Think the Bible's rape laws were too confusing? Don't worry, there's a flowchart now! - General

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550623]There's more proof for the existence of God than for the non-existence of God. Over a billion people don't just suddently start believing in something from word of mouth. A major event had to have happened. There have been sightings of saints and other religious figures. Yeah it sounds ridiculous, but again like I said, as humans there is a lot we can't comprehend. On the other hand, not much proof for God's non-existence exists rather than the fact that it's a little absurd to think about it. That's why people believe. At the very least, a good chunk of them are just following along with Pascal's wager. So why is it so influential to them personally? Aside from the occasional knock on your door, which is annoying, what else is there to fuel the fire?[/QUOTE] Are you seriously using Argumentum ad populum as proof for the existence of god? Really the strongest stance that you can logically take in favor of religion is that there is equal proof for gods existence and non existence considering that he's supposedly beyond the comprehension of our material minds.

I don't understand, can I just rape someone in a city and then marry me with my victim?

[QUOTE=Chrille;26550791]Tradition is the main factor. You can't erase something so ingrained in human history, and religion makes more sense to have come from people who understood little about the world.[/quote] Tradition is why certain events are remembered two thousand years later. While you make a good point, you still didn't take into account all the things that happen nowadays that are deemed miracles, like sightings. It's easy to brush the topic aside because of not having seen it yourself, but, again, the whole conflict of religion comes into clear view as nothing can be proven. I suppose that's what faith is: believing in what cannot be directly proven. Anyway, this is pointless. Most of you will just call me an idiot for believing in something that cannot be proven, life goes on.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550815]Now you're just throwing me into a corner with terms like "brainwashing," "illogical," and "superstitious." It's clear that you simply don't respect ideas differing from yours. Your argument is based around the idea that it's all superstitious and brainwashing and mindless. Insulting differing ideas doesn't make an argument. Sorry, but I'm not going to argue with you if you won't offer some good premises.[/QUOTE] Well to be honest, a lot of organised religion is brainwashing. Memetics I believe it is called, where if a mind (especially a young one) is exposed to frequent repetitive phrases (or memes) then those phrases and their meanings will become more and more believable to the mind. And through prayer, hymns, and other religious rituals, such memes are formed.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;26550815]Now you're just throwing me into a corner with terms like "brainwashing," "illogical," and "superstitious." It's clear that you simply don't respect ideas differing from yours. Your argument is based around the idea that it's all superstitious and brainwashing and mindless. Insulting differing ideas doesn't make an argument. Sorry, but I'm not going to argue with you if you won't offer some good premises.[/QUOTE] im sorry for using big words. that said, i am simply stating truths. catholics indoctrinate their children into their faith from birth. they go to a school that teaches them about their religion and why it is correct. if this isn't brainwashing then i dont know what is. [img]http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4751/ss20101207164905.png[/img] a belief or noting not based on reason is exactly what believing in god is. belief in god is illogical (if you want me to prove it just ask...) therefore superstitious. blindly accepted also works. i never used the word mindless but good try at putting words in my mouth.

I'm don't study that though, so I'm not entirely 100% on it ninjas all up in here

[QUOTE=Chrille;26550499] So: Rape Victim = Slut? :downs:[/QUOTE] Exactly

[QUOTE=Melkor;26550851]Are you seriously using Argumentum ad populum as an argument for proof of the existence of god? Really the [b]strongest stance that you can logically take in favor of religion is that there is equal proof for gods existence and non existence[/b] considering that he's supposedly beyond the comprehension of our material minds.[/QUOTE] [b]prepositions:[/b] logic is a science if something is unfalsifiable it is not scientific god is unfalsifiable [b]conclusion:[/b] god is unscientific and therefore illogical. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] i don't really see how i could be wrong, you'd have to either argue the definition of science, change the scientific method or give me something that would show me how to prove a negative.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;26550992][b]prepositions:[/b] logic is a science if something is unfalsifiable it is not scientific god is unfalsifiable [b]conclusion:[/b] god is unscientific and therefore illogical. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] i don't really see how i could be wrong, you'd have to either argue the definition of science, change the scientific method or give me something that would show me how to prove a negative.[/QUOTE] Science does not argue that the unfalsifiable is automatically untrue, only that it cannot be tested and therefore is not treated as fact. I was not arguing in favor of religion, only that the unfalsifiable nature of religion was not proof in itself of gods non existence. I was arguing that agnosticism being the strongest possible stance you could take in religions favor.

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[QUOTE=Melkor;26551230][b]Science does not argue that the unfalsifiable is automatically untrue[/b], only that it cannot be tested and therefore is not treated as fact. I was not arguing in favor of religion, only that the unfalsifiable nature of religion was not proof in itself of gods non existence. I was arguing in favor of agnosticism being the strongest possible stance you could take in religions favor.[/QUOTE] i never said it was untrue. i only said it was illogical.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;26551311]i never said it was untrue. i only said it was illogical.[/QUOTE] Taking a Religion to be automatically true is illogical. Advocating agnosticism is not.

[quote=Wikipedia][b]Falsifiability, particularly testability, is an important concept in science and the philosophy of science. The concept was made popular by Karl Popper in his philosophical analysis of the scientific method. Popper concluded that a hypothesis, proposition, or theory is "scientific" only if it is, among other things, falsifiable.[/b] That is, falsifiability is a necessary (but not sufficient) criterion for scientific ideas. Popper asserted that unfalsifiable statements are non-scientific, although not without relevance. [i]For example, meta-physical or religious propositions have cultural or spiritual meaning, and the ancient metaphysical and unfalsifiable idea of the existence of atoms has led to corresponding falsifiable modern theories. A falsifiable theory that has withstood severe scientific testing is said to be corroborated by past experience, though in Popper's view this is not equivalent with confirmation and does not guarantee that the theory is true or even partially true.[/i][/quote] in reference to the italicized portion, i just want to clarify that just because something has led to a falsifiable hypothesis, does not make it in anyway exempt from being illogical. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Melkor;26551335]Taking a Religion to be automatically true is illogical. Advocating agnosticism is not.[/QUOTE] read what you broke my automerge for. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] :argh:

Hey Garry was just reading this. Anyway, why does anyone on Facepunch care what you believe? Christian? No one cares. Muslim? Shit given = 0 Athiest? "And on that day, not a single fuck was given." Grow up.

[QUOTE=claythepro;26551396]Hey Garry was just reading this. Anyway, why does anyone on Facepunch care what you believe? Christian? No one cares. Muslim? Shit given = 0 Athiest? "And on that day, not a single fuck was given." Grow up.[/QUOTE] obviously people do care what others believe because we're having a thread about it. ive never understood the person who runs into a thread just to scream to the world that they don't give a fuck about the topic. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Melkor;26551335]Taking a Religion to be automatically true is illogical. Advocating agnosticism is not.[/QUOTE] also you can be an agnostic atheist.

Hang on I'm pretty sure if you cry for help in a city then you OK

Does this flowchart apply to young boys?

[QUOTE=Hana-San;26544651]None of the disciples actually wrote any of the official bible chapters. As they were all dead when they were written.[/QUOTE] you are stupid [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Kybalt;26550911]im sorry for using big words. that said, i am simply stating truths. catholics indoctrinate their children into their faith from birth. they go to a school that teaches them about their religion and why it is correct. if this isn't brainwashing then i dont know what is.[/QUOTE] because catholicism = christianity right

Long story short, if you get raped, you're fucked

[QUOTE=AutoTurret;26550439]I know 2 girls that were raped/sexually abused and they are comeplete whores and fucking trash. So therefore after a girl has been 'had' then she is useless anyways. Unless you love sluts that are emotionally scared. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] And also OP you are fucking stupid because that's the old testament. Only Jews really use those laws.[/QUOTE] My word. What a horrible post!

[QUOTE=claythepro;26551396]Hey Garry was just reading this. Anyway, why does anyone on Facepunch care what you believe? Christian? No one cares. Muslim? Shit given = 0 Athiest? "And on that day, not a single fuck was given." Grow up.[/QUOTE] If this was about how the kkk though all blacks should burn and practice there beliefs would you still say you should not care for other peoples beliefs? [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=AutoTurret;26550439]I know 2 girls that were raped/sexually abused and they are comeplete whores and fucking trash. So therefore after a girl has been 'had' then she is useless anyways. Unless you love sluts that are emotionally scared. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] And also OP you are fucking stupid because that's the old testament. Only Jews really use those laws.[/QUOTE] are you trying to say that all rape victims are whores? because if not that is kind of a useless post

[QUOTE=booster;26546088]It's kinda funny how Christians ignore like half of the bible.[/QUOTE] It's like they choose what parts of the bible they want to believe.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;26550911]catholics indoctrinate their children into their faith from birth. they go to a school that teaches them about their religion and why it is correct. if this isn't brainwashing then i dont know what is. .[/QUOTE] Because every Catholic is a fundie good job on assumptions. -confusing buddha with jesus snip-

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;26544267]i'm not a Christian, i'm just saying if you believe in the bible 100% like a good Christian you take it as the word of god, so the old testament still counts[/QUOTE] The New Testament slightly "overrides" the Old Testament; when God gave His only Son, Jesus, that forgave us of our sins. Thus, making it easier to be forgiven. Deuteronomy is one of the Books of Law, yes. But as I said, when Jesus was sacrificed, it opened doors so that we didn't have to go through all the "rituals" to be forgiven - sacrificing animals, being defiled until evening. Yes, the Old Testament still counts. But the sacrificial laws are mainly completely gone, as is stoning, as are alot of other laws. Jesus got rid of nearly all of those laws by forgiving us our sins on the cross. [QUOTE=zombiefreak;26557139]Because every Catholic is a fundie good job on assumptions. [editline]7th December 2010[/editline] Leviticus and some other parts of the bible go against the word of jesus christ. The problem with the bible is that jesus never wrote down anything, so a bunch of people like 100 years after his death they wrote the bible, without any sort of historical reference. So far what we know the bible could be and is most likely not the word of jesus christ, and therefore god.[/QUOTE] Jesus Himself never wrote anything, but all of His disciples wrote things down after His death or before His death. But yes, in Matthew, it is recorded the things He said. Also, "100 years"; no. Anything to do with forgiveness has changed in the New Testament, because Jesus died for our sins. Also, the Old Testament, especially Leviticus and Numbers, are direct words of God, as Moses recorded them. I just wish people would at LEAST understand what they are saying before they say it. Some of the posts here are not even true, yet stated as if everything in them is pure fact. Lastly, the Bible never goes against itself. Like I said before, Jesus forgave us of our sins so we didn't have to jump through loops to be forgiven like before. Edit: Religion things are bad because we need to talk things out in person, it's easier to explain in person and just takes too long with too many interruptions in these kinds of threads. People who think they are 100% right or 100% wrong always mess it up. Just saying. Edit edit: You can't blame the mistakes of individuals on a whole group. Example: Do you blame modern-day Germans for the Holocaust? No, not logically you don't; they had nothing to do with it. Same with the Westboro Baptist Church - they took one verse of the Bible and based their whole religion around it. Especially the fact they flatly ignore the whole New Testament and Jesus. They assume that gays will go to hell just because they are gay. They CAN be forgiven because of Jesus.

[url]http://www.facingthechallenge.org/gospels.php[/url] Jesus' disciples didn't write the gospels that their names are associated with.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;26543951]God please forgive me for something I was unable to control and could not resist "[B]FUCK THAT[/B]"[/QUOTE] In other words, God has tourettes. :smug:

[QUOTE=ineedateam1;26543129]Ima make a new NEW testament then[/QUOTE] Already did...

[QUOTE=AutoTurret;26550987]Exactly[/QUOTE] What if she was dressed in a barrel, and her face was all cut up and covered in shit, but a guy who just so happened to walk by has some fucked up fetishes and rapes her? Does that still count as being her fault by dressing provocatively?

[QUOTE=FancyCheese;26559575]What if she was dressed in a barrel, and her face was all cut up and covered in shit, but a guy who just so happened to walk by has some fucked up fetishes and rapes her? Does that still count as being her fault by dressing provocatively?[/QUOTE] Isn't "lust" one of those seven deadly sins? Isn't the act of rape itself considered sin since you are harming a person purely for sexual gratification? Oh wait, silly me, women aren't people.

This is a good example of why I hate religion.