[QUOTE=Lankist;16003040]No, it's caring about how you would feel if that other human being died. Don't pull this "I just want to help!" shit when other individuals are fully capable of helping themselves.
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Exactly. It's about damn time we dropped the facade.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever been under the effects of addiction? You normally aren't able to help yourself. Especially under opiates, you almost definitely cannot help yourself.
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[QUOTE=protoAuthor;16003053]I'm pretty much fucked when it comes to drugs.
Mostly because I don't want to lose my OPERATOR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, but I'm also afraid of needles, and can't smoke because I want my lungs in pristine condition.[/QUOTE]
Vaporizer.
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;16003053]I'm pretty much fucked when it comes to drugs.
Mostly because I don't want to lose my OPERATOR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, but I'm also afraid of needles, and can't smoke because I want my lungs in pristine condition.[/QUOTE]
LSD/Ectacy/Marijuana are as far as I'll go, anyways heroin really fucks you up and it isn't that good of a trip.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;16003006]Or maybe I care about the person and I wouldn't mind if her decision wasn't going to [b]KILL[/b] her, I'd much rather kiss her than cry over her grave.[/QUOTE]
It's still HER decision. If she wants to risk her life for fun, that's her goddamn choice, not yours. You can express your concern and give your opinion, but to force anything on another human being invariably has the exact opposite result. When you tell someone not to do something, the first thought is "Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?"
You want to look at this under the rose-tinted glasses of compassion? You'll be shoving her away.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003040]individuals are fully capable of helping themselves.[/QUOTE]
She's not entirely capable of helping herself without determination that she couldn't have in the state of depression she's in. Addiction rewires your brain's priorities, and it takes strong will to break it.
I just told her how I felt about her addiction, she told me "it helps to keep the stress away", I'm starting to get more worried.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003040]No, it's caring about how you would feel if that other human being died. Don't pull this "I just want to help!" shit when other individuals are fully capable of helping themselves.
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Exactly. It's about damn time we dropped the facade.[/QUOTE]
So if you cared about someone, and they were on something like drugs, and unable to help themselves. You'd just let them die?
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003097]It's still HER decision. If she wants to risk her life for fun, that's her goddamn choice, not yours. You can express your concern and give your opinion, but to force anything on another human being invariably has the exact opposite result. When you tell someone not to do something, the first thought is "Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?"
You want to look at this under the rose-tinted glasses of compassion? You'll be shoving her away.[/QUOTE]
Heroin, as a narcotic, is not a drug done for fun. It's done for stress relief.
Furthermore, for anyone in this thread who doesn't know her and wants to help her - that is compassion. That is caring for someone you don't even know. If I was able to talk to her I'd go to great lengths to help her because let's face it: depressions and addictions suck.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;16003098]She's not entirely capable of helping herself[/QUOTE]
Oh, so she's incapable of helping herself, but YOU, the high and mighty superior, are?
God Complex.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;16002555]I'm telling her that she can cut down 10mg of oxycodone a week to ween herself down, from the research I've done it's safer to ween yourself from it and it helps the with the withdrawals.
Also please stop with the 'funny/witty' comments they stopped being funny after like the third one.[/QUOTE]
sorry man
I really do hope you can help her out with this though, good luck.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003097]It's still HER decision. If she wants to risk her life for fun, that's her goddamn choice, not yours. You can express your concern and give your opinion, but to force anything on another human being invariably has the exact opposite result. When you tell someone not to do something, the first thought is "Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?"
You want to look at this under the rose-tinted glasses of compassion? You'll be shoving her away.[/QUOTE]
He's not forcing anything on her. He's talking to her about it. He's telling her how he feels. That should be where it stops. Interventions are bullshit, I agree, but talking should always be allowed.
say: "look, i don't want to leave you but i may have to if you continue. please stop."
or
find the pic o kurt cobain after he shot himself, he ran from rehab because he wanted some heroin. it aused him depression, etc.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003109]Oh, so she's incapable of helping herself, but YOU, the high and mighty superior, are?
God Complex.[/QUOTE]
Lanklist, it's not a God complex in this situation. There's a difference between a normal person, and a person jumped up on opiates. I doubt you've endured it, so to be blunt, you aren't as capable as a normal person. You DO need help to get over these things.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;16003107]Heroin, as a narcotic, is not a drug done for fun. It's done for stress relief.[/QUOTE]
Those are synonymous. Now you're arguing semantics.
Replace "fun" with "stress relief".
It's still HER choice to relieve stress in the way she sees fit.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003040]
Exactly. It's about damn time we dropped the facade.[/QUOTE]
So you can't really blame him for wanting to save her?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;16003130]Lanklist, it's not a God complex in this situation. There's a difference between a normal person, and a person jumped up on opiates. I doubt you've endured it, so to be blunt, you aren't as capable as a normal person. You DO need help to get over these things.[/QUOTE]
I have. You are wrong.
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[QUOTE=lmaoboat;16003137]So you can't really blame him for wanting to save her?[/QUOTE]
I can when reality is right behind that thin curtain of compassion.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;16003107]Heroin, as a narcotic, is not a drug done for fun. It's done for stress relief.
[/QUOTE]
Depends who's "Doing" it. Oh, sure, some do it for a reason, but plenty of people do it because they think it's like crack. Those people, to be honest, are fucking idiots.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003109]Oh, so she's incapable of helping herself, but YOU, the high and mighty superior, are?
God Complex.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not. I'm capable of helping breakyourface help her help herself. It's human emotion and probably something you, seeing your childhood story, wouldn't be able to comprehend.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;16003158]No, I'm not. I'm capable of helping breakyourface help her help herself. It's human emotion and probably something you, seeing your childhood story, wouldn't be able to comprehend.[/QUOTE]
That still elevates you above her. You're looking down on the other as a man looks at a dog.
You honestly don't see this? It's pure and utter pompousness. Instead of treating another human being as an equal you treat them like a needy animal who doesn't know its own good, but YOU do.
Flame war finished?
To be honest, if she can't help herself, we can't really help much more anyway.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003172]That still elevates you above her. You're looking down on the other as a man looks at a dog.
You honestly don't see this? It's pure and utter pompousness. Instead of treating another human being as an equal you treat them like a needy animal who doesn't know its own good, but YOU do.[/QUOTE]
I take it you don't have a high opinion of shrinks.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;16003200]I take it you don't have a high opinion of shrinks.[/QUOTE]
I could strangle each and every one of their overzealous, pompous little necks with my iron fist of objectivity and individualism.
Most people take me as a cynic but I am a romantic. To think you can understand another human being so completely is a crock of shit.
We are all snowflakes.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003172]That still elevates you above her. You're looking down on the other as a man looks at a dog.
You honestly don't see this? It's pure and utter pompousness. Instead of treating another human being as an equal you treat them like a needy animal who doesn't know its own good, but YOU do.[/QUOTE]
So you'd let someone you know love because they wanted to do heroin and not even ask them to stop?
Or is this not a problem for you because you can't love anyone?
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;16003200]I take it you don't have a high opinion of shrinks.[/QUOTE]
No. Not many people who have a degree of control over their own mental state do, really.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16003172]That still elevates you above her. You're looking down on the other as a man looks at a dog.
You honestly don't see this? It's pure and utter pompousness. Instead of treating another human being as an equal you treat them like a needy animal who doesn't know its own good, but YOU do.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you're instructing people on how to live their lives and the decisions they should make sort of makes it seem like you think you're superior to them.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;16003227]So you'd let someone you know love because they wanted to do heroin and not even ask them to stop?
Or is this not a problem for you because you can't love anyone?[/QUOTE]
I have the capability to love completely, and in such I have the utmost respect for the decisions of those I hold endearment for. To imply I am uncaring because I have a perspective that does not fit into your little definition of love just solidifies your God complex.
I am much more capable of respect than you have demonstrated you are. Just because I don't respect you or your thoughts doesn't mean I cannot respect, it just means you do not deserve respect.
[QUOTE=ohjea;16003245]The fact that you're instructing people on how to live their lives and the decisions they should make sort of makes it seem like you think you're superior to them.[/QUOTE]
From what i can see, Lankist isn't instructing anyone to do anything. He's just voicing his opinion, which is about all anyone can do here.
[QUOTE=ohjea;16003245]The fact that you're instructing people on how to live their lives and the decisions they should make sort of makes it seem like you think you're superior to them.[/QUOTE]
Well that's because I am.
I have no delusions. I am human and just as capable of a God complex as anyone else. Difference being, I can recognize it. And I don't hide behind the veil of compassion when I tell someone I am better than they are.
It takes one to know one.
[QUOTE=ohjea;16003245]The fact that you're instructing people on how to live their lives and the decisions they should make sort of makes it seem like you think you're superior to them.[/QUOTE]
He thinks he's above everyone, he does this every time I see him in anything besides legal issues. It's stupid to be honest.
Tell her to get some better drugs, heroin is an addictive hallucinogenic drug that really fucks you up, acid on the otherhand doesn't do shit to ya' and you won't get addicted
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