[QUOTE=SomTervo;30185401]Because Dogs are fucking dogs, they are not even close to being on the same plane as humans.[/QUOTE]
Why's that?
that being said I guess I'm kind of up in the air about Euthanasia, I think Doctors should be for helping people and just for that, but if there's a hundred percent chance of death then it's alright in my book. If it's anything less, it's no good.
[editline]1st June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;30185419]Why's that?[/QUOTE]
try to have a conversation with a dog
you can't because they're slobbering morons who don't have thoughts ideas emotions or morals anywhere near the quality of that of a human. they're cute as shit but I'd rather every single dog in the world died if it meant saving just one person.
Try having a conversation with a profoundly mentally handicapped individual, are you going to be able to communicate with them? Dogs lack the physical ability to speak, intelligence isn't determined by the ability to communicate. Hawking is considered one of the most intelligent humans, but lacks the ability to speak unassisted.
Then you're saying that morality, emotions, and morals are what gives value to a life? Counterexample - Autism, anti-social personality disorder
Everyone should have enough control over their own lives to choose when to end it and how painlessly to do it.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;30185471]Try having a conversation with a profoundly mentally handicapped individual, are you going to be able to communicate with them? Dogs lack the physical ability to speak, intelligence isn't determined by the ability to communicate. Hawking is considered one of the most intelligent humans, but lacks the ability to speak unassisted.[/QUOTE]
It's not about speech it's about thought and understanding. Hawking is brilliant, and he would be even if there wasn't the technology to assist him. Personally I only know one person with autism and I can still (and often enjoy to) communicate with them. I don't know too much about mental handicaps so I can't speak too much on people beyond that, you have a good point there.
I cannot comprehend how one could want to end his/her own existence (except of course if it was to spare yourself from a painful death or something).
[QUOTE=SomTervo;30185431]
try to have a conversation with a dog
you can't because they're slobbering morons who don't have thoughts ideas emotions or morals anywhere near the quality of that of a human. they're cute as shit but I'd rather every single dog in the world died if it meant saving just one person.[/QUOTE]
So you did the research? Please show me.
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[QUOTE=Chrille;30185592]I cannot comprehend how one could want to end his/her own existence (except of course if it was to spare yourself from a painful death or something).[/QUOTE]
Imagine yourself sitting in a chair with only the ability to move your eyes.
Then imagine sitting there for 30 years.
Fun isn't it?
you should be able to end your life if you wish
[QUOTE=SomTervo;30185431]
[editline]1st June 2011[/editline]
try to have a conversation with a dog
you can't because they're slobbering morons who don't have thoughts ideas emotions or morals anywhere near the quality of that of a human. they're cute as shit but I'd rather every single dog in the world died if it meant saving just one person.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/DyeHard/dog-smile-animals-show-emotions/story?id=10618929]Right, because there's no research at all that proves that you're talking out of your ass.[/url]
Kind of like other people said I'm okay with it if they're terminally ill or something but if they're just depressed then I don't think they should be able to.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;30185739]Kind of like other people said I'm okay with it if they're terminally ill or something but if they're just depressed then I don't think they should be able to.[/QUOTE]
Even if they are depressed and regularly refuse counseling, they still have the right a dignified, painless death. What gives you the right to say what someone could and could not do with their own life?
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30185776]Even if they are depressed and regularly refuse counseling, they still have the right a dignified, painless death. What gives you the right to say what someone could and could not do with their own life?[/QUOTE]
what I think is that if a person is going through depression, they're not emotionally sound enough to make a decision as big as ending their own life
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;30185659]Imagine yourself sitting in a chair with only the ability to move your eyes.
Then imagine sitting there for 30 years.
Fun isn't it?[/QUOTE]
Good example. Still, suicides are being committed for far less drastic reasons.
I'm not against euthanasia, I just wonder how so many people find motivation to kill themselves.
I know suicide is not [i]entirely[/i] relevant, but eh, just wondering aloud.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30185716][url=http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/DyeHard/dog-smile-animals-show-emotions/story?id=10618929]Right, because there's no research at all that proves that you're talking out of your ass.[/url][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/emotionaldog.htm[/url]
this is honestly the first result for "dog emotions" on google.
even if they have emotions, they are not the same level as those of humans
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30185776]Even if they are depressed and regularly refuse counseling, they still have the right a dignified, painless death. What gives you the right to say what someone could and could not do with their own life?[/QUOTE]
People in bad situations who become depressed and hopeless can't think clearly about how they could better themselves and improve their lives. Instead of just given the OK to kill themselves they should be counseled and get help for themselves.
You're not doing anyone any favors by letting them kill themselves when there's plenty of potential to help them create a happy and fulfilling life for themselves.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30185776]Even if they are depressed and regularly refuse counseling, they still have the right a dignified, painless death. What gives you the right to say what someone could and could not do with their own life?[/QUOTE]
But think about it.
A depressed individual could cure his depression if he would just commit to the program he's given. Why should we euthanise a individual who might just be able to become a good member to the society at some point?
Also, if there was afterlife and we could go question some people that did a suicide due to depression or something similar I would bet that most of them would say that it was a mistake. This is of course just speculation.
[QUOTE=SomTervo;30185872][url]http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/emotionaldog.htm[/url]
this is honestly the first result for "dog emotions" on google.
even if they have emotions, they are not the same level as those of humans[/QUOTE]
Define the level of a human's love.
human's are the worst things ever, we've ended more lives than the deadliest of creatures. We kill things not because we have to, but because we can. we kill people for disagreeing with us. When was the last time you saw a dog come home from work and beat the shit out of his wife for not making dinner?
[QUOTE=SomTervo;30185872][url]http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/emotionaldog.htm[/url]
this is honestly the first result for "dog emotions" on google.
even if they have emotions, they are not the same level as those of humans[/QUOTE]
How do you know? Are you a dog?
[QUOTE=The BoxDog;30185975]Define the level of a human's love.
human's are the worst things ever, we've ended more lives than the deadliest of creatures. We kill things not because we have to, but because we can. we kill people for disagreeing with us. When was the last time you saw a dog come home from work and beat the shit out of his wife for not making dinner?[/QUOTE]
Dogs kill other dogs for no reason all the time what are you on about?
[editline]1st June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;30186009]How do you know? Are you a dog?[/QUOTE]
Dogs have emotions but they're not nearly as complex as ours
[QUOTE=The BoxDog;30185975]Define the level of a human's love.
human's are the worst things ever[/QUOTE]
no they're not no they're not
[quote]we've ended more lives than the deadliest of creatures. We kill things not because we have to, but because we can. we kill people for disagreeing with us. When was the last time you saw a dog come home from work and beat the shit out of his wife for not making dinner?[/quote]
yeah domesticated dogs are nice and all but you want to know why domesticated dogs are nice? because we domesticated them.
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[QUOTE=Hullu V3;30186009]How do you know? Are you a dog?[/QUOTE]
that goes both ways, you know that right?
Simple answer: Nothing should be illegal. Fuck rules I'm a human I do what I want thank you very much.
[QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;30179718]You'd need to factor in the whole 'Sanctity of life' argument and that god should be the one to decide.[/QUOTE]
if you think your god doesn't want you to die, don't kill yourself
don't force your asinine ideas on the rest of the population
[QUOTE=rukiddingme;30186072]Simple answer: Nothing should be illegal. Fuck rules I'm a human I do what I want thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
If everyone thought like that we'd still be cavemen
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;30186017]Dogs kill other dogs for no reason all the time what are you on about[/QUOTE]
Dogs rarely attack other dogs for no reason. Usually it just a matter of "back off from my territory", but it's really rare that they kill eachother just because they felt like it. Unless they have some mental problems of course or they've been abused and mistreated.
But that applies to humans too as much as dogs.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;30186085]if you think your god doesn't want you to die, don't kill yourself
don't force your asinine ideas on the rest of the population[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that he's saying that's what other people will say and that's why it won't be legalized, but don't take my word
[QUOTE=rukiddingme;30186072]Simple answer: Nothing should be illegal. Fuck rules I'm a human I do what I want thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
wow first time I've seen someone say they want murder, rape, and assault legal
It should be legal, but with a lot of precautions, obviously
[QUOTE=rukiddingme;30186072]Simple answer: Nothing should be illegal. Fuck rules I'm a human I do what I want thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
In that case I'll come and kill you. Why? Because I can.
Obviously for this to not be abused the patient has to go on record to say they want this done, the doctor shouldn't be able to euthanize anyone without a psychological test and their permission on paper record.
Interesting documentary about this topic, "You Don't Know Jack".
[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;30186185]Obviously for this to not be abused the patient has to go on record to say they want this done, the doctor shouldn't be able to euthanize anyone without a psychological test and their permission on paper record.
Interesting documentary about this topic, "You Don't Know Jack".[/QUOTE]
Of course they should check that if the person is in a state that he can make rational decision. ie. not on heavy medication or something similar.
[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;30186185]
Interesting documentary about this topic, "You Don't Know Jack".[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's a really good film, Al Pacino is fantastic in it and the movie never portrays Jack in a negative or positive light, just lets the viewer decide for themselves.
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