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[QUOTE=MirageKnight;26546184]It brings out some ignorance in people with what it says. It says gays are bad, which brings out the ignorance in people that gays are bad. Without that influence on people, there wouldn't be as many homophobes. That's just one example.[/QUOTE] that's not true at all. almost all my friends are atheist and the majority of them hate gays. you don't need religion to be ignorant. [editline]8th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;26546175]Oh I perfectly agree with their interpretation, seeing as how it's pretty fucking clear.[/QUOTE] ok sorry that a book written thousands of years ago when slavery was the norm isn't up to your moral standards.

Yet another thread made to feel more secure about your choice. I thought atheism stood for not believing in something. Not "hay let's make a thread every 2 minutes bitching about religion" How pretentious.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;26546160]that's the point though. without religion there would still be the same ignorant people. religion has nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE] Yes, but religion gives this ignorance a sense of holiness and self-righteousness. And yes, you can be Atheist and still a complete douche, I'm not denying that one. I think what people here are getting at is "what's the point." There is plenty of evidence to his absense. He haven't found a single thing in the universe that would hint at the intervention of a higher being. Even if he did exist, he doesn't intervene in the universe in any way, making his existance irrelevant. It's difficult for us to understand how in the face of overwhelming evidence against god's existance people still choose to "have faith." I guess that's what most atheists would like to understand.

Nevermind, sounded like a troll.

I'm not Christian, and I also don't believe morality requires religion. BUT. I tend to follow some of the basic ideals of Christianity, because I think a few of them (indirectly) result in a happier life/relationship. One of them being no sex before marriage. And bring on the dumb ratings, because I know FP is crowded with militant atheist assholes.

50 bucks says category 5 shitstorm before page 10

I'm stoned.

[QUOTE=**Chris**;26546808]One of them being no sex before marriage.[/QUOTE] Explain how that makes you happier. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;26546426]Yet another thread made to feel more secure about your choice. I thought atheism stood for not believing in something. Not "hay let's make a thread every 2 minutes bitching about religion" How pretentious.[/QUOTE] To be honest, religion threads are entertaining, and don't hold on to that "security" idea you have deluded yourself into believing in; it's not true and it makes you seem like you've made it up as a way to cope with criticism of your religion.

C'mon guys, let's not fight, religious or not we're still human beings

[QUOTE=Chrille;26549043]Explain how that makes you happier.[/quote] The relationship focuses much more on compatibility and emotional love for each other; deeper things like that should come first and establish themselves as pillars in a relationship before "fun" things like sex. I think it's a big part of why there is such a huge divorce rate now...among other things.

[QUOTE=**Chris**;26549349]I think it's a big part of why there is such a huge divorce rate now[/QUOTE] There's a high divorce rate now because people CAN get divorced.

[QUOTE=**Chris**;26549349]The relationship focuses much more on compatibility and emotional love for each other; deeper things like that should come first and establish themselves as pillars in a relationship before "fun" things like sex. I think it's a big part of why there is such a huge divorce rate now...among other things.[/QUOTE] Did you know that sex is what drives people towards relationships? And that you don't have to be married to be happy? And that the huge rise in divorces rates are more likely linked to women's liberation and a lesser focus on traditional values in society? If it works for you then that's great, but it isn't the universal formula for a happy relationship.

[QUOTE=Chrille;26549043]Explain how that makes you happier. To be honest, religion threads are entertaining, and don't hold on to that "security" idea you have deluded yourself into believing in; it's not true and it makes you seem like you've made it up as a way to cope with criticism of your religion.[/QUOTE] It's not an idea, it's basic psychology. It's human nature. Guy's insecure in his sexuality, hates homosexuals. Guy's insecure in his brand choice, hates on competitors. Guy's insecure in his religion (or lack thereof,) hates on others who are different. "Deluded." More like learned some common knowledge.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;26549643]It's not an idea, it's basic psychology. It's human nature. Guy's insecure in his sexuality, hates homosexuals. Guy's insecure in his brand choice, hates on competitors. Guy's insecure in his religion (or lack thereof,) hates on others who are different. "Deluded." More like learned some common knowledge.[/QUOTE] It's not like religion is something to be insecure about, it's whether you find it plausible if there's an invisible man in the sky or not. And I don't see how you [i]have[/i] to be insecure just because you don't like something. I don't like Al Qaeda; as a matter of fact, it really bothers me that they're around, does that mean I'm insecure about my views on religion and ideology? It seems more like human nature to hate something because it opposes your viewpoint, ensures survival to get rid of those who might be a threat to you. edit: Tell me why I'm wrong, I'll gladly accept that I am, I just don't find what you're saying logical.

Hurr durr I'm on facepunch so I must hate jesus to be cool

[QUOTE=Shustriy;26544914]Some people take the Bible way too literally, making it seem horrible. The bible is a book of metaphors with many meanings[/QUOTE] [quote=The Book of Fucking Derp]20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you. 22 If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. 23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you. 25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.[/quote] I don't get how you could take that any other way... And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I have no respect for the religion of Christianity. "Oh but Fycix, you have to respect their beliefs" No, I don't, their beliefs support the murder of raped women that have done nothing wrong. They are terrible, immoral beliefs.

My main issue with christianity, in fact most Abrahimic religions, is their treatment of sex. They see it as this dirty, necessary but not great factor of life, and it's basically shaped out prudishness as western civilisation in general. I mean, all the pagan fertility gods were classed as lustful demons when Christianity annexed the pagan land.

[QUOTE=Chrille;26549911]It's not like religion is something to be insecure about, it's whether you find it plausible if there's an invisible man in the sky or not. And I don't see how you [i]have[/i] to be insecure just because you don't like something. I don't like Al Qaeda; as a matter of fact, it really bothers me that they're around, does that mean I'm insecure about my views on religion and ideology? It seems more like human nature to hate something because it opposes your viewpoint, ensures survival to get rid of those who might be a threat to you. edit: Tell me why I'm wrong, I'll gladly accept that I am, I just don't find what you're saying logical.[/QUOTE] My argument wasn't that to hate something, you had to be insecure about it. It was that if you're insecure about something, you'll hate it. You put it in terms like "invisible man in the sky." It's a pretty selfish way to look at it. There's a lot that humans do not know, and a lot that is beyond our comprehension. But I'm getting into a religion argument so let's backtrack. You're wrong because as history and, indeed, common knowledge and psychology have continually proven through the years that anything that is controversial and threatening will brew up a shitstorm. Look at Apple, for instance. Seems everyone here hates it, and you cannot make a cellphone thread without somebody saying something negative about the iPhone. Look at MW2, for instance. Seems everyone here also really hates it (or perhaps a vocal minority?) and you cannot make a thread about a modern war game without somebody saying negative about MW2. Religion is a much larger subject, however, and instead of people shitstorming threads, they generally shitstorm the forum by making countless "religion hurr" threads. Truth is, if you were comfortable in your choice, if you had 100% confidence that there is no God and 0% certainty that there might be a possibility of the existence of God, you wouldn't see this many threads pop up. It would be an idea long forgotten.

That shit's old testament.

I know 2 girls that were raped/sexually abused and they are comeplete whores and fucking trash. So therefore after a girl has been 'had' then she is useless anyways. Unless you love sluts that are emotionally scared. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] And also OP you are fucking stupid because that's the old testament. Only Jews really use those laws.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550285]My argument wasn't that to hate something, you had to be insecure about it. It was that if you're insecure about something, you'll hate it. You put it in terms like "invisible man in the sky." It's a pretty selfish way to look it. There's a lot that humans do not know, and a lot that is beyond our comprehension.[/QUOTE] Well, my stance on it is very simple: There's no reason to believe in God, just like there's no reason to believe that I have a magic, talking pig. You can't disprove either, but there's no reason to believe them. The concept of God is also a giant paradox. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550285] Truth is, if you were comfortable in your choice, if you had 100% confidence that there is no God and 0% certainty that there might be a possibility of the existence of God, you wouldn't see this many threads pop up. It would be an idea long forgotten.[/QUOTE] Perhaps people hate it because it has so much influence? Or because there's a general tendency to think of someone are morons when they think differently than you? I can think of a hundred reasons other than insecurity. [QUOTE=AutoTurret;26550439]I know 2 girls that were raped/sexually abused and they are comeplete whores and fucking trash. So therefore after a girl has been 'had' then she is useless anyways. Unless you love sluts that are emotionally scared.[/QUOTE] So: Rape Victim = Slut? :downs:

[QUOTE=AutoTurret;26550439]I know 2 girls that were raped/sexually abused and they are comeplete whores and fucking trash. So therefore after a girl has been 'had' then she is useless anyways. Unless you love sluts that are emotionally scared. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] And also OP you are fucking stupid because that's the old testament. Only Jews really use those laws.[/QUOTE] I agree completely, those laws are complete nonsense now.

[QUOTE=Chrille;26550499]Well, my stance on it is very simple: There's no reason to believe in God, just like there's no reason to believe that I have a magic, talking pig. You can't disprove either, but there's no reason to believe them. The concept of God is also a giant paradox.[/quote] There's more proof for the existence of God than for the non-existence of God. Over a billion people don't just suddently start believing in something from word of mouth. A major event had to have happened. There have been sightings of saints and other religious figures. Yeah it sounds ridiculous, but again like I said, as humans there is a lot we can't comprehend. On the other hand, not much proof for God's non-existence exists rather than the fact that it's a little absurd to think about it. That's why people believe. At the very least, a good chunk of them are just following along with Pascal's wager. [quote]Perhaps people hate it because it has so much influence? Or because there's a general tendency to think someone are morons when they think differently than you? I can think of a hundred reasons other than insecurity.[/QUOTE] So why is it so influential to them personally? Aside from the occasional knock on your door, which is annoying, what else is there to fuel the fire?

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550285]My argument wasn't that to hate something, you had to be insecure about it. It was that if you're insecure about something, you'll hate it. You put it in terms like "invisible man in the sky." It's a pretty selfish way to look at it. There's a lot that humans do not know, and a lot that is beyond our comprehension. But I'm getting into a religion argument so let's backtrack. You're wrong because as history and, indeed, common knowledge and psychology have continually proven through the years that anything that is controversial and threatening will brew up a shitstorm. Look at Apple, for instance. Seems everyone here hates it, and you cannot make a cellphone thread without somebody saying something negative about the iPhone. Look at MW2, for instance. Seems everyone here also really hates it (or perhaps a vocal minority?) and you cannot make a thread about a modern war game without somebody saying negative about MW2. Religion is a much larger subject, however, and instead of people shitstorming threads, they generally shitstorm the forum by making countless "religion hurr" threads. Truth is, if you were comfortable in your choice, if you had 100% confidence that there is no God and 0% certainty that there might be a possibility of the existence of God, you wouldn't see this many threads pop up. It would be an idea long forgotten.[/QUOTE] religion and mw2 both come on up facepunch in their related threads. this is no way to judge their global importance. religion has lead to, wars, deaths, and a metric shitton of other worldly conflicts. mw2 has led to some fpers getting butthurt. they both come up in their respective discussions and the fact that you think that that makes them equatable is absurd.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;26550628]religion and mw2 both come on up facepunch in their related threads. this is no way to judge their global importance. religion has lead to, wars, deaths, and a metric shitton of other worldly conflicts. mw2 has led to some fpers getting butthurt. they both come up in their respective discussions and the fact that you think that that makes them equatable is absurd.[/QUOTE] Wars pop up anyway, and the worst ones thus far haven't been related to religion. My way of thinking is: if a lot of wars happen for a lot of different reasons, there are bound to be some that are based around differing religious beliefs. Well, how about the world wars? Or the bomb dropped on Hiroshima? Of course, people nitpick and search through the different wars to find one based on religion and endlessly use it as an instrument in their argument. Most wars are not based around religion. On the other hand I'm not going to ignore that religious wars do exist. These wars are fought by people who hugely misunderstand religion. Christianity is not about conflict, but about loving everyone, even your enemies, to the fullest extent. Don't listen to the bullshit the Pope says, by the way. It in no way represents Christianity, nor do the actions of Catholic extremists.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550623]There's more proof for the existence of God than for the non-existence of God. Over a billion people don't just suddently start believing in something from word of mouth. A major event had to have happened. On the other hand, not much proof for God's non-existence exists rather than the fact that it's a little absurd to think about it. That's why people believe. At the very least, a good chunk of them are just following along with Pascal's wager. [b]people will believe something that isn't true and isn't verifiable. there wasn't a billion people when religion first entered the scene. a major event would not have to happen for people to become superstitious. superstitious people obviously do not have a high standard of evidence and thus would believe a large organized group who comes through waving their religion about (see: the religious missions in the new world). you cannot prove a negative. it is simply impossible. pascals wager has been debunked many times before. if you want me to prove god illogical just ask.[/b] So why is it so influential to them personally? Aside from the occasional knock on your door, which is annoying, what else is there to fuel the fire? [b]sharia law, religiously motivated acts, lack of rationality, cause of social marginality in society. further more, brainwashing people into believing things, giving credence and support to people who otherwise wouldn't have it, and giving those people way to be self righteous.[/b] [/QUOTE] [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550726]Wars pop up anyway, and the worst ones thus far haven't been related to religion. My way of thinking is: if a lot of wars happen for a lot of different reasons, there are bound to be some that are based around differing religious beliefs. Well, how about the world wars? Or the bomb dropped on Hiroshima? Of course, people nitpick and search through the different wars to find one based on religion and endlessly use it as an instrument in their argument. Most wars are not based around religion. On the other hand I'm not going to ignore that religious wars do exist. These wars are fought by people who hugely misunderstand religion. Christianity is not about conflict, but about loving everyone, even your enemies, to the fullest extent. Don't listen to the bullshit the Pope says, by the way. It in no way represents Christianity, nor do the actions of Catholic extremists.[/QUOTE] no true scotsman much

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550623]There's more proof for the existence of God than for the non-existence of God. Over a billion people don't just suddently start believing in something from word of mouth. A major event had to have happened. On the other hand, not much proof for God's non-existence exists rather than the fact that it's a little absurd to think about it. That's why people believe. At the very least, a good chunk of them are just following along with Pascal's wager.[/QUOTE] Tradition is the main factor. You can't erase something so ingrained in human history, and religion makes more sense to have come from people who understood little about the world. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550623] So why is it so influential to them personally? Aside from the occasional knock on your door, which is annoying, what else is there to fuel the fire?[/QUOTE] Religion plays a pretty big role in the world today. And I believe that many people from more religious countries than mine have perhaps had trouble in their childhood or teenage years because of it.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;26550745][editline]7th December 2010[/editline] no true scotsman much[/QUOTE] Now you're just throwing me into a corner with terms like "brainwashing," "illogical," and "superstitious." It's clear that you simply don't respect ideas differing from yours. Your argument is based around the idea that it's all superstitious and brainwashing and mindless. Insulting differing ideas doesn't make an argument. Sorry, but I'm not going to argue with you if you won't offer some good premises.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;26543965]2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version, ©2010) 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,[/QUOTE] This is just another example of god playing with us. Trust me. I know which lines are true. God told me. When I prayed.

imagine if we lived in a society where stoning people was still normal and people were still christan/cathloic. we could be having the an argument where you'd be saying that stoning people is okay because it says it in the bible and i would say that it also says to love your neighbor and you would dismiss that because not everyone does that.