Redwall: the Evillest Children's Book Series of All Time
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[QUOTE=mugofdoom;33809163]Didn't you post the exact same thread a year or so back?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TH89;33804762]I know man! I never said ferrets weren't adorable.
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:)
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itt ferret appreciation society
this is ella
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she lives in dressing gown hoods
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and pringles tins
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and likes eating people food
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and thinks she's a cat.
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mmmm tea
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oh god last one
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33809931]because uruks weren't slaved to his power, they had individuality. that's why they followed saruman at the end instead of going back into their holes like the rest of the orcs.
besides, sauron was busy doing his crazy experiments as the necromancer in murkwood, trying to find the rings of power and other magical artifacts
there was also the problem with uruks and orcs not getting along all that well[/QUOTE]
oh i was under the assumption that the helm's deep failure spelt the end of the uruk experiment, but i can't really remember.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;33810569]itt ferret appreciation society
this is ella
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she lives in dressing gown hoods
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and pringles tins
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and likes eating people food
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and thinks she's a cat.
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mmmm tea
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oh god last one
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hellspawns
Junie B Jones was the evilest book created honestly. Basicly, the girl is the devil and she goes out of her way to ruin happy Christians.
What about Amelia Bedelia? A witch if I've ever seen one.
[QUOTE=Lucinice;33805808]It's hilarious you wrote this the same day as cracked wrote about racist kids books
[URL]http://www.cracked.com/article_19610_the-6-most-secretly-racist-classic-childrens-books.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
They say tintin in congo is secretly racist.
It's not even a secret it was considered a fact at the time of its first publication that black people were large children.
It just pictures what everyone thought back then, there's not really anything "secret" about it.
I like Redwall ):
I read the entire series when I was younger. Several times. They were very well written books.
[QUOTE=Jah Mason;33806174]I swear I watched an animated series of this?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=BigOwl;33793561]At least I'm not a dinosaur whose a member of the KKK[/QUOTE]
The dinosaur KKK is actually pretty chill. Mostly because there are so many colors nobody has a fucking clue which is the master race.
I always rooted for the villains, personally. Bunch of self-righteous, greedy-ass mice lived in the abbey... and don't get me started on the badgers of Salamandastron.
Brian Jacques and George R.R. Martin should team up and make a cooking book.
I can't speak to Redwall since I never read it (or even heard of it before reading this thread) but it does highlight something that really bothers me in fiction - authors who think morality is binary. Movies and video games seem the most guilty of this, although the thread here proves that books aren't innocent of it either.
Also, the news does it. It's always the shining paragon fighting against evil, evil usually being in a desert country somewhere.
People really need to get a damned clue, and it pisses me off when I find out about children's books enforcing this stupid belief.
[QUOTE=Robojobo1;33812832]Brian Jacques and George R.R. Martin should team up and make a cooking book.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, I've never known A Song of Ice and Fire to be too descriptive of food.
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;33814924]Hmm, I've never known A Song of Ice and Fire to be too descriptive of food.[/QUOTE]
are you serious
I've read A Song of Ice and Fire, and the food tends to be plonked onto the page.
This thread is giving me deja vu.
Seriously was it resurrected or something?
The picture on the front looked boring so I never read them
I don't get it though did you just get bored and decide to repost this? That would be weird because that would mean you save your OP's or something.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33813141]I can't speak to Redwall since I never read it (or even heard of it before reading this thread) but it does highlight something that really bothers me in fiction - authors who think morality is binary. Movies and video games seem the most guilty of this, although the thread here proves that books aren't innocent of it either.
Also, the news does it. It's always the shining paragon fighting against evil, evil usually being in a desert country somewhere.
People really need to get a damned clue, and it pisses me off when I find out about children's books enforcing this stupid belief.[/QUOTE]
Well hey, it's not all bad. After all,
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everyone lies
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33813141]I can't speak to Redwall since I never read it (or even heard of it before reading this thread) but it does highlight something that really bothers me in fiction - authors who think morality is binary. Movies and video games seem the most guilty of this, although the thread here proves that books aren't innocent of it either.
Also, the news does it. It's always the shining paragon fighting against evil, evil usually being in a desert country somewhere.
People really need to get a damned clue, and it pisses me off when I find out about children's books enforcing this stupid belief.[/QUOTE]
In any other context I'd agree with you, but subtleties and moral complexity don't really work for children's books. The last thing you want is for kids to not know who the good guy actually is, because then the story just becomes incomprehensible to them.
I remember reading a shitton of the Redwall series when I was in elementary and middle schools, and remarking at the time how so many of them had near-identical plot: Misfit leaves on adventure, Redwall gets attacked, misfit undergoes character development and returns, defeats threat to Redwall and everyone lives happily ever after.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33821880]Well hey, it's not all bad. After all,
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everyone lies[/QUOTE]
Now that game has a good story. Better than a lot of movies I've seen, I can tell you that.
[QUOTE=Robojobo1;33812832]Brian Jacques and George R.R. Martin should team up and make a cooking book.[/QUOTE]
Brian Jaques' feasts couldn't hold a candle to the glory of George R.R. Martin's food based imaginings.
Also: [url]http://innatthecrossroads.com/[/url]
A fan made site dedicated to re-creating dishes from ASOIAF
[url]http://www.redwall.net/kitchen/[/url]
The same for Redwall.
GET COOKIN'!
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33808736]no fuckign no
god damnit i just explained this
the lord of all darkness who was a member of a race of beings who created the world brought elves into his pit of ultimate evil and twisted and tortured them there for hundreds of years and made them into his slaves
jesus it's like you people haven't even READ the silmarillion
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and no they aren't descended from men, those are uruks, which are combinations of orcs and men created by saruman so that he could have an army that could march during the day[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;33794410]i like this thread. i feel that with enough effort though you could probably do this with the majority of fantasy fiction. lord of the rings immediately stands out to me as having really rough undercurrents, like the fact all the black, eastern and indian races in the lore are evil[/QUOTE]
Tolkien addressed this himself way back when he would get letters accusing him of one thing or another. He always maintained that his work didn't have an underlying pathos, there was no metaphors for the actual war he was in, none of the races represented anything beyond how we wrote them in their own universe and so on.
I think that racism is sometimes in the eye of the viewer.
It's kind of a two edged sword to try to find racism in everything.
Racists will just use any supposed racial undertones they discover to reinforce their own ideas.
For some people the reason they see racism everywhere is because they secretly have underlying racist attitudes themselves. Call it benevolent racism but it still doesn't change the fact that they are unable to treat black people like everyone else due to their skin color and act almost over correctly.
Edit: Race is still a major problem to some people, for example white australian persecution complex over the treatment of aboriginals.
[QUOTE=Waffle Boxes;33807691]I got one of my books signed by him :v:[/QUOTE]
I met him and got [I]two[/I] books signed by him
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To OP;
You make a point that the goodies-by-birth do nothing to alleviate the suffering of the vermin.
I recall reading the series and I believe in the book either "High Rhulain" or the one with the bitchmouse in the mousewheelchair, they rescue a fugitive eagle and then set up a few rats with a boat-making shop along a river, after having had them in their company as friends for a while.
So although on the surface it may imply something awful, I have to say the beautifully written series does have some intricate sub-surface themes occuring constanty.
I loved Redwall, I also like Warriors.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;33836307]I loved Redwall, I also like Warriors.[/QUOTE]
Warriors was the shit.
The "union" of shrews are obviously attacking trade unionism and democracy in general as being overly bureacratic and unrepresentative of what the people really need. What a fascist.
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