discussions are now only comments whos shapeless characters only spell qwerty and lol the bombardment of radiowaves and microwaves has taken its toll everything is cooked at an even 3:30 even our thoughts which were once concidered dirty it is at the point where I must degress the ritalin must have woren off I feel that is okay coz Youtube comments are fake and gay [/quote] A poem I wrote.

[QUOTE=Nonikai;27291835][img_thumb]http://cl.ly/0M270o072f1r0l0i2w3Z/Screen_shot_2011-01-09_at_1.20.26_AM.PNG[/img_thumb] WIP, just a sketch up really. I'm not entirely sure how to improve off of there, but the theme is Japanese Devil and logo style is metal band.[/QUOTE] I kinda like it as it is. But for a metal band, and Japanese style you are completely off. You need a much rougher and wilder looking font. Metal isn't a sweet and calm music style, you need to express that through the logo, because the logo is supposed to REPRESENT THE BAND. By looking at a logo you should get a rough idea of what kind of a band/organization/company/store it is, what they do and in this case, what they sound like, at least to some extent. Jenny's ideas are very good. You should definitely get the wild calligraphy look for it if you're aiming for Japanese. The Japs are crazy about all sorts of different ways to DRAW their letters, they don't write, they draw. Look up lots of different Japanese texts and try to create a similar effect that you like and find to represent the rough though metal music the band is playing. Definitely try to find a way to make it in a square shape or a wide rectangle shape. After all a logo should be easy to place anywhere on a piece of paper, a cover, a poster or whatever, make it easy to put in and distinct itself from the rest of whatever it is placed on so that people see it.

Sketching comic pages [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jI6F7.png[/IMG] looks like a fucking mess

At least you get anatomy detlef...

[QUOTE=technologic;27311657]At least you get anatomy detlef...[/QUOTE] I read that in a very sad voice

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5241/5340843500_b43dacdd01_z.jpg[/img][IMG]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockerdude/5340843500/[/IMG] New Shirt design. Yummy! :v:

Looks good but the gradient on the font should be in the same pixel art style. It doesn't match.

[QUOTE=strider;27314646]Looks good but the gradient on the font should be in the same pixel art style. It doesn't match.[/QUOTE] I see your point, I'll have a go later :smile:

why, oh why do I never get critique. Am I not pretty enough is that it?

[QUOTE=Detlef;27314905]why, oh why do I never get critique. Am I not pretty enough is that it?[/QUOTE] I don't see much that needs critique. Color it I guess.

[QUOTE=BipolarPanda;27314940]I don't see much that needs critique. Color it I guess.[/QUOTE] No I mean like generally, I post loads of stuff in this thread but it never gets any c&c. I want it and I think I deserve it.

[QUOTE=Detlef;27315062]No I mean like generally, I post loads of stuff in this thread but it never gets any c&c. I want it and I think I deserve it.[/QUOTE] We only critique what we feel like critiquing. Usually giving criticism is such a bother that only those that are easy to critique or the ones that are downright terrible and a nice excuse to blow off steam on gets critic. And it's not like this is a thread for constructive criticism, it's just a place to post stuff not thread worthy. And to add up to it you didn't ask for criticism either.

I give up on this, it's good enough. Some Combine propaganda. [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/G65zsv.jpg[/img]

but but aaaaaaaagh

[QUOTE=Detlef;27315160]but but aaaaaaaagh[/QUOTE] In all of your posts I have seen, I don't see any problems with them.

[QUOTE=exhale77;27315147]I give up on this, it's good enough. Some Combine propaganda. [img_thumb]http://i.cubeupload.com/G65zsv.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] It's... Safer... Here... Shouldn't it say: "[B]It's safer here[/B](!)"? And why is "safer" and "here" tucked up in the metro-cops? Especially look how the text looks in the thumbed image here. Way too much distance between them and way too much up in the masks. "It's" is also placed too close to the edge/left side.

[QUOTE=Detlef;27311518]Sketching comic pages looks like a fucking mess[/QUOTE] You want criticism? Ok. To be honest I have a huge range of issues, so we will organize it nicely. 1. Your style. Yes style is a personal choice, but it still needs to be addressed. The style is too close to manga and with it being coupled with a zombie theme the comic comes off feeling stale and unoriginal. Even more-so, it comes off with a feeling someone immature wrote this, so I can't take the story very seriously. 2. Variation. Another annoyance that stems from your style choice is everyone looks the fucking same. You need to learn variations in anatomy, body language and facial emotions. Everyone has messy, vector hair that if the comic wasnt in color I would be confused as hell. Even WITH the color, I at first thought the zombie attacking the main character WAS the main character. Secondly, all your characters are lanky and around the same height. Yes, fat people would be hard to find in a zombie apocalypse, but there can be thicker people or shorter people. So far you have stuck to one body type. Third, your eyes and noses need to have variation as they play a huge role in defining an individual. 3. Character Your character design is horrible. You have them dressed up either as the generic gas mask zombie pro, or the stylish, rebellious teenager. The characters are designed to look "cool" and not functional. Even the gas mask dude looks ridiculous in this kind of scenario. The gas mask for one is useless as it obstructs vision and the virus has already been classified as a blood disease. Thinking out the small details and actually applying logic is what makes a great comic, you want everything thought out. So you have to think logically. Also planning out what a character wears also has to do with their personality. The main character and his friend seem obsessed with zombies and have obviously been seasoned in studying them, they even predict the apocalypse. Someone this comfortable with zombies would obviously be smart enough to dress appropriately. He wouldnt dress in a stylish sweater and tee. When developing a character, you have to think like them and thus be them. Inserting your logic or some other wardrobe completely kills the character. So I advise you redesign what they wear, and how their hair is. Also on the subject of redesign, your characters are stale and generic. You got the quiet thinker, the mysterious bad ass and the cocky, impulsive dude that acts as comedic relief. You need to develop them further, so they can be unique and when that uniqueness comes, theyll dress for their part. You have to let them develop and act in the way they would act, no matter how stupid or unlike you it is. Body language also applies here. You have two people in the above comic, and its a bit of a ways into the comic. If I wear to clothe them identically I would not be able to tell them apart. You need to give them unique body language, all you have so far is the comfortable cool guy sit. The main character as seen before is an introvert and very logical. Obviously his interaction with a stranger in a place he doesnt know wouldnt be falling asleep or sitting bored. He would be erect and would use very few words with the stranger, only enough to achieve what he needs to know. Its planning like that, that sucks you into a story. You need to expand. 4. Story. Your story so far is generic and has holes. As applied to earlier, you have to think like the character and make them interesting. So far they seem fake and unrelated to any trait of mine and this creates a barrier between the reader and the story. You want these people to have flaws and you need to think out how they would act in these situations. Because of this, major plot holes appear. One is that the main character has obviously been up to date with the zombies and has been researching them for a while. As said before he accurately predicts a zombie apocalypse, but when we jump ahead to see him he is struggling to survive. This character has come off logical and has had plenty time to see the apocalypse coming, he even has a journal recording the events. With this presented, you would think that the character would have prepared, stocking up on weapons, armor, food, and anything else needed in a zombie apocalypse. This hole in the story contradicts the exact characters nature to be logical as he is owned by one zombie while wearing horrible clothing for protection or camouflage while having no weapon what-so-ever. Another plot hole is that the world is aware of this threat, but it is only in third world countries so the large world powers doesnt care.This comes off as bullshit, because the obvious infection rate has been observed by the governments (they even have troops fighting them), that they would instantly consider it a serious threat. Also judging by how the boys knew the outcome during the news report, the situation has occurred many times so there would be even more video evidence for the governments to see the deadliness of the zombies. The story comes of as fake because the governments have huge standing armies and are aware of the threat, and would not simply ignore the infections. Take the example of malaria, it is not present in the USA yet they force people traveling to take the malaria shots. They still view the threat and handle it accordingly, and that is just a lowly disease. If something of this nature popped up, all resources would be pooled into blowing these fuckers off the face of the earth. Overall the comic is nice and interesting, but there are huge flaws and issues that arise. I would highly recommend stopping and giving the comic more thought and then continue production of it.

[QUOTE=1chains1;27316206]You want criticism? Ok. To be honest I have a huge range of issues, so we will organize it nicely. 1. Your style. Yes style is a personal choice, but it still needs to be addressed. The style is too close to manga and with it being coupled with a zombie theme the comic comes off feeling stale and unoriginal. Even more-so, it comes off with a feeling someone immature wrote this, so I can't take the story very seriously. 2. Variation. Another annoyance that stems from your style choice is everyone looks the fucking same. You need to learn variations in anatomy, body language and facial emotions. Everyone has messy, vector hair that if the comic wasnt in color I would be confused as hell. Even WITH the color, I at first thought the zombie attacking the main character WAS the main character. Secondly, all your characters are lanky and around the same height. Yes, fat people would be hard to find in a zombie apocalypse, but there can be thicker people or shorter people. So far you have stuck to one body type. Third, your eyes and noses need to have variation as they play a huge role in defining an individual. 3. Character Your character design is horrible. You have them dressed up either as the generic gas mask zombie pro, or the stylish, rebellious teenager. The characters are designed to look "cool" and not functional. Even the gas mask dude looks ridiculous in this kind of scenario. The gas mask for one is useless as it obstructs vision and the virus has already been classified as a blood disease. Thinking out the small details and actually applying logic is what makes a great comic, you want everything thought out. So you have to think logically. Also planning out what a character wears also has to do with their personality. The main character and his friend seem obsessed with zombies and have obviously been seasoned in studying them, they even predict the apocalypse. Someone this comfortable with zombies would obviously be smart enough to dress appropriately. He wouldnt dress in a stylish sweater and tee. When developing a character, you have to think like them and thus be them. Inserting your logic or some other wardrobe completely kills the character. So I advise you redesign what they wear, and how their hair is. Also on the subject of redesign, your characters are stale and generic. You got the quiet thinker, the mysterious bad ass and the cocky, impulsive dude that acts as comedic relief. You need to develop them further, so they can be unique and when that uniqueness comes, theyll dress for their part. You have to let them develop and act in the way they would act, no matter how stupid or unlike you it is. Body language also applies here. You have two people in the above comic, and its a bit of a ways into the comic. If I wear to clothe them identically I would not be able to tell them apart. You need to give them unique body language, all you have so far is the comfortable cool guy sit. The main character as seen before is an introvert and very logical. Obviously his interaction with a stranger in a place he doesnt know wouldnt be falling asleep or sitting bored. He would be erect and would use very few words with the stranger, only enough to achieve what he needs to know. Its planning like that, that sucks you into a story. You need to expand. 4. Story. Your story so far is generic and has holes. As applied to earlier, you have to think like the character and make them interesting. So far they seem fake and unrelated to any trait of mine and this creates a barrier between the reader and the story. You want these people to have flaws and you need to think out how they would act in these situations. Because of this, major plot holes appear. One is that the main character has obviously been up to date with the zombies and has been researching them for a while. As said before he accurately predicts a zombie apocalypse, but when we jump ahead to see him he is struggling to survive. This character has come off logical and has had plenty time to see the apocalypse coming, he even has a journal recording the events. With this presented, you would think that the character would have prepared, stocking up on weapons, armor, food, and anything else needed in a zombie apocalypse. This hole in the story contradicts the exact characters nature to be logical as he is owned by one zombie while wearing horrible clothing for protection or camouflage while having no weapon what-so-ever. Another plot hole is that the world is aware of this threat, but it is only in third world countries so the large world powers doesnt care.This comes off as bullshit, because the obvious infection rate has been observed by the governments (they even have troops fighting them), that they would instantly consider it a serious threat. Also judging by how the boys knew the outcome during the news report, the situation has occurred many times so there would be even more video evidence for the governments to see the deadliness of the zombies. The story comes of as fake because the governments have huge standing armies and are aware of the threat, and would not simply ignore the infections. Take the example of malaria, it is not present in the USA yet they force people traveling to take the malaria shots. They still view the threat and handle it accordingly, and that is just a lowly disease. If something of this nature popped up, all resources would be pooled into blowing these fuckers off the face of the earth. Overall the comic is nice and interesting, but there are huge flaws and issues that arise. I would highly recommend stopping and giving the comic more thought and then continue production of it.[/QUOTE] Holy shit this is what I needed. You are right in almost every aspect, though there are some things in the story that doesn't make sense now, but will later (flashbacks and such) And yeah I haven't been giving it as much thought as I probably should. Planning takes time and I hate not getting pages done so I guess I sort of rush it. Afraid that the readers will lose interest probably. And about the characters, yes yes I am horrible at drawing them unique. I know that and I'm really struggling with it, and as for outfits, yes they will change, just give it some time. Actually to be honest I haven't given the comic very much planning at all. I came up with a basic plot this summer and just went along with it with little to no planning. I should't have done that but I didn't think so many people would actually read it. But overall the comic needs time. It's only been 41 pages. I am abit overwhelmed, I never get that long and detailed critique. But thanks I know I needed it. But uhm, what do you mean that if you clothed the characters in the above comic alike you would not be able to tell them apart? You don't know what the gasmask guy actually looks like.

How their body language is. They all sit and move and react like each other. edit- to improve on variation, just practice drawing different body types. Practice cures all. Also there is nothing wrong with taking a break and making it better, if you advertise it when you repost it, people will come.